Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 ,I just started taking Lugol's about 2 weeks ago. It has kicked in my thyroid, like yours, and now I take less Cytomel. I'm also sleeping better! yeah!I wouldn't be concerned about iodine making a thyroid gland go hyperactive. I would think it would work more like an adaptgen (is the right word?) you know, self regulating. I think the chances are slim you'd send him into hyper, but even if you do, he can simply back down. Going (self-inflicted) hyper is not a big deal like endocrimologist make it to be - simply take less you'll feel better within a day or two. It's my opinion, but once your TSH is below 2, don't pay attention to it - you are not " hyper " even at " 0 " . You are hyper when you have symptoms - which could be at 1 or 0 or whatever. Go by symptoms first, then FT3, FT4 and RT3. TSH is only helpful when it's high.Lugol's is also anti-microbial. I, stupidly, followed the instructions on a bottle of Rx iodine and took one dropperful a few months ago. Wow, that was one of the worst herxes ever. (Hmmm, maybe not bad to pulse with larger doses). It kills stuff, plus it displaces other harmful metals. I also tried Lugol's once a few years ago, I went up in dose too fast had symptoms of too much iodine and quite taking it thinking I didn't need it. Boy, was I wrong, I just went up too fast. I take mine at bedtime (6 drops now) with magnesium and L-tryptophan and I am sleeping better. Oh, a pinch of inositol too. And a handful of melatonin. However, it was when I added iodine to the mix, my sleep dramatically improved. I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to reflect that much of a change in TSH? I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him into hyperactivity. What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically? Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? Thanks for you help. mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Just be careful with iodine if you have Hashimoto's. Dea To: Lyme_and_Rife From: 40dayjourney@...Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:03:31 -0700Subject: Re: OT Lugol's ,I just started taking Lugol's about 2 weeks ago. It has kicked in my thyroid, like yours, and now I take less Cytomel. I'm also sleeping better! yeah!I wouldn't be concerned about iodine making a thyroid gland go hyperactive. I would think it would work more like an adaptgen (is the right word?) you know, self regulating. I think the chances are slim you'd send him into hyper, but even if you do, he can simply back down. Going (self-inflicted) hyper is not a big deal like endocrimologist make it to be - simply take less you'll feel better within a day or two.It's my opinion, but once your TSH is below 2, don't pay attention to it - you are not "hyper" even at "0". You are hyper when you have symptoms - which could be at 1 or 0 or whatever. Go by symptoms first, then FT3, FT4 and RT3. TSH is only helpful when it's high.Lugol's is also anti-microbial. I, stupidly, followed the instructions on a bottle of Rx iodine and took one dropperful a few months ago. Wow, that was one of the worst herxes ever. (Hmmm, maybe not bad to pulse with larger doses). It kills stuff, plus it displaces other harmful metals. I also tried Lugol's once a few years ago, I went up in dose too fast had symptoms of too much iodine and quite taking it thinking I didn't need it. Boy, was I wrong, I just went up too fast. I take mine at bedtime (6 drops now) with magnesium and L-tryptophan and I am sleeping better. Oh, a pinch of inositol too. And a handful of melatonin. However, it was when I added iodine to the mix, my sleep dramatically improved. I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to reflect that much of a change in TSH? I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him into hyperactivity. What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically?Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism?Thanks for you help.mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Dea,I always hear this regarding iodine and Hashi's. What's the logic? I don't get it. Just be careful with iodine if you have Hashimoto's. Dea To: Lyme_and_Rife From: 40dayjourney@...Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:03:31 -0700 Subject: Re: OT Lugol's ,I just started taking Lugol's about 2 weeks ago. It has kicked in my thyroid, like yours, and now I take less Cytomel. I'm also sleeping better! yeah!I wouldn't be concerned about iodine making a thyroid gland go hyperactive. I would think it would work more like an adaptgen (is the right word?) you know, self regulating. I think the chances are slim you'd send him into hyper, but even if you do, he can simply back down. Going (self-inflicted) hyper is not a big deal like endocrimologist make it to be - simply take less you'll feel better within a day or two. It's my opinion, but once your TSH is below 2, don't pay attention to it - you are not " hyper " even at " 0 " . You are hyper when you have symptoms - which could be at 1 or 0 or whatever. Go by symptoms first, then FT3, FT4 and RT3. TSH is only helpful when it's high.Lugol's is also anti-microbial. I, stupidly, followed the instructions on a bottle of Rx iodine and took one dropperful a few months ago. Wow, that was one of the worst herxes ever. (Hmmm, maybe not bad to pulse with larger doses). It kills stuff, plus it displaces other harmful metals. I also tried Lugol's once a few years ago, I went up in dose too fast had symptoms of too much iodine and quite taking it thinking I didn't need it. Boy, was I wrong, I just went up too fast. I take mine at bedtime (6 drops now) with magnesium and L-tryptophan and I am sleeping better. Oh, a pinch of inositol too. And a handful of melatonin. However, it was when I added iodine to the mix, my sleep dramatically improved. I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to reflect that much of a change in TSH? I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him into hyperactivity. What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically?Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? Thanks for you help.mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Yes, I do and am awaiting ATA for to see if he does. Ditto on the question by . mary > > > > > > > > I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went > > from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different > > protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw > > was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to > > reflect that much of a change in TSH? > > I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him > > into hyperactivity. > > What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically? > > Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? > > Thanks for you help. > > mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hi , Those of us with Hashi's take thyroid meds in the attempt of bypassing the thyroid. The last thing that we want is our thyroid to be boosted with iodine or things like it because when our thyroid produced T4 the auto-immune attack starts. Our antibodies attack our own thyroid leaving us sicker and sicker. I have been told that my thyroid looks like swiss cheese. There were many attacks that kept damaging my thyroid. These thyroid attacks can really damage our health and for some are even life threatening. Tamara > > > > > > > > I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went > > from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different > > protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw > > was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to > > reflect that much of a change in TSH? > > I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him > > into hyperactivity. > > What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically? > > Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? > > Thanks for you help. > > mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what this guy is saying: Iodine and Hashimoto’s Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it comes to Hashimoto’s, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition. As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform its duties. Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For most people with Hashimoto’s, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and amps up the attack. I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto’s, especially since we have safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune system.http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on synthroid. I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of holes. It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 , You cant totally dismiss the science behind what causes TPO production and what that production does to hashi's patients just because a doctor is allopathic. It doesn't make any sense. I do have Hashi's and I have had many auto-immune attacks and I am learning to understand the disease. You don't want to stimulate TPO production period. Sjorgren's is completely different disease so I see no reason why your doctor would have a problem with iodine. Unfortunately LDN did not stop my hashi's. It did help me fight the lyme. Tamara > > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what > this guy is saying:* > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/> > > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition. > > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform > its duties. > > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and > amps up the attack. > > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune > system. > > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/ > > > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on > synthroid. > > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of > holes. > > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune > theory. > * > > * > * > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hi , When you take Lugol's are you using organic apple cider vinegar (Bragg's) also? It makes Lugol's more effective.. I use 3 oz of water, 1 - 3 tsp ACV and Lugol's. Not only does it make Lugol's more effective, you can't taste that metallic taste which is normal with Lugol's. Jim > > > > > > > I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went > > from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different > > protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw > > was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to > > reflect that much of a change in TSH? > > I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him > > into hyperactivity. > > What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically? > > Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? > > Thanks for you help. > > mary > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 I'm not automatically dismissing the allopath, but like I said, I read the entire article and could punch all kinds of holes in his comments. I will be the first to admit that I haven't done much research on the subject - nor will I (at least not today :-), but I think there is another side to the argument. And where I see big pharma and allopaths involved..........well, my suspicion goes up. I am certainly not advising you or anyone with Hashi's to take iodine, but I would. I would take it and see what happens. Maybe it would have done wonders for you in conjunction with the LDN, who knows? I wanted to point out how LDN works because they have found that what scientists thought the theory behind auto-immune all these years is flawed. The LDN site says we need to rethink autoimmune illnesses. It kind of reminds me of when the doctor discovered that stomach ulcers were not caused by stress, but by bacteria and are treated with a short dose of abx. The entire medical field threw up their arms in disgust - rather than embracing his discovery. Of course, big pharma has lost out on years of 'purple pill' sales as well as all the OTC remedies. Our bodies need iodine - period. Could it be that in rare circumstances, one shouldn't take something? Of course! I just wonder if the rate of Hashi's has risen since they started replacing iodine in our bread with bromine. Maybe one wouldn't develop Hashi's if they had sufficient iodine levels to begin with. I wonder what would happen if someone with Hashi's took iodine for a year or more? Would their Hashi's go away? I can see that it might increase for a while. Is there clear clinical evidence that iodine causes the impending damage to the thyroid (via TPO) or is this theory based on speculation. It also makes me think about estrogen dominant cancers. So many women are put on drugs to suppress their hormones after having certain types of cancer. These women are then miserable. Is it really our natural estrogen that caused the cancer or could it be all of the xeno and phyto-estrogens? Should we really be suppressing our God given natural hormones, or should we be detoxing and eliminating the fake estrogens that our body doesn't know how to handle? This are some of my thoughts regarding the iodine situation. Just trying to stay open minded.L , You cant totally dismiss the science behind what causes TPO production and what that production does to hashi's patients just because a doctor is allopathic. It doesn't make any sense. I do have Hashi's and I have had many auto-immune attacks and I am learning to understand the disease. You don't want to stimulate TPO production period. Sjorgren's is completely different disease so I see no reason why your doctor would have a problem with iodine. Unfortunately LDN did not stop my hashi's. It did help me fight the lyme. Tamara > > *Just a quick search on iodine and Hashi's - I don't buy it. This advice is > written by standard allopaths or endocrimologist. I can easily refute what > this guy is saying:* > Iodine and Hashimoto's <http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/> > > Iodine supplementation has become very popular in recent years, and with > good reason. Iodine has been shown to be an effective therapy for such > conditions as breast and uterine fibroids, breast cancer, and more. When it > comes to Hashimoto's, however, I oppose the use of iodine as you risk > worsening your autoimmune thyroid condition. > > As I explained in the book, iodine stimulates the activity of the thyroid > peroxidase (TPO) enzyme, which triggers thyroid hormone production. This is > why so many thyroid supplements contain iodine, even though the thyroid only > needs enough iodine to fit on the head of a pin each day in order to perform > its duties. > > Supplementing with iodine stimulates the production and activity of TPO. For > most people with Hashimoto's, TPO also happens to be the site of autoimmune > attack, and surrounding thyroid tissue is damaged in the process. So > everytime TPO production is stimulated, the immune system, which perceives > TPO as a foreign invader to be eradicated, responds more aggressively and > amps up the attack. > > I simply believe, based on my research and clinical experience, that iodine > is an unnecessary risk when managing Hashimoto's, especially since we have > safer and more effective ways to work with a improperly functioning immune > system. > > http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/ > > > *I know most of you can 'pin point' the flaws in the above paragraph. In > the article he goes on to state a few examples of people taking Iodine with > Hashi's and having bad reactions - everyone can be explained. From a very > brief search, this seems to be a big pharma scam wanting to keep you on > synthroid. > > I do not have Hashi's, but I do have Sjorgren's which is auto-immune. My doc > has no problem with me being on iodine. I suppose it calls for more research > than the 5 minutes I gave it, but if this is the argument, it's full of > holes. > > It also depends on which side of the fence you stand regarding the pathology > of auto-immune. Low Dose Naltrexone has basically blown away the auto-immune > theory. > * > > * > * > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 I did that a few times. Now, I'm putting six drops in an empty capsule and taking it with my evening cocktail of magnesium powder, inositol, etc. I'm so tired of gagging stuff down - including ACV -LOL I think I read that it's the acid in the vinegar that helps it - so I'm hoping the acid in the magnesium citrate will help as well. So far, no complaints here. I am stunned at how much better I am sleeping. I've cut my sleep meds in half the last 6 months! L Hi , When you take Lugol's are you using organic apple cider vinegar (Bragg's) also? It makes Lugol's more effective.. I use 3 oz of water, 1 - 3 tsp ACV and Lugol's. Not only does it make Lugol's more effective, you can't taste that metallic taste which is normal with Lugol's. Jim > > > > > > > I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went > > from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only different > > protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last draw > > was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction to > > reflect that much of a change in TSH? > > I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw him > > into hyperactivity. > > What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically? > > Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? > > Thanks for you help. > > mary > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hi , Interesting you sleeping better because of Lugol's... What time of day are you taking it? I usually take it during the day, but not at night... If taking it at night is helping you sleep, I will start using it then also... Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used Lugol's 5% on and myself. I am hypothyroid and I went > > > > from a 17 tsh to .34 within 6 weeks (from draw to draw). The only > > different > > > > protocol was using Lugol's. I used it on for a while and his last > > draw > > > > was .6, a jump from 2.0. Could the Lugol's trigger a thyroid reaction > > to > > > > reflect that much of a change in TSH? > > > > I would like to start on Lugol's but am afraid that I will throw > > him > > > > into hyperactivity. > > > > What benefit is the Lugol's to a person with Lyme, specifically? > > > > Do you all that take the Lugol's have hypothyroidism? > > > > Thanks for you help. > > > > mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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