Re: Re: Mercury link with autism

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welcome to my fillings, tainted by mercury

kim

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Lana

I actually met a woman my age the other day who did not have her child up

to date when it was time to attend school (on vaccinations). I was

shocked. This scared me a great deal.

Although I'm sensitive to your situation, I believe sensitivities to

vaccines are rare and the result of not vaccinating, as apparently many

parents are choosing to do out of panic, (oh no might catch autism!) is

downright alarming).

K

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Ive had german measles and scarlett fever my self. The thought of an

America with a plague, IS scary.

kim

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Sorry Jypsy.

> gastrointestinal disorders, childhood cancers. Why do you think they

> tried so hard to include into Homeland Security Bill a " backdoor "

> provision exempting Eli Lilly from any and all liability for

> thimerosal injuries?

Simple - because the Homeland Security Administration wants vaccines to

be produced to combat bioterrorism. These will be vaccines that may be

administered to *MILLIONS* of people, but not really tested nearly to the

extent of traditional vaccines (many of the vaccines we give kids today

have been essentially unchanged for 25+ years - so we understand the risk

" fairly " well compared to a brand new vaccine). People are scared to

make these fairly low cost bioterrorism vaccines because the lawsuit

liability is so huge.

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> No. They made specific provision that Eli Lilly immunity be

> retroactive and covers ALL cases of vaccine injury, INCLUDING

> injuries already caused (or possibly caused in the future) by

> regular, mandated childhood vaccines. It was supposed to stop vaccine

> injury lawsuits currently in progress.

No, it was not IMMUNITY. It was a different legal process with a cap of

$250,000 per incident on damages. Also, Eli Lilly is not mentioned - and

they aren't the only company that would have been protected; Any maker of

vaccines would be. It may have been placed there by Eli Lilly's

suggestion - that I have no problem with. But I've read the proposed law

in the middle of all these arguments and find there is often a

misrepresentation of facts.

It also does not specifically discuss thimerosal, but says all vaccine

injury cases, including cases caused by the inactive components of the

vaccine, will go to the Vaccine court venue when lawsuits occur.

Right now, in the US, due to a *1986* law called the Vaccine Injury

Compensation Program, if your child is injured by the vaccine itself (not

the preservatives in it), you are *ALREADY SUBJECT TO THESE PROVISIONS*.

For instance, if the MMR causes autism - and being that the MMR never

contained thimersol - you are *ALREADY UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THIS

LAW*.

This could happen even without the law, as no current law defines a

vaccine as only a dead organism. However, this law does make it explicit

that any chemical approved by the government and knowingly used as part of

the " thing " injected into a human is part of the vaccine. That is ALL IT

DOES. The court system may very well have decided this on their own if

they had the chance.

It should be noted that this law may be a good thing because it allows you

to sue for damages without having to prove intent or guilt on the part of

the drug companies - it is actually *EASIER* to sue in that venue...The

only problem is that your lawyer will only get a chunk of your $250,000

award - not the uncapped damages he may get in federal court.

The bill included the following language (Homeland Security Bill):

SEC. 1714. CLARIFICATION OF DEFINITION OF MANUFACTURER.

Section 2133(3) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300aa-33(3))

is amended--

(1) in the first sentence, by striking `under its label any vaccine

set forth in the Vaccine Injury Table' and inserting `any vaccine

set forth in the Vaccine Injury table, including any component or

ingredient of any such vaccine'; and

(2) in the second sentence, by inserting `including any component or

ingredient of any such vaccine' before the period.

SEC. 1715. CLARIFICATION OF DEFINITION OF VACCINE-RELATED INJURY OR

DEATH.

Section 2133(5) of the Public Health Service Act

(42 U.S.C. 300aa-33(5)) is amended by adding at the end the

following: `For purposes of the preceding sentence, an adulterant or

contaminant shall not include any component or ingredient listed in a

vaccine's product license application or product label.'.

SEC. 1716. CLARIFICATION OF DEFINITION OF VACCINE.

Section 2133 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300aa-33) is

amended by adding at the end the following:

`(7) The term `vaccine' means any preparation or suspension, including

but not limited to a preparation or suspension containing an attenuated

or inactive microorganism or subunit thereof or toxin, developed or

administered to produce or enhance the body's immune response to a

disease or diseases and includes all components and ingredients listed

in the vaccine's product license application and product label.'.

SEC. 1717. EFFECTIVE DATE.

The amendments made by sections 1714, 1715, and 1716 shall apply to all

actions or proceedings pending on or after the date of enactment of

this Act, unless a court of competent jurisdiction has entered judgment

(regardless of whether the time for appeal has expired) in such action

or proceeding disposing of the entire action or proceeding.

As for the article...

> By Sheryl Gay Stolberg

> The New York Times

> December 01, 2002

<snip>

> The Counters' 6-year-old son, ph , was normal and

> healthy until he was 2, they say. Then he took an unexplained

> downward slide. Today, the boy struggles with words. He cannot zip

> his pants, snap buttons or tie his shoes. His parents say tests

> eventually showed that he had mercury poisoning, which they attribute

> to vaccines. They sued last year.

I'm not convinced that any mercury that would show up on a test years

later would be the vaccine. The body is growing. Mercury doesn't grow -

at worst it " sits there " in the body, but the concentration becomes less

and less as the child grows. And the amount is definitely not - even if

it was the type of mercury known to cause mercury poisoning (thimersol is

NOT known to cause mercury poisoning), it may only exceed guidelines

during a short period of time when the person vaccinated is an infant.

If there is mercury poisoning in a child years after the vaccine, it is

from another source.

If the theory is that " these children are more succeptable to mercury and

don't get rid of it so it just builds up " , and the other part of the

theory is " and it damages the brain during development " , I would also

expect to see mercury poisoning symptoms increase over the lifetime of the

person - after all, they are eating fish and such as they grow up...

Autism doesn't worsen though. Symptoms change, but that is easily

attributable to more benign mechanisms then the evil corporation.

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