Re: Re: husband's anger outbursts

January 16, 2005

Last winter we lost a grandson. It was my hubands only sons baby. Josh is

in the army and he was in Iraq when his wife went into labor. The baby was born

3 moths early. They let Josh come home which was great. But the baby only

lived a week. I have never seen my husband so depressed he only got out of bed

to

go to work I tried to get him to talk to the dr but he wouldn't. It was a few

months after that he was diagonosed with RA.

Diane

January 16, 2005

Last winter we lost a grandson. It was my hubands only sons baby. Josh is

in the army and he was in Iraq when his wife went into labor. The baby was born

3 moths early. They let Josh come home which was great. But the baby only

lived a week. I have never seen my husband so depressed he only got out of bed

to

go to work I tried to get him to talk to the dr but he wouldn't. It was a few

months after that he was diagonosed with RA.

Diane

January 16, 2005

Hi Larry,

I wondered if anyone else had animals that helped. I raise rabbits not for

meet just for pets. I love them and I spend a lot of time with them. We live

on a dairy farm too and that keeps me busy. I also am going to raise saint

bernards. I have a puppy 6 months old that weighs 65 pounds all ready ~~Take

care~~Diane

January 16, 2005

Hi Larry,

I wondered if anyone else had animals that helped. I raise rabbits not for

meet just for pets. I love them and I spend a lot of time with them. We live

on a dairy farm too and that keeps me busy. I also am going to raise saint

bernards. I have a puppy 6 months old that weighs 65 pounds all ready ~~Take

care~~Diane

January 16, 2005

That's true, dreamer. It's possible that it's a drug reaction. At the links

I provided, one side effecte listed for MTX is " mood alteration; " for

indomethacin, " depression and fatigue " and " psychic disturbances " are

mentioned.

The manufacturers list adverse reactions observed during the clinical trials

and those that they receive through voluntary reporting after the drug is on

the market. So, the " known " side effects don't always include adverse

reactions a given individual may experience.

Bottom line: ask the doctor!

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] Re: husband's anger outbursts

>

> Actually, mtx CAN do things to mood. I am not sure about the other med.

> SOmetimes when reading med inserts etc the wording is not totally clear -

> but mtx can cause strange mood symptoms. SO can lack of sleep, a person

> with a painful illness CAN have sleep difficulties, even if they are not

> obviously wide awake, they may not reach the restorative deeper stages of

> sleep, and this can also contribute to mood difficulties, especially if

> the sleep disruption is on going or long term.

>

> There is a grieving process that takes place with any chronic illness,

> grief for the future of your dreams being disrupted. Anger can be a stage

> of grief.

>

> Being in pain can lower the threshold for what a person can tolerate

> mentally or emotionally.

> But yes, Sierra is right, discuss it with a doc, help might definetly and

> most probably is available.

> It might be in the form of antidepressants or mood stabilizers or anti

> anxiety meds, or maybe better pain control or help with sleep or

> relaxation. Talk it over with the doc.

>

> - In , Kathe Sabetzadeh <lv2ryd@y...> wrote:

>> Hi: Sierra gave you good advice. Having RA alone or

>> Fibro alone can make anybody angry, frustrated, upset,

>> and feeling out of control of their lives, not to

>> mention just dang depressed (been there, I know) so it

>> is not too surprising he has been having these anger

>> spells. However, I found that taking an

>> antidepressant, Effexor EX for me, has helped me to

>> cope better with the anxiety and depression, anger and

>> denial, caused by these diseases - I have both too and

>> it is very difficult to cope sometimes with the pain

>> and disability they can cause. Please let you husband

>> know that he is not alone with these feelings but he

>> does neet to let his doctor know what is going on -

>> there is help. Best luck -

>>

>> Kathe in CA

>> --- snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003@y...> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > >

>> > > Hi,

>> > > I am new to the group. I have fibro and my

>> > husband has RA. He is

>> > > on indomethacin and methotrexate. He has

>> > terrible anger outbursts

>> > and I am

>> > > wondering if it is the medicine or the RA.

>> >

>> > Neither the meds he's on nor the RA are known to

>> > cause anger

>> > outbursts, however irritability and anger are

>> > symptoms of DEPRESSION.

>> > Depression can be a very serious problem, and should

>> > not be dismissed

>> > as an emotional reaction that will pass in time.

>> > Please make sure his

>> > doctor knows about the anger outbursts; it's VERY

>> > important.

>> >

>> > Sierra

>> >

January 16, 2005

That's true, dreamer. It's possible that it's a drug reaction. At the links

I provided, one side effecte listed for MTX is " mood alteration; " for

indomethacin, " depression and fatigue " and " psychic disturbances " are

mentioned.

The manufacturers list adverse reactions observed during the clinical trials

and those that they receive through voluntary reporting after the drug is on

the market. So, the " known " side effects don't always include adverse

reactions a given individual may experience.

Bottom line: ask the doctor!

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] Re: husband's anger outbursts

>

> Actually, mtx CAN do things to mood. I am not sure about the other med.

> SOmetimes when reading med inserts etc the wording is not totally clear -

> but mtx can cause strange mood symptoms. SO can lack of sleep, a person

> with a painful illness CAN have sleep difficulties, even if they are not

> obviously wide awake, they may not reach the restorative deeper stages of

> sleep, and this can also contribute to mood difficulties, especially if

> the sleep disruption is on going or long term.

>

> There is a grieving process that takes place with any chronic illness,

> grief for the future of your dreams being disrupted. Anger can be a stage

> of grief.

>

> Being in pain can lower the threshold for what a person can tolerate

> mentally or emotionally.

> But yes, Sierra is right, discuss it with a doc, help might definetly and

> most probably is available.

> It might be in the form of antidepressants or mood stabilizers or anti

> anxiety meds, or maybe better pain control or help with sleep or

> relaxation. Talk it over with the doc.

>

> - In , Kathe Sabetzadeh <lv2ryd@y...> wrote:

>> Hi: Sierra gave you good advice. Having RA alone or

>> Fibro alone can make anybody angry, frustrated, upset,

>> and feeling out of control of their lives, not to

>> mention just dang depressed (been there, I know) so it

>> is not too surprising he has been having these anger

>> spells. However, I found that taking an

>> antidepressant, Effexor EX for me, has helped me to

>> cope better with the anxiety and depression, anger and

>> denial, caused by these diseases - I have both too and

>> it is very difficult to cope sometimes with the pain

>> and disability they can cause. Please let you husband

>> know that he is not alone with these feelings but he

>> does neet to let his doctor know what is going on -

>> there is help. Best luck -

>>

>> Kathe in CA

>> --- snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003@y...> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > >

>> > > Hi,

>> > > I am new to the group. I have fibro and my

>> > husband has RA. He is

>> > > on indomethacin and methotrexate. He has

>> > terrible anger outbursts

>> > and I am

>> > > wondering if it is the medicine or the RA.

>> >

>> > Neither the meds he's on nor the RA are known to

>> > cause anger

>> > outbursts, however irritability and anger are

>> > symptoms of DEPRESSION.

>> > Depression can be a very serious problem, and should

>> > not be dismissed

>> > as an emotional reaction that will pass in time.

>> > Please make sure his

>> > doctor knows about the anger outbursts; it's VERY

>> > important.

>> >

>> > Sierra

>> >

January 16, 2005

Diane, that is so sad. I'm very sorry about the loss of your grandson.

Sounds like you and your husband have been through some very stressful

times.

Would your husband consider going to get counseling? Would he talk to

someone at your church if you have one?

I hope Josh is home safe or will be coming home very soon.

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: husband's anger outbursts

>

> Last winter we lost a grandson. It was my hubands only sons baby. Josh is

> in the army and he was in Iraq when his wife went into labor. The baby was

> born

> 3 moths early. They let Josh come home which was great. But the baby only

> lived a week. I have never seen my husband so depressed he only got out of

> bed to

> go to work I tried to get him to talk to the dr but he wouldn't. It was a

> few

> months after that he was diagonosed with RA.

> Diane

January 16, 2005

Diane, that is so sad. I'm very sorry about the loss of your grandson.

Sounds like you and your husband have been through some very stressful

times.

Would your husband consider going to get counseling? Would he talk to

someone at your church if you have one?

I hope Josh is home safe or will be coming home very soon.

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Re: husband's anger outbursts

>

> Last winter we lost a grandson. It was my hubands only sons baby. Josh is

> in the army and he was in Iraq when his wife went into labor. The baby was

> born

> 3 moths early. They let Josh come home which was great. But the baby only

> lived a week. I have never seen my husband so depressed he only got out of

> bed to

> go to work I tried to get him to talk to the dr but he wouldn't. It was a

> few

> months after that he was diagonosed with RA.

> Diane

January 16, 2005

Thnks so much everyone for your support. Josh was able to come home from

Iraq and now for 3 years he wll be able to be a recruiter . He is going to N

Carolina for training then he will be transfered from fort carson somewhere

else he does not know where yet.

I am trying to be more helpful to my husband now that I understand RA

better thanks to all of you. Thw winter time is not too great on either of us

Diane

January 16, 2005

Thnks so much everyone for your support. Josh was able to come home from

Iraq and now for 3 years he wll be able to be a recruiter . He is going to N

Carolina for training then he will be transfered from fort carson somewhere

else he does not know where yet.

I am trying to be more helpful to my husband now that I understand RA

better thanks to all of you. Thw winter time is not too great on either of us

Diane

January 16, 2005

Hi Larry:

You sound like a terrific person. Your wife is lucky to have you. It is

amazing all that you do besides having RA. God bless you. However, I have

something in common with you. I don't take the usual RA meds either since I

have a

Kidney Transplant. It is not safe for me to take them with the transplant.

I do have the duragesic patches that my Doctor prescribed for me though. They

are wonderful. Otherwise I would have terrible pain due to the fact I was in

2 car accidents and got thrown out of the car in one. I have spinal

stenosis, among several other things. Including Osteoporosis, Osteoarthritis,

DDD,

Sciatica, Gout, RA, Fibromyalgia, hypertension, anemia, reflux, a rotator cuff

injury, asthma, and atelectasis (a lung disorder where I have great difficulty

with breathing when I get up and walk a little). I also had an injury to both

my knees when I fell and ruptured tendons in both knees and had surgery to

correct the paralysis. However, I am lucky I can walk but I have to go slow.

Well, I just wanted to say thank God for my Doctor for giving me the

Duragesic patches. They are a God-Send. I have very little pain with them and

I

don't have any side effects or drugged feeling from them. I can't understand

why

more Doctors don't give them to pain patients. I guess they are afraid to use

them, I am glad my Doctor isn't. I think they are great. I have been on

them for 3 years now and they help me feel so much better than I did.

Good luck to you and to the little doggies.

Sincerely,

Anjillah@...

January 16, 2005

Hi Larry:

You sound like a terrific person. Your wife is lucky to have you. It is

amazing all that you do besides having RA. God bless you. However, I have

something in common with you. I don't take the usual RA meds either since I

have a

Kidney Transplant. It is not safe for me to take them with the transplant.

I do have the duragesic patches that my Doctor prescribed for me though. They

are wonderful. Otherwise I would have terrible pain due to the fact I was in

2 car accidents and got thrown out of the car in one. I have spinal

stenosis, among several other things. Including Osteoporosis, Osteoarthritis,

DDD,

Sciatica, Gout, RA, Fibromyalgia, hypertension, anemia, reflux, a rotator cuff

injury, asthma, and atelectasis (a lung disorder where I have great difficulty

with breathing when I get up and walk a little). I also had an injury to both

my knees when I fell and ruptured tendons in both knees and had surgery to

correct the paralysis. However, I am lucky I can walk but I have to go slow.

Well, I just wanted to say thank God for my Doctor for giving me the

Duragesic patches. They are a God-Send. I have very little pain with them and

I

don't have any side effects or drugged feeling from them. I can't understand

why

more Doctors don't give them to pain patients. I guess they are afraid to use

them, I am glad my Doctor isn't. I think they are great. I have been on

them for 3 years now and they help me feel so much better than I did.

Good luck to you and to the little doggies.

Sincerely,

Anjillah@...

January 18, 2005

Hi Diane,

If I am getting this right you lost your grandson? Your husband is going through

a depression? If this is the case Please try to get him to try to talk out his

feelings. Maybe write them out if he can, ANYTHING to get the feelings OUT of

his mind and body so that he won't shut down or swallow it.

I say this because this is what my father did many years ago when my Parents

lost my sister when she was four and a half months old. He held up like a stone

wall. But family life like we knew it was NEVER like it was before.

He was and still is a miserable man and he is eighty six years old. All because

he could not deal with his feelings, even his psychiatrist told my mom that.

They even hypnotized him and he would not let go, especially the more years that

went by, the more determined and sick my dad became. There were other things

also that made him ill. But not dealing with this loss was a big part of it.

My prayers and love are with you! May you endure this truly sad time of

grieving and may the God of all comfort be with you.

Hugs,

Nan in Mich.

RubyAcreRabbitry@... wrote:

Thnks so much everyone for your support. Josh was able to come home from

Iraq and now for 3 years he wll be able to be a recruiter . He is going to N

Carolina for training then he will be transfered from fort carson somewhere

else he does not know where yet.

I am trying to be more helpful to my husband now that I understand RA

better thanks to all of you. Thw winter time is not too great on either of us

Diane

January 18, 2005