Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Hi Norah! Camille > Hi, > > I've rejoined the group -- I was here for awhile last winter & in the > summer. > > I'm 46 years old, female, and I believe I have AS, though I haven't > been able to get diagnosed yet. I have always had problems > making friends, get frustrated very easily, have what are kind of > like meltdowns if I don't watch myself, and also am very clumsy. > Also I don't think I really multitask very well, although I do it at > work quite a bit. I hate it when I keep getting interrupted at work, > for instance, when I have a deadline on a project or something. > > I've already seen some names of people I recognize on here! > > Norah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Norah? For heaven's sake, where have you been? It's good to see you again. I've been rather busy myself with my latest perseveration, composing ragtime, and haven't really maintained much of a " presence " online. Though in truth there are fewer letters to respond to, as most people seem to be busy with holiday preparations of one sort or other. Re: Sort of new member > Hi Norah! > > > Camille > > > > > Hi, > > > > I've rejoined the group -- I was here for awhile last winter & in > the > > summer. > > > > I'm 46 years old, female, and I believe I have AS, though I haven't > > been able to get diagnosed yet. I have always had problems > > making friends, get frustrated very easily, have what are kind of > > like meltdowns if I don't watch myself, and also am very clumsy. > > Also I don't think I really multitask very well, although I do it > at > > work quite a bit. I hate it when I keep getting interrupted at > work, > > for instance, when I have a deadline on a project or something. > > > > I've already seen some names of people I recognize on here! > > > > Norah > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Hi, Norah, welcome to the Treehouse. I'll have to add this to the links section of the yahoogroup, too: http://growe.homeip.net/BaronCohen/MaleFemale.asp It won't give you a diagnosis, as these tests are not diagnostic tools, but it will give you something quantitative to work with. Also, my testing session for autism consisted of taking the AQ test and an IQ test. It was supposed to take two sessions, but I was told I didn't need to come back. Either I was obviously autistic, or obviously neurotypical. (Which is pissy, since I was obviously working third shift, and obviously up past my bed time, which I believe makes things slightly less obvious to all involved). Sort of new member > Hi, > > I've rejoined the group -- I was here for awhile last winter & in the > summer. > > I'm 46 years old, female, and I believe I have AS, though I haven't > been able to get diagnosed yet. I have always had problems > making friends, get frustrated very easily, have what are kind of > like meltdowns if I don't watch myself, and also am very clumsy. > Also I don't think I really multitask very well, although I do it at > work quite a bit. I hate it when I keep getting interrupted at work, > for instance, when I have a deadline on a project or something. > > I've already seen some names of people I recognize on here! > > Norah > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Hi ! Wow, composing ragtime! that sounds really cool & interesting! Are you still drawing cartoons as well? Norah > Norah? For heaven's sake, where have you been? It's good to see you again. > I've been rather busy myself with my latest perseveration, composing > ragtime, and haven't really maintained much of a " presence " online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 HiCamille, Nice to see you on here! Norah > Hi Norah! > > > Camille > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 > Hi, Norah, welcome to the Treehouse. Thanks! > > I'll have to add this to the links section of the yahoogroup, too: > http://growe.homeip.net/BaronCohen/MaleFemale.asp > > It won't give you a diagnosis, as these tests are not diagnostic tools, but > it will give you something quantitative to work with. Cool, thanks!! I have taken these before--let's see if I can remember my scores. I have taken the AQ several times and usually score from about 13-20. I think I scored really low, like 20 or something embarrassing, on the SQ, and about 47 on the EQ. > > Also, my testing session for autism consisted of taking the AQ test and an > IQ test. It was supposed to take two sessions, but I was told I didn't need > to come back. Either I was obviously autistic, or obviously neurotypical. If you went to a doctor for this, and paid him/her, they should give you the results of your tests, IMHO! Norah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 > If you went to a doctor for this, and paid him/her, they should give > you the results of your tests, IMHO! Just got them today. I didn't ask for my AQ test, since I've taken the test twice, with " loose " and " strict " rules of answering. To make it more of a challenge, my clinician said I should answer " impulsively, " that is, go with my first impulse and not bother to think about the answer. That way, I'd have three guides to go by. That's probably why we were able to skip the second session, (plus insistance that I use a pen because I cannot stand the sound of a pencil eroding graphite onto paper - it's OK if other people do it, but I hate to feel it through my bones), played with Silly Putty when I wasn't using my hands for writing, and talked perservatively about my self-diagnostic explorations. Anyway, the scores are 127 verbal IQ, and 113 performance IQ. As I suggested to the psychologist, *look past* the fact that I'm " smart, " and look at the *wide gap* between my hyperlexic verbal functioning and my better-than-average performance IQ. To " see " the developmental disorder in my IQ score, you can't look at " 100 " as the " normal " IQ score. You have to look at my verbal IQ of 127 as the normal, and see that I am " retarded " in comparison to *myself.* That, and of course the fact that with my high IQ, education, and experience, I'm making $6.50 an hour working third shift at a gas station... AND I'M SUSPENDED, TOO, because of an incident involving myself, a boxcutter, and a co-worker who was annoying me. Huzzah for meltdowns - they're not just for breakfast anymore! > > Norah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 > > > If you went to a doctor for this, and paid him/her, they should give > > you the results of your tests, IMHO! > > Just got them today. I didn't ask for my AQ test, since I've taken the test > twice, with " loose " and " strict " rules of answering. To make it more of a > challenge, my clinician said I should answer " impulsively, " that is, go with > my first impulse and not bother to think about the answer. That way, I'd > have three guides to go by. That's probably why we were able to skip the > second session, (plus insistance that I use a pen because I cannot stand the > sound of a pencil eroding graphite onto paper - it's OK if other people do > it, but I hate to feel it through my bones), played with Silly Putty when I > wasn't using my hands for writing, and talked perservatively about my > self-diagnostic explorations. > > Anyway, the scores are 127 verbal IQ, and 113 performance IQ. As I > suggested to the psychologist, *look past* the fact that I'm " smart, " and > look at the *wide gap* between my hyperlexic verbal functioning and my > better-than-average performance IQ. To " see " the developmental disorder in > my IQ score, you can't look at " 100 " as the " normal " IQ score. You have to > look at my verbal IQ of 127 as the normal, and see that I am " retarded " in > comparison to *myself.* That, and of course the fact that with my high IQ, > education, and experience, I'm making $6.50 an hour working third shift at a > gas station... AND I'M SUSPENDED, TOO, because of an incident involving > myself, a boxcutter, and a co-worker who was annoying me. > > Huzzah for meltdowns - they're not just for breakfast anymore! > > > > > Norah Yup. The wide gap, or " scatter " , between verbal and performance " IQ " is well known as a dead giveaway for learning disabilities. But both the Forest clinic (here in Missouri) and the disabled students program at College of the Redwoods completely ignored this in my case. There's something for the psych-professions " Hall Of Shame " . Infuriating! :-\ Dave March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 > Yup. The wide gap, or " scatter " , between verbal and > performance " IQ " is well known as a dead giveaway for learning > disabilities. But both the Forest clinic (here in Missouri) and the > disabled students program at College of the Redwoods > completely ignored this in my case. There's something for the > psych-professions " Hall Of Shame " . Infuriating! I can't believe the FOREST clincic would have the GUMPTION to ignore something as obvious as the " scatter " between verbal and performance IQ. They should be PUNNISHED for this (with a capital " PUN " , of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Sort of new member > Hi, > > I've rejoined the group -- I was here for awhile last winter & in the > summer. > > I'm 46 years old, female, and I believe I have AS, though I haven't > been able to get diagnosed yet. I have always had problems > making friends, get frustrated very easily, have what are kind of > like meltdowns if I don't watch myself, and also am very clumsy. > Also I don't think I really multitask very well, although I do it at > work quite a bit. I hate it when I keep getting interrupted at work, > for instance, when I have a deadline on a project or something. Phew, that makes me feel better. I've hardly contributed to the list for the last year or so, except for a brief interest in Californian showbiz politics. BTW I think we aspies can happily subtract 20 years from our chronological age. I turned 20 (+20) earlier this year... Neil > I've already seen some names of people I recognize on here! > > Norah > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 But then I'm only going on 9 and can't drink for another 13 years! Elayne mommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam (10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Gardner > BTW I think we aspies can happily subtract 20 years from our chronological > age. I turned 20 (+20) earlier this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Elayne Glantzberg wrote: > But then I'm only going on 9 and can't drink for another 13 years! Aah, piece of cake. I've already gone 32 years-- how hard can 13 more be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Ah, but apparently I'm a nicer person when I drink. I worked as a karaoke dJ for over a year, drinking a couple drinks a shift and getting plenty of tips. I didn't get fired for too many customer complaints until after I got pregnant and stopped drinking! Not that I drink much now, it's no fun at home. At the bar, it just turns off the worry switch so I stop worrying about my behavior and what people think (until the next day, at least). Karaoke DJ is the best job in the world, though. Where else can you get free alcohol, play with a huge tower of electronic equipment, sing occasionally, and watch *other* people make complete idiots out of themselves...*and* get paid? <g> Elayne mommy to Brenden, Tamara, & Caitlin (10/12/1999 @ 26w2d) and Liam (10/15/2002 @ 40w4d) > -----Original Message----- > From: Klein > Aah, piece of cake. I've already gone 32 years-- how hard can 13 more > be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 > > > Yup. The wide gap, or " scatter " , between verbal and > > performance " IQ " is well known as a dead giveaway for learning > > disabilities. But both the Forest clinic (here in Missouri) and the > > disabled students program at College of the Redwoods > > completely ignored this in my case. There's something for the > > psych-professions " Hall Of Shame " . Infuriating! > > I can't believe the FOREST clincic would have the GUMPTION to ignore > something as obvious as the " scatter " between verbal and performance IQ. > They should be PUNNISHED for this (with a capital " PUN " , of course). I'm obviously missing something here, but I suppose the thing to do is just let it slide. I'll try. --DKM " I am autistic. As is common with autism, I experience accute and sometimes life-threatening allergic reactions to many forms of condescension, insinuation and/or derisive innuendo. Whatever banal and self-serving misconceptions you may personally harbor regarding autism in general---please at least TRY to remember that I am a human being. Thank You. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 LOL! GOOD ONE!!! Happy Holidays to everybody .<I ; {o> http://community.webtv.net/tikigalharkins/LETSTALKASPERGERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Hi neil, many people thinkn that those with ASD type issues often have an unpredictable emotional age, and it is about 2/3 of your chornological age... that explained alot about me dani grrrl... 39, going on 23 Neil Gardner wrote: > > Sort of new member > > > > Hi, > > > > I've rejoined the group -- I was here for awhile last winter & in the > > summer. > > > > I'm 46 years old, female, and I believe I have AS, though I haven't > > been able to get diagnosed yet. I have always had problems > > making friends, get frustrated very easily, have what are kind of > > like meltdowns if I don't watch myself, and also am very clumsy. > > Also I don't think I really multitask very well, although I do it at > > work quite a bit. I hate it when I keep getting interrupted at work, > > for instance, when I have a deadline on a project or something. > > Phew, that makes me feel better. I've hardly contributed to the list > for the > last year or so, except for a brief interest in Californian showbiz > politics. > > BTW I think we aspies can happily subtract 20 years from our chronological > age. I turned 20 (+20) earlier this year... > > > Neil > > > I've already seen some names of people I recognize on here! > > > > Norah > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 This message from danielle strom arched across the cosmos: >Hi neil, many people thinkn that those with ASD type issues often have >an unpredictable emotional age, and it is about 2/3 of your >chornological age... that explained alot about me I think that it varies, though... I'm 26 but emotionally I seem closest to a *very* young NT, in terms of self-care ability I'm perhaps 11 years old in NT terms on a good day (that's after a year of drastic improvement via experience, too) and my cognitive abilities are in some aspects still infantile -- so the 2/3 rule is far too optimistic for me, even when I'm " compensating " using every bit of brainpower I have. I've figured that for a complete average, I might be around 1/3 my physical-NT age, though obviously that would vary all over the place depending on what else is going on in my life. :-) DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 I describe it as chronological age minus 1d20 in most cases, with exceptions made for some specific types of intelligence ( " splinter skills " ). So, I'm between nine years old and 28 years old in most cases, with splinter skills in vocabulary and finding the " any key. " I think the area where I'm most lacking is appropriate self-disclosure. I'm rarely able to sort out what I ought to tell someone from what I ought not to tell someone. I'll have to think about that while using my profits from selling crack over the Christmas holiday, when most other dealers are taking at least one day off, to get myself a couple of pre-school prostitutes.* Re: Sort of new member > Hi neil, many people thinkn that those with ASD type issues often have > an unpredictable emotional age, and it is about 2/3 of your > chornological age... that explained alot about me * (That's a joke, by the way. A very off-color joke, and probably not one that's very funny. I'm enjoying a bout of insomnia now, so forgive me if I ramble). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 What a shame, that makes me 26 2/3 years old. Actually I'd like to return to my childhood and spend my time researching psychology, programming, genetics etc.. safe in the knowledge that adolescence holds no secrets. Neil Sort of new member > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've rejoined the group -- I was here for awhile last winter & in the > > > summer. > > > > > > I'm 46 years old, female, and I believe I have AS, though I haven't > > > been able to get diagnosed yet. I have always had problems > > > making friends, get frustrated very easily, have what are kind of > > > like meltdowns if I don't watch myself, and also am very clumsy. > > > Also I don't think I really multitask very well, although I do it at > > > work quite a bit. I hate it when I keep getting interrupted at work, > > > for instance, when I have a deadline on a project or something. > > > > Phew, that makes me feel better. I've hardly contributed to the list > > for the > > last year or so, except for a brief interest in Californian showbiz > > politics. > > > > BTW I think we aspies can happily subtract 20 years from our chronological > > age. I turned 20 (+20) earlier this year... > > > > > > Neil > > > > > I've already seen some names of people I recognize on here! > > > > > > Norah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 > I think that it varies, though... I'm 26 but emotionally I seem > closest to a *very* young NT, in terms of self-care ability I'm > perhaps 11 years old in NT terms on a good day (that's after a year > of drastic improvement via experience, too) and my cognitive > abilities are in some aspects still infantile -- so the 2/3 rule is > far too optimistic for me, even when I'm " compensating " using every > bit of brainpower I have. I've figured that for a complete average, > I might be around 1/3 my physical-NT age, though obviously that would > vary all over the place depending on what else is going on in my > life. :-) I don't think it's useful whatsoever to assign NT ages to autistic development. We go on a completely different developmental track. We're not going to fit some kind of 2/3 rule or 1/2 rule or any other rule like that, we're *not* just NTs with delayed development in certain areas on the same track as them. , who is just exactly like a 23-year-old autistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 This message from alfamanda arched across the cosmos: >I don't think it's useful whatsoever to assign NT ages to autistic >development. We go on a completely different developmental track. >We're not going to fit some kind of 2/3 rule or 1/2 rule or any other >rule like that, we're *not* just NTs with delayed development in >certain areas on the same track as them. I'm not saying that we are just NTs with developmental delays -- my sensory issues *alone* (among many other things) would rule that possibility out. I was just showing in detail that there's no single age-related rule for development calculation that works, not even within the same individual; I couldn't really do that without falling back to *something* as a central comparison-point, and NTs are convenient for that in that they tend to be far more uniform than we are. I could probably, given enough time and energy, write up a detailed comparison between an autistic and just about any other species, but I don't have time *or* energy and most of the people reading it would lack the experience with the animal to have a clue whether I was being accurate or not. >, who is just exactly like a 23-year-old autistic You might be careful in the wording for that, though. While I know enough to realize you mean " because all of us show different neurological/developmental traits particularly at different times in life " most people don't know that yet, so saying one person is " exactly like a X-year-old autistic " might easily lead others to make the uninformed logical leap that you're referring to a universal standard (and therefore an autistic developing differently " isn't really " autistic)... Which is pretty much the attitude those of us that can speak/write typically get from NT caretakers of non-speaking/non-writing autistics, as you already know -- that because we weren't exactly like that person at that age, or because we aren't exactly like that person now, we can't possibly have anything in common or any insight at all. DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 > I'm not saying that we are just NTs with developmental delays -- my sensory > issues *alone* (among many other things) would rule that possibility > out. I was just showing in detail that there's no single age-related rule > for development calculation that works, not even within the same > individual; I couldn't really do that without falling back to *something* > as a central comparison-point, and NTs are convenient for that in that they > tend to be far more uniform than we are. I could probably, given enough > time and energy, write up a detailed comparison between an autistic and > just about any other species, but I don't have time *or* energy and most of > the people reading it would lack the experience with the animal to have a > clue whether I was being accurate or not. Of course, to be pedantic... NTs are not more uniform. If they weren't the majority, their traits would be considered weird ( " Wow, look, he really excelled at being potty trained, he learned well before he was 5! But he's really got some problems with exact language, he *still* keeps trying to use vague wordings... " ). It is just that when this " age " stuff is compared, a stereotypical NT is used to determine what age is what. So in comparison to the stereotypical NT, NTs are pretty uniform... -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 This message from arched across the cosmos: >NTs are not more uniform. If they weren't the majority, their traits >would be considered weird ( " Wow, look, he really excelled at being potty >trained, he learned well before he was 5! But he's really got some >problems with exact language, he *still* keeps trying to use vague >wordings... " ). It is just that when this " age " stuff is compared, a >stereotypical NT is used to determine what age is what. So in comparison >to the stereotypical NT, NTs are pretty uniform... Are we using the same definition of " uniform " though? I was using it in the sense of standardization around a central stereotype based on one's own kind -- NTs measured against NTs, ACs measured against ACs -- *not* based on members of the other neurology. DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 If you do the comparison, do it as an autobiography called " My Life As A Cat. " Please include an appendix detailing your findings on child psychology as applied to helping autistic children succeed in school. I anticipate with dread the whole " trust me, Montessori education is the way to go " debate I'm going to have with my girlfriend if we ever reproduce - but Montessori learning stops the " mutilated octopus " syndrome of " math at 8:00, English at 9:00, science at 10:00, history at 11:00 " that stops people from making connections. I think it's even more important for autistic or broader-autistic-phenotype children to be able to see the interrelations between every academic discipline. ----- Original Message ----- > I could probably, given enough > time and energy, write up a detailed comparison between an autistic and > just about any other species, but I don't have time *or* energy and most of > the people reading it would lack the experience with the animal to have a > clue whether I was being accurate or not. > > >, who is just exactly like a 23-year-old autistic > > You might be careful in the wording for that, though. While I know enough > to realize you mean " because all of us show different > neurological/developmental traits particularly at different times in life " > most people don't know that yet, so saying one person is " exactly like a > X-year-old autistic " might easily lead others to make the uninformed > logical leap that you're referring to a universal standard (and therefore > an autistic developing differently " isn't really " autistic)... Which is > pretty much the attitude those of us that can speak/write typically get > from NT caretakers of non-speaking/non-writing autistics, as you already > know -- that because we weren't exactly like that person at that age, or > because we aren't exactly like that person now, we can't possibly have > anything in common or any insight at all. > > > DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 > Peer pressure? What's that? > I remember hearing a lot about it, in the sex education and drug > education modules in school, but I never knew what it was, and I > remember thinking that they were just being silly when talking about > peer pressure. I was never even aware of it, and I still do not have > much of an idea what it must feel like to experience it. All I know was that the drug users I hung out with would always joke about it. " Heh heh heh, you want to smoke this weed because of the EVIL PEER PRESSURE I'm putting on you, don't you? " and so forth. Yet another reason I think the majority of drug education programs are *really stupid*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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