Re: OT: Iodine and Graves & Hashimoto's diseases (was) Lugol's

[Guest guest]

Dr. Brownstein, well known for his work with treating disease with Lugol's and

Iodoral believes Hashimoto's disease is caused by low iodine. He actually uses

iodine as part of his Hashi's treatment...

This is what Dr. B has to say...

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/dr_brownstein/Hashimotos_Disease/2010/08/02/337720.\

html

This is what Dr. B has to say about Graves, Hashimoto's and iodine... Also

believes

Graves disease is caused by low iodine levels..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1409675/pg1

Take care,

Jim

>

> *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is

> written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what

> this guy is saying:*

> Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/>

>

> Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with

> good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such

> conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it

> comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk

> worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition.

>

> As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid

> peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is

> why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only

> needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform

> its duties.

>

> Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For

> most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune

> attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So

> everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives

> TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and

> amps up the attack.

>

> I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine

> is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have

> safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune

> system.

>

> http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/

>

>

> *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In

> the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with

> Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very

> brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on

> synthroid.

>

> I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc

> has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research

> than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of

> holes.

>

> It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology

> of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune

> theory.

> *

>

> *

> *

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Dr. B is the only doctor that I have read that has said this and as we know he

used iodine to treat everything. I don't think my hashi's was cause by iodine

deficientcy. From everything I have read there is a genetic disposition with an

environmental trigger which in my case was lyme. I am not doubting that

nutrition was not a part of it as when I was sick I was not absorbing any

nutrients and my body was jumping from hyper to hypo. I think when any disease

strikes it is the perfect storm.

I have searched for statistics on Hashi's and they do seem to have as much

Hashi's in countries who eat a diet rich in iodine.

I am not against iodine I know it has great benefits but my TSH gets out of

control when I do anything that would boost my thyroid production. Its not a

matter of cutting back for me because I get a little hyper. My TSH range shows

1000> on my bloodwork every time my thyroid is out of whack. You have no idea

what that does to me.

I was using iodine for a while. It didn't agree with me. Maybe because I was

nebulizing with it and I think I had too much die off from it. Im not sure but

Im staying away from it. My lyme is finally gone or at least in some sort of

remission and I feel that as long as I can keep my Hashi's in check Im going to

stay healthy.

The Hashis has the ability to make me feel almost as bad as the lyme did though.

Tamara

> >

> > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is

> > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what

> > this guy is saying:*

> > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/>

> >

> > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with

> > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such

> > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it

> > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk

> > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition.

> >

> > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid

> > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is

> > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only

> > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform

> > its duties.

> >

> > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For

> > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune

> > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So

> > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives

> > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and

> > amps up the attack.

> >

> > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine

> > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have

> > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune

> > system.

> >

> > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/

> >

> >

> > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In

> > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with

> > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very

> > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on

> > synthroid.

> >

> > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc

> > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research

> > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of

> > holes.

> >

> > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology

> > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune

> > theory.

> > *

> >

> > *

> > *

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" I am not against iodine I know it has great benefits but my TSH gets out of control when I do anything that would boost my thyroid production. Its not a matter of cutting back for me because I get a little hyper. My TSH range shows 1000> on my bloodwork every time my thyroid is out of whack. You have no idea what that does to me.

I was using iodine for a while. It didn't agree with me. Maybe because I was nebulizing with it and I think I had too much die off from it. Im not sure but Im staying away from it. My lyme is finally gone or at least in some sort of remission and I feel that as long as I can keep my Hashi's in check Im going to stay healthy. "

 

Wow, Tamara, I can see why you'd be feeling so crummy!  I do think you make an interesting point regarding nebulizing. I would think that would cause a terrific die off. So you got a double whammy, high TSH and severe herx. It may or may not be different for you if you took small amounts of iodine orally - to test the waters.  I just would 'caution' those with Hashi's, but not discourage them from trying and trying slowly. Of course there may be some die-off which one could interpret as 'feeling worse' and hopefully their TSH would decrease and they might even get hypersymptoms so then they'd need to back off on the meds rather than the iodine.  We are definitely not 'one size fits all' :-)

 

The Hashis has the ability to make me feel almost as bad as the lyme did though.

Tamara

> >

> > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is

> > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what

> > this guy is saying:*

> > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/>

> >

> > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with

> > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such

> > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it

> > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk

> > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition.

> >

> > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid

> > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is

> > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only

> > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform

> > its duties.

> >

> > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For

> > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune

> > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So

> > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives

> > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and

> > amps up the attack.

> >

> > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine

> > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have

> > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune

> > system.

> >

> > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/

> >

> >

> > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In

> > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with

> > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very

> > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on

> > synthroid.

> >

> > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc

> > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research

> > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of

> > holes.

> >

> > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology

> > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune

> > theory.

> > *

> >

> > *

> > *

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this, Jim!

> >

> > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is

> > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what

> > this guy is saying:*

> > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/>

> >

> > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with

> > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such

> > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it

> > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk

> > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition.

> >

> > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid

> > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is

> > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only

> > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform

> > its duties.

> >

> > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For

> > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune

> > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So

> > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives

> > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and

> > amps up the attack.

> >

> > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine

> > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have

> > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune

> > system.

> >

> > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/

> >

> >

> > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In

> > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with

> > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very

> > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on

> > synthroid.

> >

> > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc

> > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research

> > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of

> > holes.

> >

> > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology

> > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune

> > theory.

> > *

> >

> > *

> > *

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tamara,I know there are not a lot of other doctors treating thyroid autoimmune with iodine as are Drs. Brownstein and Abraham,but then most docotors today don't use iodine to treat anything anymore.. I've mentioned Lugol's to a few of my doctors

and one said I read about that in the history of medicine, but he and the other doctor were clueless about its benefits,basically, they just prescribe pills today to treat illness.

Dr. Brownstein does make a good case for thyroid autoimmune diseases in the past being treated by doctors using Lugol's,the history is documented and I recall from reading the history of Lugol's, doctors had good successes using it for many health ailments, often

a patient went home with a bottle.. It was when big pharma came on the scene and persuaded doctors their pills were betterand the normal use of prescribing Lugol's came to a pretty fast stop.. So Dr. B is looking at history and he and Dr. Abraham

are treating thyroid autoimmune using iodine.. Unfortunately, there is a big space in time from when doctors of the past treatedthyroid autoimmune with Lugol's and today's doctors, I look at both as pioneers, old and new doctors... I guess if iodine was

a big no-no for autoimmune, would these two doctors not have found it by treating their autoimmune patients? I would haveto think so.. And I do find it interesting as our iodine levels drop, autoimmune is increasing? Coincidence? Could be, but coming from a 

culture 100 years ago where iodine was plentiful to now when it is low in American's diets, there may be a real connectionbetween low iodine levels and autoimmune.  Unfortunately because there is no money to be made from studying Lugol's and

autoimmune, there most likely will never be any studies.. http://www.vrp.com/minerals/iodine-the-rest-of-the-story

Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders - Dr. B

Some physicians feel that iodine supplementation causes autoimmune thyroid disorders. They also claim that those with autoimmune thyroid disorders should not take iodine as it will exacerbate their condition. Before conventional medicine began using radioactive iodine to treat autoimmune thyroid disorders, large doses of iodine was the treatment of choice in treating autoimmune thyroid disorders. There are numerous reports in the literature, some dating back well over 100 years, showing the benefits of using iodine in excess of the RDA to treat autoimmune thyroid illnesses.1-4 

If iodine was the cause of autoimmune thyroid illnesses, these illnesses should have been decreasing over the last 30 years. The opposite has occurred. In the United States, iodine levels have fallen approximately 50 percent over the last 30 years while, at the same time, autoimmune thyroid disorders have been rapidly increasing.5 

My clinical experience has shown that in an iodine deficient state, higher doses of iodine, as part of a holistic treatment program, are an effective and safe way to treat autoimmune thyroid illness without appreciable side effects. 

http://www.iodine4health.com/disease/thyroidisease/autoimmune/brownstein_autoimmune.htm

" The increase in both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease, occurring at near epidemic rates, is because of iodine deficiency....I believe that iodine deficiency may be an important factor in developing an autoimmune thyroid problem....

If I had a thyroid autoimmune problem, I would consider Dr. B's treatment, but never anything like this should be self treated.. This is so specialized and there is so little info around about it, being treated by someone who's experienced and knows what they are doing is really important..

I really understand your feelings about this, you have Hashi's and know it first hand, I don't have it, so I am just reading about it.... But if doctors from the past treated autoimmune with large doses of Lugol's and it is documented by different doctors, this does make for a stronger case that Drs. B and A may actually be having success with this also.. 

Take care,Jim

Re: OT: Iodine and Graves & Hashimoto's diseases (was) Lugol's

Jim,Dr. B is the only doctor that I have read that has said this and as we know heused iodine to treat everything. I don't think my hashi's was cause by iodinedeficientcy. From everything I have read there is a genetic disposition with an

environmental trigger which in my case was lyme. I am not doubting thatnutrition was not a part of it as when I was sick I was not absorbing anynutrients and my body was jumping from hyper to hypo. I think when any disease

strikes it is the perfect storm.I have searched for statistics on Hashi's and they do seem to have as muchHashi's in countries who eat a diet rich in iodine.I am not against iodine I know it has great benefits but my TSH gets out of

control when I do anything that would boost my thyroid production. Its not amatter of cutting back for me because I get a little hyper. My TSH range shows1000> on my bloodwork every time my thyroid is out of whack. You have no idea

what that does to me.I was using iodine for a while. It didn't agree with me. Maybe because I wasnebulizing with it and I think I had too much die off from it. Im not sure butIm staying away from it. My lyme is finally gone or at least in some sort of

remission and I feel that as long as I can keep my Hashi's in check Im going tostay healthy.The Hashis has the ability to make me feel almost as bad as the lyme did though.Tamara

> >> > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is> > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what> > this guy is saying:*

> > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/>> >> > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with

> > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such> > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it> > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk

> > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition.> >> > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid> > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is

> > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only> > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform> > its duties.> >> > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For

> > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune> > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So> > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives

> > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and> > amps up the attack.> >> > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine

> > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have> > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune> > system.> >> > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/

> >> >> > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In> > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with> > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very

> > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on> > synthroid.> >> > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc

> > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research

> > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of> > holes.> >> > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology> > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune

> > theory.> > *> >> > *> > *> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

I think were going to have to agree to disagree. I have no doubt that iodine

is helpful in many circumstances but I have to disagree that as iodine levels

drop auto-immune is increasing. It is thought that auto-immune thyroid is often

caused by someone who is genetically disposed to having Hashi's when iodine is

consumed. Many doctors will even go so far as recommending an iodine free diet

in patients with Hashi's. Im not talking big pharma doctors Im talking holistic

doctors and alternative doctors whose use iodine in their regular practice.

Japan is known to have that highest rates of Hashi's per capita and I believe

they have high rates of iodine consumption.

If you understand the science behind the disease it would make no sense to treat

is with iodine. who runs the thyroid adrenal group has said she has

seen many people in her group use iodine for hypothyroid only to have it turn

into hashi's and I believe she started the iodine group.

Tamara

> > >

> > > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice

> is

> > > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute

> what

> > > this guy is saying:*

> > > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/>

> > >

> > > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with

> > > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such

> > > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When

> it

> > > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk

> > > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition.

> > >

> > > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the

> thyroid

> > > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This

> is

> > > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid

> only

> > > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to

> perform

> > > its duties.

> > >

> > > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO.

> For

> > > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of

> autoimmune

> > > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So

> > > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which

> perceives

> > > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively

> and

> > > amps up the attack.

> > >

> > > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that

> iodine

> > > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we

> have

> > > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning

> immune

> > > system.

> > >

> > > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/

> > >

> > >

> > > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In

> > > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine

> with

> > > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a

> very

> > > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on

> > > synthroid.

> > >

> > > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My

> doc

> > > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more

> research

> > > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of

> > > holes.

> > >

> > > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the

> pathology

> > > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the

> auto-immune

> > > theory.

> > > *

> > >

> > > *

> > > *

> > >

> >

>