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Is it Isabelle I'm voting for? Christy and yes that'd be cool!

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we call it the present God bless and keep you.

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Hi,

I just entered my child in the " Parenting - Baby and Child Model Search

contest " and we need your vote to help us win!

You can view my entry and vote for me here:

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Thanks and wish me luck!

Wouldn't it be wonderful if a child with Mosaic Down Syndrome and Triple X

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please pass this on to your friends. I attached a copy of the photo I

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Sue

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Hi Kristy,

I was unable to open it up.  It said it was an attack on my PC 

 

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Unable to open it up.  It said it was an attack on my PC.

 

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....are you saying America is socialized? You don't see the consequence of communistic minded seekers who want a utopia without wealth (I didn't get that from your letter...but you were a bit all over the place with broad sweeping assumptions....I am seeking a smaller brush:)? Sorta like the mindset of OWS? What would you classify America as....and do think if OWS gets their way what will the repercussions be...i.e. If capitalists are regulated into sharing....more people receiving what they did not earn? Just trying to clarify...

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Subject:

Re: (unknown)

Sent:

Mon, Nov 28, 2011 9:51:49 PM

Hey Grace,

Don't be so upset here. As a matter of fact I just ran out to get the kids from school and while driving around I too Thought of China because they are a perfect example of what I'm getting at here... They used to be what we thought or knew to be a " Classic Communist " like country, although in reality the never really were.... A communist revolution is supposed to take control, perhaps temporarially have some form of authoritarian all controlling all knowing gov't while things sort themselves out, but always with the goal and understanding that pretty soon, and soon being the important operative word here it to return power to the people and have some form of a democratic gov't with free and honest open elections and the like. Now the people own and run things in the betterment, interest of the super majority and not for the greedy all consuming

few, ala 1%....

So China, the USSR, Cuba and so many others too, they never really did what they were supposed to do which was to take over, redistribute, and then once things calmed down (like a really long time ago already gone past) Like in the middle east today with the people's revolvutions and even hopefully in Iraq, (fingers crossed) turn things back over the some form of real and constituionally enforeable and protectable form of democracy.... Instead these folks got in power, and complete and total power corrupts completely (be in capitalist or totalitarian based greed and corruption) and they put in place many systems of fear and repression to keep the actual democratic forces and their constitutions from functioning and taking over as they were intended to do.... And much like ourselves, put a bunch of laws and other barriers in place to keep their basic One Party system

forever going forward.... Much as the two party system has done with rules, laws, ballot minimums and a ton of other, keep a third or even more parties out....

But clearly today China is NOT a Communist country what so ever... NO WAY.... They are some form of extremely over controlling, Totalitarian based gov't, that has dropped most of the social safety nets and social welfare programs, with MANY people falling in the cracks and being hurt and or abandoned because they have not spent a lifetime aquiring wealth nor the skills or name needed with which to do such either.... They are clearly some bizarre combination (like all western industrialism countries really are ala nce O'Donnell's Mixed Capitalism and Socialism Commentaries) of left over state owned and run parts with a quickly growing Capitalism... But it is almost like they are totalitarian and almost still socialism inside their own boundaries with their own people, while they play a very dirty and

unfair, selfish form of super free market capitalism on the open free markets of the world... Many of the largest corps are owned either in some joint venture between the private and the gov't or by the gov't themselves..... Goodness only knows who and what they really are...

And yet simply because the play this horribly unfair trade and super selfish form of capitalism (which IMHO I believe the other more democratic western capitalists are jealous of.... think about it) they are being embraced by our gov't with most favored nation trading status when in fact their Gov't side SUCKS at being nice or fair or democratic in a fashion no better or worse than many of the other countries in Africa and Aribic Nations we so readly condem and point fingers at..... We should be actually embargoing their abusive butts and cutting them off from the Western Democracies if and until they are willing to have REAL and Free Democratically held elections, free trademanism with real unions, and all the better trimmings of a middle class western power..... But of

course because Nike and tons of other companies love their slave labor and wages and working conditions and allow them to off shore our work and our American Dollars and avoid paying taxes on them too, our 1% bought and paid for politians are falling all over themselves to kiss up to them and allow " Business as Usual " with these International Criminals..... Then again in some embarressing ways so are we....

The prisons really are becoming an Industrialised Complex of sorts with more and more corporate contracts to own and run them for our gov'ts... And we do incarcerate way too many of our own citizens too, instead of showing them a legititmate path to success and out of their problems. In a sense we can look at our struggling and even acting out urban poor as the " Identified Patient " of our dysfunctional American Family Dynamics.... without hope there is no reason to tow the family line or act in the unspoken social norms of the family way of doing things... so instead they act out and rebel in their own " F U " kind of way to our family at large.... Education, real jobs, real freedom and real democracy for all, instead of creating corporate

slaves of even those that are smart and try to do the right thing with bad morgages and student debt that can not be paid off with a few years of good honest hard work.... One should not be a corporate bank slave for 10-20 years just to pay off the debt aquired while training for their job to be a good cog on the wheel of the greater system. That is just BULL and we in Medicine, especially Primary Care Medicine, should know this Best of All..... Better than almost any and all other American Citizens stuck in the same all too intentional trap....

In so many ways we have created various forms of corporate slavery be it doctors with insurance carriers, students with debt, blue collar workers and so many others.... and with it, actually probably as a reason to support and semi-permenental institutionalize things, we have created a good Number of related " Industrial Complexes " all fed off of the very working class and middle class supported taxes and gov't's teet's all the while their ownership and board members, corporate officers and other 1 to 5% er's all bitch and moan about the Welfare State when in fact they and their kind of the largest reciepiant of various forms of all too real Welfare and other handouts, be they properly labled and spoken about as such or

not.....

" Good Night and Good Luck "

( R. Morrow; Olberman)

To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:39 PMSubject: (unknown)

this certainly didnt sound right.all im saying is that we are lucky to live in this country ... ill be splitting peas and beans when someone talks about china or north korea. you (nor i) have no idea...again.. peacegrace> >> > Dear Pamela and the other awseome IMP Docs....> > > > Thanx much for your courage and rugged individualism! IMHO a fundmental aspect of americanism. As I've said, this also applies to board certification- ABMS should be boycotted! Why? I can give reasons....> > > > Re- Bank of Amerika... ditch BOA and other big banks ASAP- can credit unions help in this area???> > > > I love the Chinese quote!> > > > > > > > " The United States jails a larger percentage of its own citizens than any other country in the world, including those run by the worst totalitarian regimes.> > The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to

rule it. " > > > > - H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) American editor, essayist and philologist.> > > > > > > > zell, DO, MPH.> > 1061 Whispering Lakes Dr.> > Madison, GA 30650> > > > > > > > > >>

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Grace....I am with ya....I have lived in the UK....brought a husband back with me...he is a huge patriot who when visiting the UK lives in terror of becoming ill. Our daughter has cancer....we are at the prestigious Cleveland Clinic....mistakes galore....one in particular caused cancer to spread in my daughter's lymphs...and, yet....we could get free care in the UK..no thank you....a romantic...unrealistic notion.I believe America is exceptional....even with all it's warts.I agree 's posts are a bit long....sorry ...but you are certainly passionate:)

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Mon, Nov 28, 2011 10:24:05 PM

@alice.

to be honest with you though ive never met paul.. i usually read all of his posts but up to the second paragraph only, posts too long and i have ADD...

thanks for pointing that out.

since i was not born in this country, i only know, USofA is still the american dream for me... (medicare cuts aside - what would irk me most for cutbacks is the research now that US is going to have to sacrifice that the world has/had depended upon)

and thank you (as i do most of my patients) for shouldering 80% of the costs of each and every single pill you buy because 20% of the costs is at cost to each and every patient from a third world country.

all in love (getting tired of peas)

grace

[Guest guest]

I will take this to the next board meeting. The head of the board gets many

suggestions, and reads them all.

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[ ] On Behalf Of Bleiweiss

[hockeyref1@...]

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:45 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: (unknown)

1) Open the process up to all docs properly graduated in the specialty being

allowed to " Vote " for board members. Not think alikes for the most part

" recommending " their friend to a board position.

2) Open up the test design to a vote as well. New Portions and New Designs must

be voted upon, " ratified " like a union contract by a majority of those whose

degree are in that specialty, board certified or not. Perhaps like many here

they are not board certified because they actually have legitimate concerns and

gripes with the board and their test... Perhaps more docs would step up and do

it " Willingly " if only they felt heard and represented....

3) Create a public form like this and or the AC User board where docs and other

interested parties could discuss and debate any and all of these kinds of

issues, to make sure there is a good public forum to allow voices to be heard by

all including the board members. Board members who do not log on and engage a

certain amount, are potentially liable to expulsion for not " caring enough " to

get involved, no less share their personal ideas and perspective so those who

must vote can know who they are actually voting for....

4) Last but certainly not least, immediately release a joint statement to be

released in all 50 states and all major newspapers that all Medical Boards

resent and will resist and challenge ANY private 3rd party insurance carrier who

attempts to use their certification as a means of including or excluding any

doctor on their panels. And if they don't immediately cease any and all such

policies and their enforcement, they will have no choice but to take any and all

carriers to Federal Court for the Misuse and Abuse of the certification that is

theirs and only theirs to hand out and manage. It becomes a black eye on the

boards themselves if and when anybody or any entity besides the individual

patient use their " Stamp of Approval " as means to include or exclude.... And

this should be similarly thrown in the face of any and all hospitals as

well.....

There is a great place to start taking back your own boards instead of this

hidden, removed, does not calculate or relate to the realities of the average

doc under their wing.... and who get to pass judgement on them no less, NO LESS

being the single most influencial commitee in terms of which docs will remain

financially viable and those who will likely crash and burn in bankruptcy and

poverty.... Such reasonable reforms are a great place to start to help the board

bridge the interpersonal relationship gap and the huge disconnect gap that they

presently have created all on their own by ignoring the pleas of those that they

supposedly represent and presently DO have way too much power and control

over.... because of the misuse and abusive use of their certification by other

certainly less than well intended organizations.....

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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:45 PM

Subject: RE: Re: (unknown)

I am so sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope she regains her health.

I agree, board certified docs still make some horrible mistakes. But I would be

more concerned if there was no process to check a doc’s competence at all. It

certainly is not perfect, and costs us docs A LOT of time and money, but I don’t

have a better solution to suggest.

Eads, MD

Pinnacle Family Medicine

Colorado Springs, CO

www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com

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alicerobertson@... on

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:39 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: (unknown)

A board certified doctor messed us up twice...who knows if my daughter will

survive his negligence. And his board certification has done nothing to mend my

shattered heart...nor the board certified docs who lied, covered up, for him to

the Ombudsman, etc. [He was cited...big deal....my daughter is still sick...and

knowing how doctor's kneejerk and blame patients...I will add we did not

sue...and did not file the report...the eejet board certified doctor filed in an

effort to get an emploee filed for reporting him]. So, excuse my emotional

ignorance in this area. Board certification is a false security blanket that

doctors promote.....a type of boy's club:)

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Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 10:26:57 PM

i got sidetracked with china's mention.

so i missed the boards deadline by 2 weeks... my fault i know... need to pay

$500, buy review course at $1200, books at $500, pay airfare, schedule exam, not

show up at work few days prior @2000/day and not sure even id pass...

and all for the boards to make sure i dont kill anyone...

go figure

beef..

grace

>

> Grace...your point is well taken, but I think JP is making a point about

personal liberties being taken via regulation and prestige...not really for the

good of mankind. Then I think he suggested a boycott of BOA because he feels

doing business with corporate thugs isn & #39;t, ultimately, helpful to the

average citizen? Maybe he prefers dignity above swimming thru sewage only to

find out there really is no clean water no matter how hard you swim past boards

and regulators who pretend to be looking out for us?

>

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Funny, the list you just rattled off here execpt for perhaps the academics who might be MD's and other actual Clinical in the actual nature of the degrees PA, Nurses, and PhD's if clinical Psych for example) who may or may not practice some, none or a whole heck of a lot, each case it different..... All these other people who are sitting there in "Judgement" and laying down more layers of garbage and designing more barriers to climb over and Hoops to Jump thru are not practicing Clinicians of any sort..... And yet there they are, all having what seems to amount to a heck of a lot more power control and influence over all of your rights to access and continuing practicing your trade that you have all worked so hard to learn and obtain.... paid in real flesh, blood time effort sweat and tons

of debt money than any of you have over it.... It is YOUR Trade, Your "Skilled Craft" and ONLY folks of a very similar nature and training should have the right to control and influence it and decide who gets in and who doesn't past any basic introductrory level....

Take Back your Boards and take back the access to your cash flow, your trade and craft, and in the end your access and control over yourself and your patients.... This is all a fight in all the places we dicuss here, this is only one of them... over control over your own trade and craft that you all paid some of the most ultimate price to enter into this highly skilled and specialized club just for the right of admission to this club and with the right to practice your craft.... You guys Need to take back that control from all of those folks Walt just listed here.... And the Boards are just another example of how far from the center and the club members this has all gotten....

And as another great measure or check box to be included in all of this, how about only one or two small actions like malpractice taken against a doc??? Anybody how is scar free after a few years in active practice must be doing something right in today's insane climate of Sue Happy, Ambulance Chasers, right? I can't quote numbers here but I do know that the majority of cases are filed against a very small minority of doctors simply because most of you are extremely smart, at some level you care about the people in your care, and heck you are Puck Shy and rightful so, and so most of you are constantly checking your own stuff at the door probably multiple times a day at least.... So I would hazzard a guess that the majority of IMP members here on this board have had only one or NO med mal actions taken to the point of courts and large settlements because most docs really do try their best to do at least a

pretty good if not an outstanding job to begin with... And in general many of the mistakes that happen are really rushed system imposed no less and that most smaller, slower paced IMP like practice are probably some of the lowest risk and best bets to insure in the entire country.... I'd love to collect some data on actions take and awards given comparing solos, IMP's and modern Hamster Wheel practice docs..... I bet it would be very enlightening....

To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:34 PMSubject: Re: (unknown)

, clearly, you have stated the obvious, to all other than a critical core of academics, government bureaucrats, insurance clerks and administrators, among many others who have too much non-clinical time on their hands.

WK

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Has anyone else considered that if you've done a residency, been board certified at least once, and are in an active practice, seeing patients every day, maintaining hospital privileges at a JACHO accredited hospital, admitting a certain number of patients yearly, serving on various hospital committees, doing CME with accredited programs, that above a certain threshold of such activity, it could be assumed that you are competent and that re-certification would be automatic based on your proven level of activity in an environment that is quite effective at weeding out incompetents. The more traditional board exam tests (which still need to be re-designed) could be reserved for those who wish to retain their board certification but are no longer actively practicing clinical medicine. Caldwell M.D.>> > > > > > Jim and ,> > Well by Gosh someone just admitted it ( the self serving nature of the certification process) and thanks for doing so! Bob Keaveny of Physician's practice had a good piece on the lack of evidence that certification leads to better outcomes/patient care. > > Jim, can you provide a citation for your claim that boarded Docs have ability not possessed by non boarded docs? As we all know, "data" can mean anything.> > Kathy and - I dont mean to pick a fight or sound critical, but you both made claims in defense of the cert, process that demand answers- the notion that a Doc can be proved dlinically competent only by a board exam is just wrong. Yes, some CME can be

blown off, but not med school, parts 1-3 of licensing boards, or internship/transitional year, correct?> > To me, the notion that state lic. boards are going to require certification is the worst type of nanny statism and supporting turf battles. What is so unacceptable about an experienced, competent GP anyway, esp. if the patient accepts this in an informed manner?> > I'm with in that the insurers, hospitals and credentialers use any excuse they can to deny payment or access to us, and by us kowtowing to the cert process, we just prove we are willing to jump thru yet another hoop at our own expense. When do we ever say, enough!? And we wonder why healthcare is shockingly expensive in the US?> > Riddle me this- if BC is there to prove competency, why do some boards (all, even?) require association membership (AMA, AOA) for three years prior to even apply for the exam?

Memebership in a trade group does NOT make anyone a better physician.> > Respectfully, .> > > zell, DO, MPH.> 1061 Whispering Lakes Dr.> Madison, GA 30650> > > > >=======Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found.(Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18800)http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51======= =======Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found.(Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18800)http://www.pctools.com=======