Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Perhaps some doctors lie to their patients but I'd like to believe that the majority are forthright and tell the truth to the best of their ability at a given point in time. When it comes to Prostate cancer, one thing that is missing is TRUTH. You only have to look at the statement given out by the Prostate Cancer Charity this week about the lack of information men receive when diagnosed with PCa. A lot of it is the fault of men themselves. The patient who tells newly diagnosed men that the good doctor is 'The best surgeon in the world' ( Just who the hell is he comparing them too?), and 'Just get it out, I did, and I've never looked back' Of course they forget to mention the incontinence and the impotence because they are convinced the good doctor 'saved their lives' And it's always going to be like that until we stand up like the women diagnosed with breast cancer, and demand the information that we require to make a truly informed choice. As the way things stand at the moment I would sooner trust Tony Soprano than some of these urologists. Tony Soprano wouldn't just 'wack' you for no good reason at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. Some mention of his disease would have been appropriate. It's odd that there was no acknowledgement. I had an RP in September 2004. While my doctor told me he got it all, I know there are no guarantees about my future health. If there were, I wouldn't need semi-annual PSA tests. Perhaps some doctors lie to their patients but I'd like to believe that the majority are forthright and tell the truth to the best of their ability at a given point in time. APilgrm@... wrote: I have just returned from a funeral. He was a friend of my wife's family here in Long Island. He died of prostate cancer, but not one word was said about it in all the eulogies that were presented. He had a radical prostatectomy 8 years ago. The surgeon assured him that he had gotten it all. But it came back with a vengeance. If a doctor tells you he got it all, he may be lying to you. Aubrey Pilgrim, D.C. (Ret) Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 I suppose we have had this conversation before and I hope we have it for many years yet. I still think that it is horses for courses and the more we know about the disease the better. The more we know the more likely we will be able to separate the PCas that need immediate action from those than can be left alone for many years. I'll be interested to hear waht Norman Maitlands university researchers have been up to this year at York District on the 28th - I don't know if the Teeside gang feel like coming down but you will be welcome. The Leeds lot is meeting in December and the subject is bisphosphonates - best wishes Re: Funeral Perhaps some doctors lie to their patients but I'd like to believe that the majority are forthright and tell the truth to the best of their ability at a given point in time. When it comes to Prostate cancer, one thing that is missing is TRUTH. You only have to look at the statement given out by the Prostate Cancer Charity this week about the lack of information men receive when diagnosed with PCa. A lot of it is the fault of men themselves. The patient who tells newly diagnosed men that the good doctor is 'The best surgeon in the world' ( Just who the hell is he comparing them too?), and 'Just get it out, I did, and I've never looked back' Of course they forget to mention the incontinence and the impotence because they are convinced the good doctor 'saved their lives' And it's always going to be like that until we stand up like the women diagnosed with breast cancer, and demand the information that we require to make a truly informed choice. As the way things stand at the moment I would soon er trust Tony Soprano than some of these urologists. Tony Soprano wouldn't just 'wack' you for no good reason at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 In my opinion, the doctors tell their patients all the risks and hazards associated with PC and the treatments. My Doctor did just that. I was fully informed and chose what I saw was the best way to go. As far as women and breast cancer, they have the biggest campaign going, That information is all over the place and when you look at Prostate cancer, it pales in comparison! There's not much there. Women and everyone else really don't care about Prostate cancer unless it effects them personally. Just my opinion. I've written here before and have never received a response from a woman about anything. They have written telling us how their sex lives have been bad since thier mates have been diagnosed and a few have responded telling us how they feel for them. Then the women make their own group keeping us guys out of it. WHo better than us to tell anyone how life is after PC treatment? It's us! Just my thoughts for another great day! Thanks! Tom coolerking5@... wrote: Perhaps some doctors lie to their patients but I'd like to believe that the majority are forthright and tell the truth to the best of their ability at a given point in time. When it comes to Prostate cancer, one thing that is missing is TRUTH. You only have to look at the statement given out by the Prostate Cancer Charity this week about the lack of information men receive when diagnosed with PCa. A lot of it is the fault of men themselves. The patient who tells newly diagnosed men that the good doctor is 'The best surgeon in the world' ( Just who the hell is he comparing them too?), and 'Just get it out, I did, and I've never looked back' Of course they forget to mention the incontinence and the impotence because they are convinced the good doctor 'saved their lives' And it's always going to be like that until we stand up like the women diagnosed with breast cancer, and demand the information that we require to make a truly informed choice. As the way things stand at the moment I would sooner trust Tony Soprano than some of these urologists. Tony Soprano wouldn't just 'wack' you for no good reason at all. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Well said Fred. Does anyone know if there are any studies, apart from the Bill-Axelson study, that shows the benefit of surgery. Also is there any theories that the removal of the primary tumour promotes later aggressive disease ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 HI, I did not mean to imply that all doctors would deliberately lie. But some of them do give false hope, perhaps just to make the patient feel better. Aubrey n a message dated 11/5/2005 4:52:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, jha0321@... writes: I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. Some mention of his disease would have been appropriate. It's odd that there was no acknowledgement. I had an RP in September 2004. While my doctor told me he got it all, I know there are no guarantees about my future health. If there were, I wouldn't need semi-annual PSA tests. Perhaps some doctors lie to their patients but I'd like to believe that the majority are forthright and tell the truth to the best of their ability at a given point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Hi , Thank you very much- Aubrey Perhaps some doctors lie to their patients but I'd like to believe that the majority are forthright and tell the truth to the best of their ability at a given point in time. When it comes to Prostate cancer, one thing that is missing is TRUTH. You only have to look at the statement given out by the Prostate Cancer Charity this week about the lack of information men receive when diagnosed with PCa. A lot of it is the fault of men themselves. The patient who tells newly diagnosed men that the good doctor is 'The best surgeon in the world' ( Just who the hell is he comparing them too?), and 'Just get it out, I did, and I've never looked back' Of course they forget to mention the incontinence and the impotence because they are convinced the good doctor 'saved their lives' And it's always going to be like that until we stand up like the women diagnosed with breast cancer, and demand the information that we require to make a truly informed choice. As the way things stand at the moment I would sooner trust Tony Soprano than some of these urologists. Tony Soprano wouldn't just 'wack' you for no good reason at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Years from now, our descendants will be looking back at our time and regard our approach to cancer treatment the same way we regard people in the middle ages who treated every ailment by sucking patients' blood with leeches. They will find it hard to believe that our total approach to cancer treatment consists of any of the following: cut, burn, freeze, poison and roll the dice. If you are looking for an answer to the question of why we have not found a cure for cancer, remember that cancer is big business. Can you imagine how many jobs would be lost if someone found a cure? As for the good surgeon who promises that he " got it all, " what else can he say to assure the patient that the price that he paid in significant loss of quality of life is worth it? The moral, as I have heard so many say, is that the patient has to be a strong advocate of his own welfare. Quality of life must be as important a criterion as quantity, if not more. Fred Agnir > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:39:23 EST > From: APilgrm@... > Subject: Funeral > > I have just returned from a funeral. He was a friend of my wife's > family > here in > Long Island. He died of prostate cancer, but not one word was said > about it > in > all the eulogies that were presented. > > He had a radical prostatectomy 8 years ago. The surgeon assured him > that he > had gotten it all. But it came back with a vengeance. If a doctor > tells you > he > got it all, he may be lying to you. > > Aubrey Pilgrim, D.C. (Ret) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 A friend was told they got all the melanoma 14 years ago. He died of melanoma 4 years ago. My mother was told they got all her bc 7 years ago. She just had more surgery for bc last week. I'll never believe they got it all... --- APilgrm@... wrote: > I have just returned from a funeral. He was a friend of my wife's family > here in > Long Island. He died of prostate cancer, but not one word was said about it > in > all the eulogies that were presented. > > He had a radical prostatectomy 8 years ago. The surgeon assured him that he > had gotten it all. But it came back with a vengeance. If a doctor tells you > he > got it all, he may be lying to you. > > Aubrey Pilgrim, D.C. (Ret) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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