Re: Diet/Vitamins/Swank

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Adam

One thing about the Swank diet, the saturated fat intake

(per day) is <15 grams. This " 15 " is given out only because

few can go down to <5 grams of saturated fat a day.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mscured/message/11321

The thing about the Swank diet is that there is no way to

know if reducing your saturated fat intake is doing good

things OR if it is that, in combination with removing all

the bad foods. Removing the bad foods is relativly easy,

but going down to <5 grams of saturated fat a day is extremely

hard.

The Swank site has many message boards. You probably want

this one. (I think you will also have to join the groups

by filling out a on-line form.)

http://swankmsdiet.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Diet

(I don't personally have MS.)

Szpak

> Hi.

>

> I will have a

> look at the Swank diet etc. How long before you

> noticed a difference. And what vitamin supplements can

> you suggest, and why? Thank you once again.

>

> Take Care, Adam.

>

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Let's back up here a minute? Can't he tolerate any meat? Given that he

is on an antiacid, I would suspect he needs to take an enzyme supplement

to assist in his digestion.

IF...this is his sole three-meals-a-day diet, he is in need of some

radical help!...:-)

My wife is gluten intolerant, lactose Intolerant, and Hypoglycemic and

has MS, yet she has done well with a swank oriented diet, substituting

rice for wheat.

I hope this is not the case...

Sincerely,

Tom Nesler

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Finn Fan

>Hi, Thanks again for this. I fear it would not be

>possible in my Brother's case to stick to what you

>say. He cannot eat fruit really-I know you mention

>occasionally. You also say not to fry things-well, his

>pancakes (his only main food) are fried in olive oil.

>If there was a viable substitute to the syrup (and

>maybe there is???) I would push that. here's all he

>eats everyday:

>

>Around six Coeliac/Lactose free pancakes with small

>cut-up blueberries and occasionally raspberries. In

>this pancake mix in mix-in:

>

>Pure High Strength Cod liver Oil, Flax Seed Oil, Lemon

>Juice, Lactose free (Alpro) yoghurt, crushed-up multi

>vits, crushed-up vit b-12, crushed up calcium and

>ergocalcifer (vit D), sometimes I mash up banana (re

>potassium). Obviously, there is pancake mix, 2 eggs

>and Soya 'So Good' Milk.

>

>He can also digest Frosties cereal with Soya 'So Good'

>Milk-this also adds missing calcium.

>

>He will eat a Lactose Free Alpro Yoghurt and Coeliac

>Cereal Bar.

>

>This is all based on what he can digest due to

>probable Gastroparesis and Coeliac's Disease.

>

>He is on none of the regular Gastroparesis treatments

>really as his Gastroenterologist has had success with

>PROPRANOLOL 160mg-which has helped reduce his vomiting

>dramtically.

>

>He is also on LANZAPROZOLE 15mg for Acid/Reflux

>

>and LUSTRAL (SERTRALINE) For Anxiet Depression-Better

>than SEROXAT which he was on and was hard to come off.

>There ia a bid problem re Family History with Anxiety

>(I have suffered very badly with it-our Mother and

>Grandmother too-who, incidentally, are also both

>Coeliacs).

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,

I think there is a difference between the lactic acid that you eat and the

lactic acid in your muscles. I actually am trying to increase the amount of

lactic acid I eat (try to eat it with every meal) and don't notice any

difference in terms of my stiffness. The lactic acid in your muscles is

formed because of a faulty ATP process whereas the lactic acid in your food

helps your stomach to break the food down. It shouldn't enter your body but

I suppose this could theoretically happen with a leaky gut...although I have

a leaky gut and I haven't noticed this. I am not 100% sure of this however

so if anybody has more info - please share.

ne

Re: Re: Diet/Vitamins/Swank

Hi Adam. Tell him to really watch the sugar. I was just tested and my

insulin and lactic acid levels were high. There are so many forms of sugar

and they are in nearly everything we eat, even fruit. Look on the labels

for anything that ends in " ose " . Stevia is a good substitute, but I don't

think you can get it in syrup! Try to eat low sugar fruits (apples and

pears only occasionally). Carbs turn into sugar in your body (even rice and

root veges) and create lactic acid. Lactic acid gets into the muscles and

makes them stiff. You need some fats for energy, so don't give them up

altogether. Just watch the types you eat (no hydrogenated fats are

good...marjarine, Crisco are some examples) and don't overdo it. Don't fry

anything. I don't agree with some of the Swank rules. Cannola oil is on

the acceptable list and it's made from rapeseed, which is terrible. Expeller

pressed olive and coconut oils are better (IMHO).

Finn Fan wrote:Hi Sue.

I was wondering how you manage to measure this? The

only fat I am aware of my Brother really eating (due

to the limited diet he eats due to

Coeliac/Gastroparesis) is syrup with his pancakes.

Also the occasional sweet (piece of candy).

Thanks, Adam.

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In a message dated 11/22/2004 11:06:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tnesler@... writ

Colostrum a good choice and start.

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Hi Adam. Virgin coconut oil is good for candida too. It's anti-microbial.

Finn Fan wrote:Hi.

Thank you very much for this information. My Brother

has been tested for Chrons (they thought it was that

for a while; it wasn't) and Candida (sp.?). It is

eniterly plausible he has IBS too. I will look into

coconut oil. Thank you for thinking of him and sending

this info; much obliged.

Thanks again, Adam.

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Hi Adam!

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Finn Fan

>Hi.

>

>The main problem here is the Gastroparesis. His diet

>is basically based around what he has nt vomitted.

>Since changing to the below diet-which he has been on

>for about 6 months-, in conjunction with the

>Propranolol, his vomiting has massively subsided.

>

>re Meat-it is, apart from for e.g., fish, one of the

>hardest things to digest, and so he has big problems

>pain/vomiting) with meats. However, what we are doing

>at the moment is very slowly trying to build his diet

>back up again-but, after 6 years of lots of daily

>vomiting and some terrible medical care (now on 4th

>Gastroenterologist just as one example of this), you

>can hardly blame him for being concerned about veering

>from this diet with which he doesn't really vomit.

>

>re Enzymes- I am looking to re-introduce Co-Enzyme

>Q10. He has NEVER been given through about 7 hospitals

>dozens of different docs, ANY nutritional/food advice

>apart from stay off gluten (for his Coeliac). He took

>a health food shop allergy test (which he regrets

>taking) which said to avoid

>lactose/chicken/strawberries. He says he feels much

>better sticking to a lactose free diet, so he does.

>That is why we are currently trying to work this out

>for ourselves, as this UK system has offered us no

>help-the best our local GP Doctors could say was a

>print out of a doc in London who they didn't know was

>any good, and who treated eating Disorders.

>

>I am currently trying to battle his doc to get him

>with a NHS Nutritionalist.

>

>There are a lot of complications to consider. It's not

>just the MS, Not just the Coeliac, Not just the

>Lactose Intollerant, Not just the Gastroparesis (the

>main problem)... etc. It's trying to balance all those

>things in his diet, then hoping he keeps it down.

>

>Cheers, Adam.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your explanation of your brother's problems is heartbreaking. Looks

like you are doing everything in your power to help. CoQ10 is an enzyme

and it may be beneficial but it is not a digestive enzyme.

Gastroparesis is the inability of the stomach to empty itself resulting

in nausea and vomitting. Many people suffer from heartburn which is

(IMO) a mild form of Gastro...

Taking enzymes, helps aid digestion which helps the small intestine

process food. Finally, may I suggest looking into Colostrum. This is a

product produced by cows for their young which improves their immunity

but it also is a great general healer. Your brother's body needs a

tremendous amount of healing and I cannot think of a better product to

aid it in rebuilding itself.

Hope this will be of some help,

Tom Nesler

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I had never heard of the word until you mentioned it but I did a google

search on the word and recognized the symptoms. Not being in the UK, I

am not sure what is available to you. If you go to a pharmacy or health

food store, you should find something that will work.

There are two types of enzymes: Ones which contain Pepsin and

Hydrochloric acid as well as digestive enzymes such as Bromelain and

papain and ones that contain only enzymes. Have your brother start out

with the one that has everything and if that causes problems switch to

the one that has only enzymes.

From your other posts, it sounds like your brother is not an invalid.

He is trying to live a normal life. It is so hard to keep at it though

when you are unable to eat well.

Digestion is a complex subject. There is no universal cure. You have

to keep trying and learning and eventually you will find what works.

Here is a link with tips on improving digestion and absorption of

nutrients:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/digestion.html

Finally, doing a juice fast can help someone whose list of acceptable

foods is constantly shrinking. I did an 18 day fast and was able to

continue a normal lifestyle. My only problem was a lack of stamina for

heavy work.

Good luck in your search!

Tom Nesler

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Finn Fan

>Hi Tom.

>

>Thank you for this-I will look into it. I am away for

>a couple of days from tomorrow morning (it's Mon

>7.45pm here at the moment in the UK). Thank you for

>the tip though; can you recommend any digestive

>enzymes? Also, you appear to be aware of

>Gastroparesis-may I ask how as not many people are!

>i.e. Does someone you know suffer from it?

>

>Thank you again, Adam (In Wales, UK)

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Hi Adam!

I realize you won't get this for a while.

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Finn Fan

>

>Hi Tom.

>

>Thank you very much once again for this information-I

>am off to London for a couple of days in about an hou,

>but I will look into Colostrum (have so far not found

>a source of it in the UK where I can buy it/learn

>more-is it lactose free) and the enzymes when I get

>back.

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Colostrum, even though it comes from cows, is lactose free. The key is

to get the colostrum during the first 6 hours after a calf is born.

During that time the cow produces pure colostrum with out any milk.

Good colostrum producers will specify that their product comes from cows

who are milked within this 6 hour window. After 6 hours, the cow begins

to mix in milk with the colostrum and after 48 hours the calf receives

only milk.

Do a web search on colostrum and you should find a supplier you can get

product from.

I use Immune Tree Colostrum which is harvested from cows fed organic

feed in New Zealand.

It is an excellent healer of the digestive tract and I beleive your

brother would benefit greatly from it.

Hope this saves you some time.

Tom Nesler

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Hi ne. Do you have the link to this website? I'm going to

investigate kefir. I'm much improved after drinking Kombucha tea. I

can actually stand for a few minutes without holding on to

anything. My strength and balance are returning. I'm also doing

EDTA chelation to remove the metals. I'm convinced these things are

working. I feel great too. I don't have any fatigue and my eyes

aren't weak. My regularity is on track too.(I hope that isn't too

much information).Thanks,

> Thanks but I have a Kombucha in the fridge...since I am

drinking

> rejuvelac I think I will stay with it for now - Have you seen the

Body

> Ecology website and do you get their newsletter - it is all about

fermented

> foods. Or is this where you got your kefir starter?

> ne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Adam! Or is it Evening now for you???

Sorry for the delayed post. I have been away from my computer over the

weekend.

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Finn Fan

>

>Hi Tom.

>

>Well, thank you very much once again-this has saved

>some time. I have found a company in the UK who supply

>Colostrum, but the cost...! I dont think they had the

>Immune Tree Colostrum though. I will do a web search

>for that-is that expensive too where you get it from?

>

>Thank you again; much obliged to you.

>

>Take care, Adam.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I pay $22.00 for 120 caplets. You can also buy the bulk powder and

either make your own caplets or mix it into a drink to take it. I

agree, it is not cheap. I take two caplets a day so I consume one

bottle every 60 days or $11.00 a month. Your brother may need more each

day to speed his healing.

Go to: http://www.excellentthings.com/colostrum.html

for where I get my product.

Good luck in your search!

Tom Nesler

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, here is the website:

I just started doing research to get some lactic acid yeast wafers - does

anybody here take them? It would appear there are very few makers of them.

Regularity is key to getting healthy and I believe contributes big time to

our illness so I don't think it should be a taboo subject. The fellow I

mentioned who used coffee enemas believes it is the swelling that happens

when a person is constipated that allows the intestines to bulge and become

distended thereby allowing the toxins to get into the system. He thought

this up 15 years ago on his own and was surprised that the rest of the

medical community now recognizes it as leaky gut. (Guess he doesn't have a

computer)

ne

http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/index.html

Re: Diet/Vitamins/Swank

Hi ne. Do you have the link to this website? I'm going to

investigate kefir. I'm much improved after drinking Kombucha tea. I

can actually stand for a few minutes without holding on to

anything. My strength and balance are returning. I'm also doing

EDTA chelation to remove the metals. I'm convinced these things are

working. I feel great too. I don't have any fatigue and my eyes

aren't weak. My regularity is on track too.(I hope that isn't too

much information).Thanks,