Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Just reread my post from last night. Please make that last sentence read: My point is depending on the location of the 'spot' you could possibly opt for a bone BIOPSY. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC > and save big. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Tim, Survival often depends on the person doing the procedure almost more than the type of procedure.Find someone with a good track record of success and with adequate number of procedures under his/her belt. Kathy -----Original Message-----From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Tim BeachSent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:03 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Question Am I right; 57 yrs old, PSA 5.1, Gleason score 3+ 3, stage T1c They want me to have surgery, however is it not true that the survival rate for external radition beam is the same? I would much prefer this than the surgery at this time. Thank you for you help. Tim Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Tim, One of the difficult issues to be overcome in making a decision on what treatment is required is that it is very difficult to find precise comparisons between the various options. In the many studies that are available, there are different mixes of diagnoses, definitions are not identical and so on. The conclusion I have come to is that, for a man with a diagnosis like yours, the choice of treatment is largely immaterial because the results are broadly speaking similar between all of them. But, as Kathy says, the most important issue is to find the best team for the treatment you choose – that is the biggest factor. There is a website that claims to list the best in various categories and you might like to go along there to see what they have to say. The URL is http://tinyurl.com/zpkhe From what you have said, it appears that you may have what has been defined by a leading prostate cancer institution as an insignificant tumour. Their definition being: 1. Nonpalpable 2. Stage T1c 3. Percent free PSA 15 or greater 4. Gleason less than 7 5. Less than three needle cores with none greater than 50% tumour. If this is the case one of the options you might consider is Active Surveillance – see this article http://tinyurl.com/arc8s Good luck, whatever your choice. All the best Terry Herbert in Melbourne Australia Diagnosed ‘96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason 3+3=6: No treatment. June '04: TURP. June '06 PSA 24.3 My site is at www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za It is a tragedy of the world that no one knows what he doesn’t know, and the less a man knows, the more sure he is that he knows everything. Joyce Carey From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Tim Beach Sent: 13 June 2006 08:03 AM To: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Question Am I right; 57 yrs old, PSA 5.1, Gleason score 3+ 3, stage T1c They want me to have surgery, however is it not true that the survival rate for external radition beam is the same? I would much prefer this than the surgery at this time. Thank you for you help. Tim Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Why not just have surgery and get it over with? My husband is 57, PSA 9 , Gleason 7 T2. He is just having it removed next week at MD in Houston. He saw several doctors there and they ALL said that the robotic surgery is the way to do this. And these were doctors who also do the beam etc. They were honest with him and just told him to get it out and be done with it. Tim Beach wrote: Am I right; 57 yrs old, PSA 5.1, Gleason score 3+ 3, stage T1c They want me to have surgery, however is it not true that the survival rate for external radition beam is the same? I would much prefer this than the surgery at this time. Thank you for you help. Tim Beach __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 try here, , (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/) or, if you prefer, contact me directly and we can talk about it. -- A human lifespan is less than a thousand months long. You need to make some time to think how to live it.~A. C. GraylingTrue intelligence is a wide-ranging curiosity and being prepared to live without certainty, fully embracing all doubt and loose ends. ~meNothing happens.~Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, Gyalwang Karmapa 16. If you can't find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?~Dogen ZenjiWe're here to give what we can to life, not get what we can from it. ~me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Thank you, Mike, That web site has an amazing amount of content. I contacted a person affiliated with it. He is definitely not interested in Jungian ideas. It seems the modern alchemists, like Christians, don't appreciate the way Jungians interpret their symbols and dogma through Jungian lenses. However, I love to look at religion, myth and fairy tales through a Jungian perspective. It really opens things up for me. The thing that made the nigredo, albedo, rubedo thing interesting is that it hinted that the archetypal journey has a specific path, and that people would share similar experiences when doing archetypal work. I was talking with a Jungian therapist about active imagination and she insisted that the experience is entirely different for each person. That didn't entirely ring true to me, because even though each individual has a unique imaginal approach and unique issues to work through, the archetypal journey always begins with encounters related to the shaddow, or the "nigredo." Anyway, this struck my interest in a big way because the nigredo, albedo, rubledo quote from von Franz described my active imagination, thus far, in many ways. It made me curious whether its an indicator of what's next. An it made me curious whether it described the path for others. Re: question try here, , (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/) or, if you prefer, contact me directly and we can talk about it. -- A human lifespan is less than a thousand months long. You need to make some time to think how to live it.~A. C. GraylingTrue intelligence is a wide-ranging curiosity and being prepared to live without certainty, fully embracing all doubt and loose ends.~meNothing happens.~Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, Gyalwang Karmapa 16.If you can't find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?~Dogen ZenjiWe're here to give what we can to life, not get what we can from it.~me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 - thought i'd reply both in and ex foro... That web site has an amazing amount of content. *some of it by me, i might add (polishes fingernails on lapel and smiles quasi-bashfully). I contacted a person affiliated with it. He is definitely not interested in Jungian ideas. It seems the modern alchemists, like Christians, don't appreciate the way Jungians interpret their symbols and dogma through Jungian lenses.*you do them (us) an injustice - alchemy is vast, and - like Christianity though to a degree - has its own, highly evolved and intelligent interpretive schema. the jungian take on alchemy is regarded by most alchemists, operative or otherwise, as more or less puerile... merely (and hardly, at that) skimming the surface. i think they do him an injustice, but there's a translation i did of a quote from Canseliet included in this rather interesting set of dialogues with both condemn and redeem him: http://www.alchemywebsite.com/a-archive_may02.html However, I love to look at religion, myth and fairy tales through a Jungian perspective. It really opens things up for me.*The point is that Jung didn't look 'through a Jungian perspective' - he looked... REALLY looked... and then looked and looked again. He wasn't looking for snappy answers. A rather disconcerting tendency among some of the contemporary champions of 'Jungian alchemy' is a disinclination to read the alchemy. However, as the Mutus Liber points out, to even begin to understand one must ORA LEGE LEGE LEGE RELEGE LABORA ET INVENIES - Pray - 'Read, read, read and read again and you will discover it', or, as one version of the Emerald Tablet would have it: VISTA INTERIORA TERRAE RECTIFICANDO INVENIES OCCULTUM LAPIDEM - 'If you visit the bowels of the earth and there make rectification, you shall find the Hidden Stone'. The initials of this sentence spell VITRIOL. The thing that made the nigredo, albedo, rubedo thing interesting is that it hinted that the archetypal journey has a specific path, and that people would share similar experiences when doing archetypal work.*My wife wrote her thesis on painter-poet Henri Michaux around the five birds of alchemy (and with Michaux's approbation)... Crow to phoenix, there is certainly a journey. On Adam's website there's reference to my translation of and commentary on Maier's Cantilenae Intellectuales de Phoenice Redivivo... worth a read if you can afford it. I was talking with a Jungian therapist about active imagination and she insisted that the experience is entirely different for each person.*I'd be inclined to agree. We all come from our own... As Jung himself insisted, there is only one path to Self/godhead/redemption whatever you want to call it... it's the path you, yourself, actually take. at a certain point, however, they do all begin to 'meet in the middle'... the archetypal journey always begins with encounters related to the shaddow, or the " nigredo. " *the nigredo is not a state or an encounter... it's the work done - consciously and with full intent - in putrefactio ... Anyway, this struck my interest in a big way because the nigredo, albedo, rubledo quote from von Franz described my active imagination, thus far, in many ways. It made me curious whether its an indicator of what's next. An it made me curious whether it described the path for others.* if you want to actually see the path, take a look at The Crowning of Nature (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/crowning.html) or either Atalanta Fugiens and its music (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/atl1-5.html)(some of the music, but without the words, is here http://www.alchemywebsite.com/music.html) or The Hermetic Garden (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/emblems/embl001.html) or any of these emblem series (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/emblems/embl001.html) [Adam McLean is so kind!!!] Hope this will at least point you to where to find Ariadne's clew (and clue) and that it might help guide you through the labyrinth!..mike-- A human lifespan is less than a thousand months long. You need to make some time to think how to live it. ~A. C. GraylingTrue intelligence is a wide-ranging curiosity and being prepared to live without certainty, fully embracing all doubt and loose ends.~meNothing happens.~Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, Gyalwang Karmapa 16. If you can't find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?~Dogen ZenjiEvery sound, every movement issues from the Dharma~the Noh play 'Yama-uba'Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hi Mike, Thanks for your post. It gives me lots to think about - and links to explore. You had some reading recommendations I'd have never found on my own. Perfect! I think, truth is, I posted my question because I wanted some reassurance that I wasn't alone out here encountering these things. A year ago I knew almost nothing about Jung. I'm no scholar at all! But I began having ... I guess the phrase would be archetypal encounters. A therapist called it " a flood of unconscious content, " which is probably a common phrase but I'd never heard it. Catchy phrase. Anyway, the active imagination and archetypal journey thing, being new to me but so intense, brought me to this group, hoping to understand more about what's happening. You discuss these things as if they're ... normal! Thanks again. I enjoy reading all the posts here. > > - thought i'd reply both *in *and *ex foro*... > > > That web site has an amazing amount of content. > > > > > *some of it by me, i might add (polishes fingernails on lapel and smiles > quasi-bashfully). > > > > I contacted a person affiliated with it. He is definitely not interested in > > Jungian ideas. It seems the modern alchemists, like Christians, don't > > appreciate the way Jungians interpret their symbols and dogma through > > Jungian lenses. > > > > > > > *you do them (us) an injustice - alchemy is vast, and - like Christianity > though to a degree - has its own, highly evolved and intelligent > interpretive schema. > the jungian take on alchemy is regarded by most alchemists, operative or > otherwise, as more or less puerile... merely (and hardly, at that) skimming > the surface. i think they do *him *an injustice, but there's a translation i > did of a quote from Canseliet included in this rather interesting set of > dialogues with both condemn and redeem him: > http://www.alchemywebsite.com/a-archive_may02.html > > However, I love to look at religion, myth and fairy tales through a > Jungian perspective. It really opens things up for me. > > *The point is that Jung didn't look 'through a Jungian perspective' - he * > looked*... *REALLY *looked... and then looked and looked again. He wasn't > looking for snappy answers. A rather disconcerting tendency among some of > the contemporary champions of 'Jungian alchemy' is a disinclination to read > the alchemy. However, as the Mutus Liber points out, to even begin to > understand one must *ORA LEGE LEGE LEGE RELEGE LABORA ET INVENIES *- Pray - > 'Read, read, read and read again and you will discover it', or, as one > version of the Emerald Tablet would have it: *VISTA INTERIORA TERRAE > RECTIFICANDO INVENIES OCCULTUM LAPIDEM *- 'If you visit the bowels of the > earth and there make rectification, you shall find the Hidden Stone'. The > initials of this sentence spell VITRIOL. > > The thing that made the nigredo, albedo, rubedo thing interesting is that it > > hinted that the archetypal journey has a specific path, and that people > > would share similar experiences when doing archetypal work. > > > > > > > *My wife wrote her thesis on painter-poet Henri Michaux around the five > birds of alchemy (and with Michaux's approbation)... Crow to phoenix, there > is certainly a journey. On Adam's website there's reference to my > translation of and commentary on Maier's *Cantilenae Intellectuales de > Phoenice Redivivo*... worth a read if you can afford it. > > > > I was talking with a Jungian therapist about active imagination and she > > insisted that the experience is entirely different for each person. > > > > > > *I'd be inclined to agree. We all come from our own... As Jung himself > insisted, there *is *only one path to Self/godhead/redemption whatever you > want to call it... it's the path you, yourself, actually take. > > at a certain point, however, they do all begin to 'meet in the middle'. > > .. > > > the archetypal journey always begins with encounters related to the shaddow, > > or the " nigredo. " > > > > > > *the nigredo is not a state or an encounter... it's the work done - > consciously and with full intent - in *putrefactio *... > > Anyway, this struck my interest in a big way because the nigredo, albedo, > > rubledo quote from von Franz described my active imagination, thus far, in > > many ways. It made me curious whether its an indicator of what's next. An it > > made me curious whether it described the path for others. > > > > > > > > * if you want to actually *see *the path, take a look at *The Crowning of > Nature* (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/crowning.html) or either *Atalanta > Fugiens *and its music (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/atl1-5.html)(some of > the music, but without the words, is here > http://www.alchemywebsite.com/music.html) or *The Hermetic Garden* ( > http://www.alchemywebsite.com/emblems/embl001.html) or any of these emblem > series (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/emblems/embl001.html) [Adam McLean is > so kind!!!] > > Hope this will at least point you to where to find Ariadne's clew (and clue) > and that it might help guide you through the labyrinth! > > .. > > mike > > > > -- > A human lifespan is less than a thousand months long. You need to make some > time to think how to live it. > ~A. C. Grayling > > True intelligence is a wide-ranging curiosity and being prepared to live > without certainty, fully embracing all doubt and loose ends. > ~me > > Nothing happens. > ~Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, Gyalwang Karmapa 16. > > If you can't find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to > find it? > ~Dogen Zenji > > Every sound, every movement issues from the Dharma > ~the Noh play 'Yama-uba' > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 they are normal (whatever the heck that is!)(then again, i'm pretty batty on the best of days)..-- Nothing happens.~Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, Gyalwang Karmapa 16. Every sound, every movement issues from the Dharma~the Noh play 'Yama-uba'Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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