Re: Digest Number 898

January 24, 2001

most of the digests i get these days come in as an attachment that is too

large to open.

any way to scooch the size back down into e-mail body copy length?

January 24, 2001

,

Unless there is something at that is adjustable, which I

doubt, no. But, length shouldn't be a problem. What email browser are

you using?

jim

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January 24, 2001

could Please give me a break

don't you feel you are too much

i received your email so many every day.

i never contact with you.

please do not send again. Ok?

h202

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> Anyone know where I can get food grade h2o2?

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> Thanks,

> Dan

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January 24, 2001

This Rossetti post looks to have a Chinese server. I will send the

person the cut and pasted unsub instruction. Maybe he or she can get

some help from someone to unsubscribe. J.

February 26, 2001

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> There are 25 messages in this issue.

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> Topics in this digest:

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> 1. Re: Re: hoarding

> From: jackie48hr@...

> 2. Re: Digest Number 862

> From: Mainla@...

> 3. Not Good Socially

> From: GPesses@...

> 4. Hoarders

> From: GPesses@...

> 5. Re: Not Good Socially

> From: mary3591@...

> 6. Re: Hoarders

> From: " W. Birkhan " <wb4@...>

> 7. insurance fights

> From: Conn <lmconn@...>

> 8. Ask Dr. Chansky

> From: Greta Beard <gbeard@...>

> 9. Ask Dr. Geller

> From: Greta Beard <gbeard@...>

> 10. Re: Changing Compulsions?

> From: lovelymamu@...

> 11. To Greta

> From: " Louis Harkins " <lharkins@...>

> 12. Intensive Inpatient Program

> From: Greta Beard <gbeard@...>

> 13. Re: Re: Changing Compulsions?

> From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

> 14. ERP....cognitively

> From: michael_flynn@...

> 15. Re: hoarding again

> From: dana carvalho <danacar@...>

> 16. Re: Re: Changing Compulsions?

> From: jackie48hr@...

> 17. side effects?

> From: dana carvalho <danacar@...>

> 18. Re: hoarding again-

> From: Teela Blue <teelablue@...>

> 19. Re: Not Good Socially

> From: dana carvalho <danacar@...>

> 20. Re: hoarding again-Kathy R

> From: Teela Blue <teelablue@...>

> 21. Re: hoarding lampshades

> From: Teela Blue <teelablue@...>

> 22. Re: hoarding again-

> From: Teela Blue <teelablue@...>

> 23. Re: Not Good Socially

> From: " " <sixchiens@...>

> 24. Re: Hoarding List?????

> From: Teela Blue <teelablue@...>

> 25. Re: Intensive Inpatient Program

> From: " " <sixchiens@...>

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:03:02 EST

> From: jackie48hr@...

> Subject: Re: Re: hoarding

>

> I know just what you mean Kathy. I once had a Christmas present for

> that was so big I didn't want to have to haul it up the steps to our

> apartment. So I " hid " it in the back seat of my car - he never noticed!

> Jackie

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> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:18:28 EST

> From: Mainla@...

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 862

>

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> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:20:37 EST

> From: GPesses@...

> Subject: Not Good Socially

>

> We've gone through a lot of what you described with . When OCd is

> raging, our kids have to devote so much effort to containng it around other

> children that they don't have the energy to interact with their peers. Plus,

> their thoughts are focused on OCD-related issues and so they do not pick up

> social cues from other kids that would help them fit in. also had some

> identifiable OCD behaviors at school, i.e. frequent hand washing, that other

> kids found odd. Add to all of that the accompanying depression that OCd

> often brings with it and their social skills plummet.

>

> This is quite painful for them, as you know. used to cry to us

> about being different than other kids.

>

> The bright side is that once the OCD is more contained, through ERP and

> meds, the social end rebounds also. While I'm less than enthusiatic about

> our present therapist, she HAS done a good job with helping learn how

> to make friends and fit in. That has done wonders for !

>

> Gail in N'Awlins

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> Message: 4

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:24:30 EST

> From: GPesses@...

> Subject: Hoarders

>

> Dear Kathy R.,

>

> IMHO, it does not matter to me how or why Harold hoards - my response is

> that, like Lesli, I warn him of impending doom, in the form of throwing stuff

> out, then repeat the warning. Then, without further fanfare, I strike! And

> yes, even with warning, I bury it all at the bottom of the trash bag, away

> from prying eyes and hands. I am selective in pitching stuff. I don't throw

> away obvious sentimental things, though I do truly wonder how strong CAN you

> be attached to 20+ bowling trophies? Nor do I fool with business/tax/bank

> papers. But the rest is fair game!!!

>

> Gail in N'Awlins

>

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> Message: 5

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:45:35 EST

> From: mary3591@...

> Subject: Re: Not Good Socially

>

> In a message dated 2/26/01 1:27:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> @... writes:

>

> > However, he's just the sweetest kid; he was also the most even-

> > tempered until OCD. He's not shy, but kids label him " weird " even

> > before this OCD stuff. His fine motor skills have always been behind

> > though he does play soccer (just not well). I've watched him at

> > times around other kids, and he just DOES NOT fit in. It's like he's

> > not on their level somehow. Anyone else with a child like this??

> >

>

> That describes my son exactly.

> is 10 and is a very sweet bright little boy.....but his teachers

> tell me that the other kids pick on him and see him as odd.

> His main OCD traits are hair pulling and shredding things...expecially

> clothing. Sometimes he comes home from school with his large holes in his

> pants or shirts.

>

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> Message: 6

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:54:25 -0500

> From: " W. Birkhan " <wb4@...>

> Subject: Re: Hoarders

>

> Gail our mardi gras queen, KathyR and Lesli,

>

> While its great to throw away what we call junk, to our hoarders, these

> are precious items!! The collecting of the items is a compulsion. We have to

> treat the reactions to the anxiety like any other ocd exposure. If we can

> dispose of items without causing anxiety - great! The problem is really in

> the collecting of it, though!

>

> Pre-treatment times, I found a waist high (ok, thigh high for you) pile of

> catalogues in Tom's room. I was about to touch one to see what they were,

> when he screamed at me like I had slapped him!! I told him that they were

> just out of date and junk, dusk collectors - all kinds of seemingly rational

> things... but he could not understand me. His catalogues were as important

> to him as any other ritual. He had over 10,000 hockey cards at the same

> time. He also had several hundred baseball cards that he would give away 'as

> if' he was parting from his collection - until i caught on to it!

>

> Parting from old clothing is hard for a lot of people. My experiences here

> are that if they know where they are going (friend, charity,...) its easier

> to remove it from home. I have heard my crew say that clothing can't be

> garbage and must be recycled! At one point I had several shirts to use for

> sewing patches, but since they were mine and that phase moved on quickly

> (hehehe) I parted with the rags fairly quickly!

>

> Like Jay and his mother, I also remember our serious hoarding days as a

> time when nothing could be moved or touched without causing a level of

> anxiety.

>

> I look around today and happily accept a level of clutter - since its

> about 80% less than it was 3 years ago! Our garage looks less like a

> hardware store, the basement is not so full, ziv's cupboard doors open and

> close and even tom has stopped many of his collections!

>

> take care all - wendy, in canada

> ==================================

> > IMHO, it does not matter to me how or why Harold hoards - my response

> >is that, like Lesli, I warn him of impending doom, in the form of throwing

> >stuff out, then repeat the warning. Then, without further fanfare, I

> >strike! And yes, even with warning, I bury it all at the bottom of the

> >trash bag, away from prying eyes and hands. I am selective in pitching

> >stuff. I don't throw away obvious sentimental things, though I do truly

> >wonder how strong CAN you be attached to 20+ bowling trophies? Nor do I

> >fool with business/tax/bank papers. But the rest is fair game!!!

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> Message: 7

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:46:40 -0600

> From: Conn <lmconn@...>

> Subject: insurance fights

>

> Today I actually got an apology phone call from our case manager at our

insurance! He had gotten my 1st appeal denied for our out-of-network therapist

because he said he'd found a in-network one who could do er & p. When I called

her, she told me that she didn't do it, but had treated other ocd kids with

varying methods, yada, yada. The case mgr called her back, she set him straight

and even passed on glowing praises from her colleagues about our therapist.

After he apologized, he transferred me to the appeals dept. where I formally

asked for a second appeal. They said they would let me know within 72 hours. I

don't want to be over confident or jinx anything, but I think I've got them

beat!

> hopefully,

> in TX

>

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> Message: 8

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:09:07 -0800

> From: Greta Beard <gbeard@...>

> Subject: Ask Dr. Chansky

>

> Dr. Chansky:

>

> My 15 3/4 yo daughter is very bothered by symmetry issues with her OCD. If

> she is touched on unevenly (one side of the body and not the other or more

> lightly on one side than the other), she experiences " prickly " sensations in

> the side that was not touched properly. This seems to be the most

> disturbing affect of the OCD on her currently.

>

> She spent 9 months in " talk " therapy for depression. About 1 1/2 months

> ago, we switched her to a therapist who is beginning to do CBT with E & RP.

> I'm not sure if it is fear of the therapy or just being tired of trying with

> very little improvement, but recently she decided to go off all her meds and

> we just found out she has tried both alcohol and pot. She told us that when

> she tried the pot, it was the first time that she has felt free of the

> " symmetry " problem.

>

> Naturally, we do not want her to use pot to cope with her OCD. However, I

> think she feels hopeless that anything will every help.

>

> My question for you is related to E & RP for this type of OCD:

>

> * What types of exposures work for this type of OCD?

> * How much relief can this provide?

>

> I want to be able to encourage her that there is hope and I want to be

> realistic with her about how good it can get. Thanks for your help.

>

> Greta in Oregon

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 9

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:23:11 -0800

> From: Greta Beard <gbeard@...>

> Subject: Ask Dr. Geller

>

> Dr. Geller:

>

> My 15 3/4 yo daughter is very bothered by symmetry issues with her OCD. If

> she is touched unevenly (one side of the body and not the other or more

> lightly on one side than the other), she experiences " prickly " sensations in

> the side that was not touched properly. This seems to be the most

> disturbing affect of the OCD on her currently.

>

> She has been on Zoloft (100 mg), Paxil (20 mg), Wellbutrin and Zyprexa at

> different times. Currently she is on 250 mg of Luvox and taking Ambien to

> help her sleep at night. About 1 1/2 months ago, we switched her to a

> therapist who is beginning to do CBT with E & RP. Unfortunately, at the same

> time she began seeing a new psychiatrist who told her he disagreed with how

> her therapist was approaching her treatment.

>

> She is very frustrated with the disagreement between providers and I think

> is questioning whether anyone really knows what is wrong or how to help her

> get better. Schizophrenia has also been mentioned as a possibility.

> However, again, the providers are not sure or in agreement. We just found

> out she has tried both alcohol and pot. She told us that when she tried the

> pot, it was the first time that she has felt free of the " symmetry " problem.

>

> Naturally, we do not want her to use pot to cope with her OCD. However, I

> think she feels hopeless that anything will every help.

>

> My questions for you are:

>

> * Are there any medications that work best for this " symmetry " type

> OCD?

> * Would you question a psychiatrist who does not believe in CBT for

> OCD?

> * Is it ethical for a prescribing psychiatrist to question the

> therapist's methods to a teen patient without discussing his concerns first

> with the parents?

>

> I want to be able to encourage her that there is hope and I want to be

> realistic with her about how good it can get. Thanks for your help.

>

> Greta Beard

> Enterprise Systems Group

> Willamette Industries, Inc.

> (503) 227-5581 (x5206)

> Fax (503) 273-5602

> gbeard@...

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 10

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:40:54 -0000

> From: lovelymamu@...

> Subject: Re: Changing Compulsions?

>

> Hi Jackie,

> Does the severity of the symptoms come and go also? There are some

> days he's doing it ALL day. Then, there are days where he only does

> it part of the day.

> He's only four so it's hard to get through to him with the CBT. The

> psychiatrist wanted to put him on Prozac but I just feel like he is

> so young to be taking that. If the therapy doesn't help him before he

> starts kindergarten in July, then We'll have to put him on the

> medication.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Kristie )

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 11

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:44:22 -0500

> From: " Louis Harkins " <lharkins@...>

> Subject: To Greta

>

> Hi Greta,

>

> Your posts have been forwarded to Dr. Chansky and Dr. Geller.

>

> Take care.

>

> Louis

> lharkins@...

>

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>

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> Message: 12

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:05:35 -0800

> From: Greta Beard <gbeard@...>

> Subject: Intensive Inpatient Program

>

> I think we are at the point where we need to consider a comprehensive

> inpatient program for . She has lost confidence that anything will

> ever help. I'd like to line up a program for the summer so she could use

> the time off from school to focus on understanding and dealing with her OCD

> and other psychiatric issues. We definitely need a full assessment. Does

> anyone have any ideas on where to find such a place for a 16 yo?

>

> Greta in Oregon

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 13

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:49:25 -0500

> From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Changing Compulsions?

>

> Hi Kristie, my daughter's OCD began abruptly when she was four. I can say

> that yes that her compulsions changed in content and severity pretty

> routinely. It seems this may be particularly true in the very young kids,

> and Kel's are more settled now than then (she's seven.) Kel at that age

> would explain OCD would " forget " about something, but then as soon as he

> " remembered " she'd have to do it again. Or sometimes she'd say OCD had

> given up about something (to explain why she no longer did a certain " bad

> thing " her term for compulsions.)

>

> If you decide to use meds, I would suggest that you begin them well in

> advance of school starting, as sometimes there can be a settling-in period

> where he may experience behavior and/or physical side-effects. For example,

> my daughter was very activated on Prozac, slept very little, and could not

> sit still--not a good situation for beginning a school career.

>

> Kathy R in Indiana

>

> Re: hoarding again-

>

> so glad I could help.. big hugs Teela

>

> _______________________________________________________

>

April 13, 2001

Sandi, I do know there is a camp in Cincinnati called Camp Wekando (we can

do) and it is a wonderful camp. If you would like more info let me

know....Donna

June 15, 2001

JEANNE IN PENN:

--- I know your insurance adjuster is not being fair ....... --- and he wants to decontaminate only one room in your home even though my sampling data shows that there are significant levels of highly pathogenic mold in almost every room of your home.........

--- and you and your family (with small children ) were forced out of your home

--- BUT do not take your vacuum cleaner bag of dust and dirt from your

entire home into his office and dump it on his desk.

That is a real BAD idea.

--- Going to the media ( print and TV ) may be helpful to get an insurance adjuster or insurance claims manager off " dead center " and let them do a story on how you were forced out of your home with pictures of your black walls, your children in the front yard,etc. but get your attorney's permission. Remember, local print and TV stories are often picked up by the national wire services and networks if the story is newsworthy. I am not suggesting this, but national insurance companies are very sensitive to bad press. The major pest control companies are suffering from websites maintained by disgruntled pesticide poisoned victims that did not get justice and are attacking them on the internet and encouraging other people to tell their horror stories. These are followed by the press and supported by the courts............(first amendment rights I believe).

DR. RICHARD L. LIPSEY

UNIV. OF NORTH FLORIDA

PROFESSOR AND TOXICOLOGIST

RESUME, 2001--DR. R. LIPSEY (www.richardlipsey.com)

May 24, 2002

In a message dated 5/24/02 11:28:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

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> Hi ... I am expecting my third child in October and I am

> worried too. My oldest daughter is autistic and my almost 3 year old

> is NT.

>

> Lyn

>

Congratulations! I'll be praying for you. It is nice to find someone else

who understands. People act like I SHOULDN'T be worried because I have one

NT daughter. Sorry, I'm going to worry...lol. However, I am starting to

feel better after hearing back from a few people about this subject.

Again, Congrats! When in October are you due? My 9th anniversary will be

October 16th.

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Some with a new age twist, like incence. I took a long break after my

daughter was born, am trying to get new ideas that don't call for exotic

ingredients.

> Name: Kathleen

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May 19, 2004

bG, can you expand on this idea? We use several "pulsers," which are you talking about? Robb's high power DC pulser, or the AC frequency dependent "doug machine" we use?

So you are saying to run the Godzilla and the "pulser" at the same time for an increased effect?

I see the big magnetic pulser is there in the group's photos, along with other things. If godzilla is used in the body and induced current is also provided in such a way as to criss-cross the direction, it could result in an amplifier effect. So, if you use your chair back coil idea along with electrodes on top of head and at balls of feet using godzilla at around .5-1.0mA (one milliamp, max) you would theoretically have a fairly strong current running head to toe, and with the pulser, it would be pushed temporarily higher all through the body in a sort of giant wave. This should be tried very slowly with godzilla at lowest settings possible, and gradually increased to the levels I mentioned. Use at own risk. i'm not a doctor, nor electrician or electronics engineer, just guessing here.bG

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May 19, 2004

I'm not sure how much current if anything is generated by the pulser

inside the body and for how long. That would be a determinant of

the kill power electrically. The heat effect on the microbes from

the mag pulser is also a factor. Godzilla generates almost no heat.

Physically, if the microbes are moved around due to the mag jolt,

even if almost no current is obtained from the mag pulser alone,

more microbes might be moved into the path of the godzilla's

electric flow, microbes that might not normally be available when

the pulser is not being used.

...if you run both at same time, the godzilla has a meter on which

you can see if anything is added to the current in the body by the

mag pulser jolt or not, that's one interesting piece of info.

Those using it for general pain, etc should not see much difference,

as there may be nothing microbial there.

bG

> So you are saying to run the Godzilla and the " pulser " at the same

time for

> an increased effect?

May 19, 2004

I think you under estimate the power of the mag pulser, its dose induce a

considerable current. and unlike the godzilla it induces a current over a

wide area. check your phyiscs books on how that works. You are under the

opinion that the magnetic field moves lyph and microbes around. But I dont

think it does that it jsut inducese a current with each expansion and

contraction of the magnetic field. It is strong enough to produce flashing

in the eyes so it has as much power as a godzilla running atn low current fo

the breif instant the mag fieled expands or contracts.

Also a few people have been gettnig pain relief from using the godzilla.

So dont be to hasty in discounting all these things based on your beliefs.

There is more to the godzilla than microbial ..... the body itsely operates

off of electricity and there are some dircet effect.

Godzilla is not ONLY for killing microbes it has other functions as well

Expand your mind.

V