pathogens and MS

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I would not avoid sun based on this one person's opinion. I would just note

it and continue on with what you are doing. It doesn't make sense to avoid

the sun to me. I just read these hypothesis and see if there are any

commonalities and no I wont' be a test subject since I live in Canada.

We just had a little meeting of our alternative therapies group here and

there was a fellow present who started talking about enemas/colonics etc. I

told him the story about Janie and the Gerson therapy and one of the keys to

the therapy is coffee enemas. This fellow has had ms for 20 years or so and

walks with a cane. Anyway, he claimed that it was the coffee enemas that

stopped his attacks (along with a few other minor things) about 10-15 years

ago. Personally I feel that it is my liver that is holding all the

copper/mercury and is the cause of my fatigue. I was reluctant to do the

coffee enema thing but have read so much and now have a first hand account

of how useful it is that I can't avoid it.

ne

Re: pathogens and ms

Hi ne. Thanks for posting this. As you may remember, I also have

high levels of metals, particularly mercury and copper (also lead and

cadmium). I follow some of this protocol already, but learned some new

things to try. It's a bit confusing (and long) and I need to read it again.

I can't always tell by this what is recomended by others and what is

suggested in this study. I was surprised to see that sunlight isn't

recommended. It goes against most things I've read on the subject. Since

it's hard for me to get much sun, I'm relieved that this is the finding in

this study (particularly if it's true). Are you going to become a test

subject?

ne

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>>There is plenty of evidence that people with ms get better from taking

colloidal silver, antibiotics etc. or those treatments for lyme - all are

treatments for pathogens of some sort. Sorry for the length of the article.

>>ne

Hi Suzanne,

Many years ago, I was tested by Dr. Lindner's lab, and tested positive for this

" bacteria " . At that time, he wasn't really saying to avoid antibiotics. This

latest article that was posted was very disturbing to me because I tested

positive for Lyme as well, and very reluctantly started antibiotics! My

Naturopath and Lyme Physician want me to do IV antibiotics because they say it

is the only treatment for late stage neurological Lyme. I was already torn

about what to do, but this info has made it ten times worse! I don't know what

I'm treating anymore, it's become very confusing for me. I'm copying it and

showing it to my doctors.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi !

In treating your Lyme disease, you might consider taking colloidal

silver as an alternative to IV antibiotics. Here are two sites that you

may find helpful:

http://www.silverbulletgold.com/about.htm

and

http://www.webspawner.com/users/colloidalminerals/index.html

All the best,

Dudley Delany

http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany

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not sure if you saw the posting a couple of weeks ago that I submitted from

a women who " cured " herself of lyme - here it is again. It is from the

sulfur stories listserv. It is a bit rambling but try to follow it as she

really knows what she writes about. Hope it is of use.

ne

I have Lyme Disease although it's been a while since I have had a Lyme

western blott and do not remember all of the significant bands. 41 band by

itself

is not significant to most docs because it can cross react with other

infestions.. However, 41 band is usually considered significant in the

presence of

other positive bands. I am not sure about the other bands you listed off

the

top of my head, but if you are concerned, you might want to search under

Dr.

Burrascano, who is my Lyme doc and is quite a famous lyme doc with a lot of

info on the web. Unfortunately, undiagnozed systemic lyme can often mean

years

of antibiotics, which would be vary probelmatic in a child with

developmental

problems/metabolic issues. Years of antibotic treatment left me disabled

although it initially helped me to go from a 6-month bedridden state to mild

degree of functioning before hitting rock bottom again a few years later. I

had

better successs using complementary therapy (Although the years of

antibiotic

therapy may have SIGNIFICATLY reduced my bacterial load). A very promicing

natural treatment for Lyme was developed by a very well-known Chinese

doctor

in New York named Dr. Zhang (search under the internet under " zhang and

lyme

and herbs " . His herbal protocal was developed and based on centuries of

chinese herbal therapy to treat syphalus, which is in the same bacterial

family

as Lyme. Both are spiorchete infections. He offers four different herbal

formulas and suggest that a patient take two at a time for 6 months,

reccommendeing that one of those be his allicin formula which crosses the

blood brain

barrier and is used in china to treat nuerological infections (allicin may

be

probelmatic for those with sulfur tolerance issues- his allicin is so

concentrated it is about 60 times stronger than any allicin capsules sold in

the

states- he even makes it is a liquid vial formula for AIDS patients and is

used

intravenously in china). I took his protocal for 6 months and no longer

tested

positive for Lyme by PCR at the end of those 6 months. I also took his

protocal for babesia, a lyme co-infections. OTher lyme patients and

physicians ahve

had successs with samento. Do a serach on the internet under " semento and

lyme " . Allergy Research had a huge article on this in one of its recent

newsletter over the past year. Lyme is also very heat sensitive and many

have had

luck with treating it with a combination of sauna and an herb called teasle

(which causes the bod to create a slight fever to fight the Lyme). You can

serach under " teasle and Lyme " . Others have had successs taking homepathic

nosodes

combined with the homepathic formula ledum. You can also seach internet

under " ledum and lyme. " One way to tell whether lyme may or may not be an

issue

is to be allergy tested for LYme disease. Only a few allergists in the

country do this. Environmental Health CEnter in Dallas can. OBviously

before

pursuing these you want to confirm whether or not your son may have Lyme.

I

would see a physcian who is very familiar with treating LYme to determine

this.

Although many people promote the Bowen lab test (the allergy reasearch

article

talks about this) for determining lyme infections, I think more research is

needed and it seems to overdiagnoze the disease in my opinion.

pathogens and MS

Hi Suzanne,

Many years ago, I was tested by Dr. Lindner's lab, and tested positive for

this " bacteria " . At that time, he wasn't really saying to avoid

antibiotics. This latest article that was posted was very disturbing to me

because I tested positive for Lyme as well, and very reluctantly started

antibiotics! My Naturopath and Lyme Physician want me to do IV antibiotics

because they say it is the only treatment for late stage neurological Lyme.

I was already torn about what to do, but this info has made it ten times

worse! I don't know what I'm treating anymore, it's become very confusing

for me. I'm copying it and showing it to my doctors.

Thanks,