An extract from Living in a Kind Universe

[Guest guest]

The full interview is posted on the ITS website - this last piece

struck me - what resonated is how my own understanding of love has

changed since I've done the work - moving away from the heady, ego

version to more of a peace, acceptance version.

Jon

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An Interview with Byron - Ram Giri Braun

R G: ... what is happiness ?

B K: Happiness is balance. This woman today in the audience said that

after the session we were working on " When I fall, I love the trip and

I kiss the cement, " and how do I know that it's time to kiss the

cement? - I fall, I'm kissing it. I'm there.

We were playing around like that. And it is with what is absolutely

true in my experience. And then she leaves the session and she falls

and she rips her pants, and she skins her knee, and she hit's the

cement, and she says " I wasn't opposed to it. After the session it

happened and I wasn't opposed to it. "

Basically she was absolutely okay with it, but she said that she

didn't love it. And I just loved that because that's love, that's

loving what is. It's not this ecstatic " Oh I love the cement! " It's

just this natural connection with everything, this unity, this

dearness, where you fall, you rip your pants, you break your knee

open, your head hits and you just don't mind because there's nothing

uncomfortable about it. In fact it's amazing to realize that you don't

dislike it and to me that's freedom.

R G: So it sounds like the basic recipe is just to completely show up

in the moment without a thought that anything should be different than

it is.

B K: Yes, and that's the end of the war with what is.