Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)

June 6, 2011

Hi Janette,

did you meet any LLMDs from Colorado (Bouler area)?

Thanks,

Anne

June 6, 2011

Have you looked into Dr. Burascano?

>

> hi everyone.

>

> it is interesting that this has come up as a few weeks ago in

> desperation to find a dr who can help me i talked with ron at dr k's

> office about getting an appt with someone there, not particularly dr

> k as his waiting list is a year. it would be a huge stretch/fantasy

> for me to even think about going out west, i live in vermont and a

> visit to a local doctor does me in. but i've been following the

> research and protocols from dr k since maybe 2002 and always hoped

> someone here would be willing to look into his work.

>

> ron's comments to me were that i was way too sick/sensitive to see dr

> k, that he is german, he is a guy and too forceful! he suggested if

> i wanted to see someone it would be a dr b. dont' know anything

> about her.

>

> are there any of these great dr's like susan and linda h and janette

> have back east???anyone???

>

> hope to be able to be posting a bit more now, not feeling better but

> i gained all the weight i lost last year so i'm quite pleased.

>

> many hugs to you all,

> susie

>

June 7, 2011

hi susan, no i haven't.....i saw dr h for 4+ years, do you think he'd be much different?xos Have you looked into Dr. Burascano? > > hi everyone. > > it is interesting that this has come up as a few weeks ago in > desperation to find a dr who can help me i talked with ron at dr k's > office about getting an appt with someone there, not particularly dr > k as his waiting list is a year. it would be a huge stretch/fantasy > for me to even think about going out west, i live in vermont and a > visit to a local doctor does me in. but i've been following the > research and protocols from dr k since maybe 2002 and always hoped > someone here would be willing to look into his work. > > ron's comments to me were that i was way too sick/sensitive to see dr > k, that he is german, he is a guy and too forceful! he suggested if > i wanted to see someone it would be a dr b. dont' know anything > about her. > > are there any of these great dr's like susan and linda h and janette > have back east???anyone??? > > hope to be able to be posting a bit more now, not feeling better but > i gained all the weight i lost last year so i'm quite pleased. > > many hugs to you all, > susie >

June 7, 2011

I don't know a whole lot about him other then he had Lyme and recovered from it.

I know that he is listed as one of the more well known Lyme Docs. It might be

worth a try with him. I think if I was looking for a good Lyme Doc, I would go

to Cowden. He does the Laser detox protocol that I think is very helpful for

those of us who have detox issues.

> > >

> > > hi everyone.

> > >

> > > it is interesting that this has come up as a few weeks ago in

> > > desperation to find a dr who can help me i talked with ron at dr k's

> > > office about getting an appt with someone there, not particularly dr

> > > k as his waiting list is a year. it would be a huge stretch/fantasy

> > > for me to even think about going out west, i live in vermont and a

> > > visit to a local doctor does me in. but i've been following the

> > > research and protocols from dr k since maybe 2002 and always hoped

> > > someone here would be willing to look into his work.

> > >

> > > ron's comments to me were that i was way too sick/sensitive to

> > see dr

> > > k, that he is german, he is a guy and too forceful! he suggested if

> > > i wanted to see someone it would be a dr b. dont' know anything

> > > about her.

> > >

> > > are there any of these great dr's like susan and linda h and janette

> > > have back east???anyone???

> > >

> > > hope to be able to be posting a bit more now, not feeling better but

> > > i gained all the weight i lost last year so i'm quite pleased.

> > >

> > > many hugs to you all,

> > > susie

> > >

> >

>

June 7, 2011

Thanks Janette for understanding my feelings. I know that he is getting very

busy and he needs to reassess how much he can do in my view. I was so looking

forward to hearing him speak on Cheryl's Lyme Hope teleseminar, Dr Cowden, Dr

Zhang, Dr Grindstaff have all been featured on her show. I was not surprised

that Dr. Klinghardt cancelled due to his busy lifestyle. I just think he needs

to realize that when he over extends himself, that there are implications that

affect others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without

> > warning " ...hahaha.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've

> > had

> > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.

> > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like

> > 'pen'

> > > > on my

> > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I

> > don't

> > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in

> > effect

> > > > it?

> > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't

> > believe

> > > > that

> > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone know

> > > > what that

> > > > > > > is called?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to

> > his

> > > > office

> > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his practice.

> > The

> > > > one I

> > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than what

> > was

> > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree

> > with

> > > > you on

> > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire

> > staff.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she

> > had

> > > > a

> > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly

> > she

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a

> > boat

> > > > load

> > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,

> > > > injecting

> > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is

> > > > personal, but

> > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and

> > > > symptoms. If

> > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his

> > > > staff if

> > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how

> > disease

> > > > free

> > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says

> > you

> > > > are -

> > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > *

> >

> > >

> > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > >

> > > www.abAloe.com/178

> > >

> > > *

> > >

> >

>

> --

> *

>

> " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

>

> ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

>

> ALGAE: www.

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June 7, 2011

thanks alwasy susan. i did read dr b's story of how he treated himself. intense. i once had an evaluation with dr dp, one of cowden's laser practitioners. maybe... xos I don't know a whole lot about him other then he had Lyme and recovered from it. I know that he is listed as one of the more well known Lyme Docs. It might be worth a try with him. I think if I was looking for a good Lyme Doc, I would go to Cowden. He does the Laser detox protocol that I think is very helpful for those of us who have detox issues. > > hi susan, > > no i haven't.....i saw dr h for 4+ years, do you think he'd be much > different? > > xos

June 7, 2011

It is time we stopped making Gods out of doctors. People, realize that WE have

the tools to heal ourselves from Lyme! Educate yourself on all treatments. Then

choose one and go for it. Have confidence in yourself. We can actually make

better choices than many doctors who are supposedly so credentialed. Educate

yourself!! No doctor will ever care as much for your health and well being as

you and your loved ones do!! I have experienced the behavior described

from several doctors over the years. In this country medicine has become all

about money with doctors not even necessarily giving us anything at all of value

in return for the big bucks we pay them!! That's why WHO rated American

medicine so low - there are 30-something to 40-something countries who were

rated higher in medical care than the U.S. However, we are still rated #1 in

cost. That speaks volumes!!

Learn from it!!

WAF

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without

> > > warning " ...hahaha.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've

> > > had

> > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.

> > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like

> > > 'pen'

> > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I

> > > don't

> > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in

> > > effect

> > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't

> > > believe

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it

> > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone

know

> > > > > what that

> > > > > > > > is called?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to

> > > his

> > > > > office

> > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his

practice.

> > > The

> > > > > one I

> > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than

what

> > > was

> > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree

> > > with

> > > > > you on

> > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire

> > > staff.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she

> > > had

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly

> > > she

> > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a

> > > boat

> > > > > load

> > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,

> > > > > injecting

> > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is

> > > > > personal, but

> > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and

> > > > > symptoms. If

> > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his

> > > > > staff if

> > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how

> > > disease

> > > > > free

> > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says

> > > you

> > > > > are -

> > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *

> > >

> > > >

> > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > >

> > > > www.abAloe.com/178

> > > >

> > > > *

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > --

> > *

> >

> > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> >

> > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

> >

> > ALGAE: www.

> >

simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolution\

s>

> >

> > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

> >

> > " Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is

> > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by itself? "

> > Tao Te Ching 15th Century

> > www.iahp.com/janettewarren

> >

> > " if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word

> > remove in the subject line. "

> >

> > *

> >

>

June 7, 2011

Dr DP that susie mentions has trained with Klinghardt and also uses the laser detox.He is based out of West Palm Beach.Fl but will travel to different parts of the country to see patients if you arrange a day full of patients to see him from your area.I saw him while in Vermont and then he came to Pensacolam Florida once a month .Now I live closer to his main office and will see him there.he is inexpensive compared to other drs . he only uses herbal protocols . His initial exam visit is only 300.he uses ART and laser detox so he has picked up things from both Klinghardt and others.he is an extremely compassionate man.janRe: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience) Posted by: "S & D Darrah" darrahs@... lymesoda Date: Tue Jun 7, 2011 4:02 am

((PDT))thanks alwasy susan. i did read dr b's story of how he treated himself. intense. i once had an evaluation with dr dp, one of cowden's laser practitioners. maybe... xos "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

June 7, 2011

A wholehearted DITTO!!

What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a

doctor...lol

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without

> > > > warning " ...hahaha.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do.

I've

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.

> > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like

> > > > 'pen'

> > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in

> > > > effect

> > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't

> > > > believe

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether

it

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone

know

> > > > > > what that

> > > > > > > > > is called?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM

> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my

experience)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going

to

> > > > his

> > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his

practice.

> > > > The

> > > > > > one I

> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than

what

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree

> > > > with

> > > > > > you on

> > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire

> > > > staff.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him -

she

> > > > had

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly

> > > > she

> > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has

a

> > > > boat

> > > > > > load

> > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,

> > > > > > injecting

> > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is

> > > > > > personal, but

> > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs

and

> > > > > > symptoms. If

> > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask

his

> > > > > > staff if

> > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how

> > > > disease

> > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he

says

> > > > you

> > > > > > are -

> > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > *

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > >

> > > > > www.abAloe.com/178

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > *

> > >

> > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > >

> > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

> > >

> > > ALGAE: www.

> > >

simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolution\

s>

> > >

> > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

> > >

> > > " Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is

> > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by

itself? "

> > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century

> > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren

> > >

> > > " if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word

> > > remove in the subject line. "

> > >

> > > *

> > >

> >

>

June 7, 2011

LOL, that's funny!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without

> > > > > warning " ...hahaha.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do.

I've

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.

> > > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal

like

> > > > > 'pen'

> > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me.

I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is

in

> > > > > effect

> > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell

whether it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone

know

> > > > > > > what that

> > > > > > > > > > is called?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my

experience)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are

going to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his

practice.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > one I

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than

what

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would

agree

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > you on

> > > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire

> > > > > staff.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him -

she

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But

mostly

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also

has a

> > > > > boat

> > > > > > > load

> > > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own

urine,

> > > > > > > injecting

> > > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is

> > > > > > > personal, but

> > > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs

and

> > > > > > > symptoms. If

> > > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask

his

> > > > > > > staff if

> > > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state

how

> > > > > disease

> > > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he

says

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > are -

> > > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > www.abAloe.com/178

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *

> > > >

> > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > >

> > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

> > > >

> > > > ALGAE: www.

> > > >

simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolution\

s>

> > > >

> > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

> > > >

> > > > " Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is

> > > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by

itself? "

> > > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century

> > > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren

> > > >

> > > > " if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the

word

> > > > remove in the subject line. "

> > > >

> > > > *

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 7, 2011

I consider Nature's innate tendancy to heal as Holy. The truly great doctors acknowledge that Nature is the true healer. Often, while fighting Lyme, I've thought of the middle ages, when priests were the required intermediaries between ordinary folk and the Deity. So today, have doctors become the priests of healing. To the credit of both groups, many have served with the very best of intentions, but failed to acknowledge what is accessible within each one of us and within caring, knowledgeable communities. We Lymies seem to be leading a reformation or revolution, and I hope that as we recover, we can inspire others to embrace what Nature gave us all.Be well,LénaA wholehearted DITTO!!What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a doctor...lol > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without> > > > warning"...hahaha.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've> > > > had> > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.> > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like> > > > 'pen'> > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I> > > > don't> > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in> > > > effect> > > > > > it?> > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't> > > > believe> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it> > > > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone know> > > > > > what that> > > > > > > > > is called?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to> > > > his> > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his practice.> > > > The> > > > > > one I> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than what> > > > was> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree> > > > with> > > > > > you on> > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire> > > > staff.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she> > > > had> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly> > > > she> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a> > > > boat> > > > > > load> > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,> > > > > > injecting> > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is> > > > > > personal, but> > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and> > > > > > symptoms. If> > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his> > > > > > staff if> > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how> > > > disease> > > > > > free> > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says> > > > you> > > > > > are -> > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > *> > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > >> > > > > www.abAloe.com/178> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *> > > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > > > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178> > > > > > ALGAE: www.> > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>> > > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren> > > > > > > > > "Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is> > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by itself?"> > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century> > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren> > > > > > "if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word> > > remove in the subject line."> > > > > > > > > *> > >> >>

June 7, 2011

LOL! Love it! I'll have to remember that one - if my Lyme brain fog will allow

me to. Thanks for the witicism!

WAF

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without

> > > > > warning " ...hahaha.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do.

I've

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.

> > > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal

like

> > > > > 'pen'

> > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me.

I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is

in

> > > > > effect

> > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell

whether it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone

know

> > > > > > > what that

> > > > > > > > > > is called?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my

experience)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are

going to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his

practice.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > one I

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than

what

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would

agree

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > you on

> > > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire

> > > > > staff.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him -

she

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But

mostly

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also

has a

> > > > > boat

> > > > > > > load

> > > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own

urine,

> > > > > > > injecting

> > > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is

> > > > > > > personal, but

> > > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs

and

> > > > > > > symptoms. If

> > > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask

his

> > > > > > > staff if

> > > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state

how

> > > > > disease

> > > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he

says

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > are -

> > > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > www.abAloe.com/178

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > *

> > > >

> > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > >

> > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

> > > >

> > > > ALGAE: www.

> > > >

simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolution\

s>

> > > >

> > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

> > > >

> > > > " Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is

> > > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by

itself? "

> > > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century

> > > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren

> > > >

> > > > " if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the

word

> > > > remove in the subject line. "

> > > >

> > > > *

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 8, 2011

I'm sorry about your friend who died. Regarding Dr. Klinghardt, he may be good

in some ways, but he ain't perfect. I know of someone who saved up her money,

went to see him, and he gave her some good insights, but he completely missed

the fact she had parasites.

I used to travel all around to places far away, to people and medical

institutions who had great reputations, doctors and places of great promise such

as Mayo Clinic, but then I realized, each time, that it turned out to be just

great hype, great promo on their part,and that the money that I wasted traveling

(with essentially nothing to show for it) could have been better spent on

treatment locally. Therefore, I no longer travel to any far away hot-shot

" experts " which allows me more money to spend on defeating my disease. There

was never a time when I spent money traveling to them that it was worth it. They

were always horribly disappointing and never lived up to the hype, the promo put

out about them.

If I ever were to travel again to consult with an acclaimed " medical expert " it

would be abroad, to a country where the quality of medical care is higher than

it is here.

WAF

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone been to see Dr. Klinghardt in Washington. I am just curious

> > > as to cost of trip and visits and how much the initial visit would be.

dana

> > > > >

> > > > > From: musiclady

> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:05 PM

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Subject: OT: PK Protocol Another link

> > > > >

> > > > > http://patriciakane.net/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 8, 2011

It is so sad that someone died under Dr. K's care. I think, no matter how talented the doc, that we each need to make decisions regarding our own health as much as possible. I know that that isn't always easy or practical and I'm not trying to be trite or any thing of the sort.

It's just a reminder, that doctors aren't gods, they don't know it all, and most are totally overwhelmed these days. Read your body and go with your gut instincts.just my two cents,

I'm sorry about your friend who died. Regarding Dr. Klinghardt, he may be good in some ways, but he ain't perfect. I know of someone who saved up her money, went to see him, and he gave her some good insights, but he completely missed the fact she had parasites.

I used to travel all around to places far away, to people and medical institutions who had great reputations, doctors and places of great promise such as Mayo Clinic, but then I realized, each time, that it turned out to be just great hype, great promo on their part,and that the money that I wasted traveling (with essentially nothing to show for it) could have been better spent on treatment locally. Therefore, I no longer travel to any far away hot-shot " experts " which allows me more money to spend on defeating my disease. There was never a time when I spent money traveling to them that it was worth it. They were always horribly disappointing and never lived up to the hype, the promo put out about them.

If I ever were to travel again to consult with an acclaimed " medical expert " it would be abroad, to a country where the quality of medical care is higher than it is here.

WAF

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone been to see Dr. Klinghardt in Washington. I am just curious

> > > as to cost of trip and visits and how much the initial visit would be. dana

> > > > >

> > > > > From: musiclady

> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:05 PM

> > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > Subject: OT: PK Protocol Another link

> > > > >

> > > > > http://patriciakane.net/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 8, 2011

I'm not sure how difficult is it to find a chranio/Sac massage therapist. I asked my MT if she was trained in it and she said, 'yes'. She also takes insurance, and if my family doc prescribes it then it is covered. I've only been doing reg massage, and had cranio one time. I may try more.

Just another option.

Yes, indeed I did. I did not get their cards. They were a female couple, both NDs. If you contact at Biopureus.com -- she was the one who specifically pointed them out to me as they were looking for a CranioSacral therapist to work in their clinic. I did not want to move to Boulder, so did not introduce myself and there was so little time there anyways to mingle. If can't remember their names, contact Dr. DK's manager (Debbie Floyd) ... but she has a ph# and email contact info for her on www.klinghardtacademy.org website

BTW I have not done the PCS because most of my issues did not get that deeply out of synch and I remained fairly well functioning (thank God) except a couple of areas ... but without truly crazy vigorous treatments for a few years, that would have been a very different story. Blessings.

Hi Janette,

did you meet any LLMDs from Colorado (Bouler area)?

Thanks,

Anne

--

" Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

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ALGAE: www.simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren

0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

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June 8, 2011

Oh, Susie, I so understand what you are saying. We've only been at this for 3 1/2 years, and only diagnosed with Lyme last August, but I am exausted, so I can only imagine what it's like when you are searching, searching for that needle in the haystack 24/7 for so many years.

I understand that grief. Some days, I just take lots of naps, when sleep is the only respite I have from the sadness. But one thing is for sure...we can't give up! We have to take every opportunity to be in a better frame of mind that we can find. Do what makes you feel better, if you can think of anything that might. And we have to keep searching, for that combination of things that will be the key to recovery, and for a doctor that might be worth keeping.

What kind of a rife machine do you use?

My sincere prayer is that you might soon turn the corner to recovery.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without> > > > > > warning"...hahaha.> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are > > going to do. I've> > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.> > > > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put > > this metal like> > > > > > 'pen'> > > > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement > > to give me. I> > > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic > > bottle it is in> > > > > > effect> > > > > > > > it?> > > > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I > > just don't> > > > > > believe> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and > > tell whether it> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your > > toe. Anyone know> > > > > > > > what that> > > > > > > > > > > is called?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt > > (my experience)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people > > who are going to> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors > > in his practice.> > > > > > The> > > > > > > > one I> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his > > office than what> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two > > people would agree> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > you on> > > > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of > > his entire> > > > > > staff.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine > > who saw him - she> > > > > > had> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt > > rushed. But mostly> > > > > > she> > > > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. > > He also has a> > > > > > boat> > > > > > > > load> > > > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with > > your own urine,> > > > > > > > injecting> > > > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle > > testing. This is> > > > > > > > personal, but> > > > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying > > heavily on labs and> > > > > > > > symptoms. If> > > > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may > > want to ask his> > > > > > > > staff if> > > > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing > > to state how> > > > > > disease> > > > > > > > free> > > > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as > > well as he says> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > are -> > > > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --> > > > > > > *> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > www.abAloe.com/178> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > *> > > > >> > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178> > > > >> > > > > ALGAE: www.> > > > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http:// > > www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>> > > > >> > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and > > the water is> > > > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action > > arises by itself?"> > > > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century> > > > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren> > > > >> > > > > "if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply > > with the word> > > > > remove in the subject line."> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

June 8, 2011

Lena,You might want to go into the yahoo/groups and erase this post. You did NOT send it privately and now your phone number is available for everyone in the world to see.Please be careful :-)

Hi dear Susie,So typically Lena-lyme-brain! I invite you to call and then space out and don't give you my #.

Sent you a bunch of Reiki this morning after the darn phoebe outside the bedroom window woke me at 5:00. Too warm and itchy to go back to sleep.Hugs,Léna

yes, i know what you are all saying, and i've seen plenty of practitioners and wasted money and years and been disgusted with plenty of them and have been on my own pretty much since 2006, just seeing doctors for thyroid and trying to get them to do certain tests i want to have done. but i am not getting better. those of you who know me know that it is not for lack of sincerity and perseverance and trying and experimenting and researching. i've had a rife machine since 2004, i eat beautiful food, i won't go into the list of detoxing and things i've done, or wht i am doing now. i used to get acupunture, do lots of body/mind/spirit work, but i am too sick to leave the house for anything not utterly essential. i'm not looking for god, just looking for someone who might be able to find what i've not understood, or simply help me get the tests i'd like to have. and so exhausted by effort it takes here to get doctors to do just the basics.

i am deeply sad that i am not getting well. xoxo susie

A wholehearted DITTO!!What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a doctor...lol > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without> > > > warning " ...hahaha.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've

> > > > had> > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.> > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like

> > > > 'pen'> > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I> > > > don't> > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in

> > > > effect> > > > > > it?> > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't> > > > believe> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it> > > > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone know

> > > > > > what that> > > > > > > > > is called?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to> > > > his> > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his practice.> > > > The> > > > > > one I> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than what

> > > > was> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree> > > > with> > > > > > you on> > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire

> > > > staff.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she> > > > had> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly> > > > she> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a

> > > > boat> > > > > > load> > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,> > > > > > injecting> > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is> > > > > > personal, but> > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and

> > > > > > symptoms. If> > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his> > > > > > staff if> > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how

> > > > disease> > > > > > free> > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says> > > > you> > > > > > are -

> > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > *> > > >> > > > >> > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > >> > > > > www.abAloe.com/178> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > -- > > > *> > > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > > > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

> > > > > > ALGAE: www.> > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>

> > > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

> > > > > > > > > " Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is> > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by itself? "

> > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century> > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren> > >

> > > " if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word> > > remove in the subject line. " > > > > > > > > > *

> > >> >>

June 8, 2011

Thanks ,Obviously, I was still in Lyme-brain mode. How do I do this, exactly?Be well,LénaLena,You might want to go into the yahoo/groups and erase this post. You did NOT send it privately and now your phone number is available for everyone in the world to see.Please be careful :-)

June 8, 2011

Hi susie,

I'm deeply sad that you are not getting well also.

I understand what it is like to want the doctor that will fix you. Its

exhausting being the patient and the practitioner at the same time.

Im thinking of you and hoping you get better.

Tamara

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without

> > > > > > warning " ...hahaha.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are

> > going to do. I've

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.

> > > > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put

> > this metal like

> > > > > > 'pen'

> > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement

> > to give me. I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic

> > bottle it is in

> > > > > > effect

> > > > > > > > it?

> > > > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I

> > just don't

> > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and

> > tell whether it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your

> > toe. Anyone know

> > > > > > > > what that

> > > > > > > > > > > is called?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt

> > (my experience)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people

> > who are going to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors

> > in his practice.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > one I

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his

> > office than what

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two

> > people would agree

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > you on

> > > > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of

> > his entire

> > > > > > staff.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine

> > who saw him - she

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt

> > rushed. But mostly

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning.

> > He also has a

> > > > > > boat

> > > > > > > > load

> > > > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with

> > your own urine,

> > > > > > > > injecting

> > > > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle

> > testing. This is

> > > > > > > > personal, but

> > > > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying

> > heavily on labs and

> > > > > > > > symptoms. If

> > > > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may

> > want to ask his

> > > > > > > > staff if

> > > > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing

> > to state how

> > > > > > disease

> > > > > > > > free

> > > > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as

> > well as he says

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are -

> > > > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > www.abAloe.com/178

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > " Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine "

> > > > >

> > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178

> > > > >

> > > > > ALGAE: www.

> > > > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://

> > www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>

> > > > >

> > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and

> > the water is

> > > > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action

> > arises by itself? "

> > > > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century

> > > > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren

> > > > >

> > > > > " if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply

> > with the word

> > > > > remove in the subject line. "

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 9, 2011

dana thank you, i deeply hope you will get some good help. xoxoxsusie Susie, I hear you...I am not looking for a god at all I already have a God. I am looking for collaboration and sometimes that can be expensive. While I can still walk/talk/function I feel I need to try to gain as much knowledge and have the necessary testing done while I can. If I put it off, I will end up not being able to pursue any of those things. Living in Texas, I am having a hard time finding any help, although I am going to see a Dr. S in Houston who may at least test me for heavy metals, do some glut ivs and maybe give me some education on my immunity. From: S & D Darrah Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:09 PM To: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience) yes, i know what you are all saying, and i've seen plenty of practitioners and wasted money and years and been disgusted with plenty of them and have been on my own pretty much since 2006, just seeing doctors for thyroid and trying to get them to do certain tests i want to have done. but i am not getting better. those of you who know me know that it is not for lack of sincerity and perseverance and trying and experimenting and researching. i've had a rife machine since 2004, i eat beautiful food, i won't go into the list of detoxing and things i've done, or wht i am doing now. i used to get acupunture, do lots of body/mind/spirit work, but i am too sick to leave the house for anything not utterly essential. i'm not looking for god, just looking for someone who might be able to find what i've not understood, or simply help me get the tests i'd like to have. and so exhausted by effort it takes here to get doctors to do just the basics. i am deeply sad that i am not getting well. xoxo susie A wholehearted DITTO!!What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a doctor...lol > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without> > > > warning"...hahaha.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've> > > > had> > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.> > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like> > > > 'pen'> > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I> > > > don't> > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in> > > > effect> > > > > > it?> > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't> > > > believe> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it> > > > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone know> > > > > > what that> > > > > > > > > is called?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to> > > > his> > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his practice.> > > > The> > > > > > one I> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than what> > > > was> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree> > > > with> > > > > > you on> > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire> > > > staff.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she> > > > had> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly> > > > she> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a> > > > boat> > > > > > load> > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,> > > > > > injecting> > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is> > > > > > personal, but> > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and> > > > > > symptoms. If> > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his> > > > > > staff if> > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how> > > > disease> > > > > > free> > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says> > > > you> > > > > > are -> > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > *> > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > >> > > > > www.abAloe.com/178> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *> > > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > > > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178> > > > > > ALGAE: www.> > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>> > > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren> > > > > > > > > "Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is> > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by itself?"> > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century> > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren> > > > > > "if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word> > > remove in the subject line."> > > > > > > > > *> > >> >>

June 9, 2011

thnak you so much tamara, i appreciate your thoughts. xoxoxos

> Hi susie,

>

> I'm deeply sad that you are not getting well also.

>

> I understand what it is like to want the doctor that will fix you.

> Its exhausting being the patient and the practitioner at the same

> time.

>

> Im thinking of you and hoping you get better.

>

> Tamara

>

June 9, 2011

Hi Susie and B,

Dr. Burrascano is retired from practice, he is now doing Lyme research!

Jim

> > >

> > > hi everyone.

> > >

> > > it is interesting that this has come up as a few weeks ago in

> > > desperation to find a dr who can help me i talked with ron at dr k's

> > > office about getting an appt with someone there, not particularly dr

> > > k as his waiting list is a year. it would be a huge stretch/fantasy

> > > for me to even think about going out west, i live in vermont and a

> > > visit to a local doctor does me in. but i've been following the

> > > research and protocols from dr k since maybe 2002 and always hoped

> > > someone here would be willing to look into his work.

> > >

> > > ron's comments to me were that i was way too sick/sensitive to

> > see dr

> > > k, that he is german, he is a guy and too forceful! he suggested if

> > > i wanted to see someone it would be a dr b. dont' know anything

> > > about her.

> > >

> > > are there any of these great dr's like susan and linda h and janette

> > > have back east???anyone???

> > >

> > > hope to be able to be posting a bit more now, not feeling better but

> > > i gained all the weight i lost last year so i'm quite pleased.

> > >

> > > many hugs to you all,

> > > susie

> > >

> >

>

June 9, 2011

Jim, can you do this?I have no idea Lena, I would think you would log onto yahoo groups and go to the post.Sorry, I can't be of more help.

Thanks ,Obviously, I was still in Lyme-brain mode. How do I do this, exactly?Be well,Léna

Lena,You might want to go into the yahoo/groups and erase this post. You did NOT send it privately and now your phone number is available for everyone in the world to see.

Please be careful :-)

June 9, 2011

Susie,

I hear you...I am not looking for a god at all I already have a God. I am looking for collaboration and sometimes that can be expensive. While I can still walk/talk/function I feel I need to try to gain as much

knowledge and have the necessary testing done while I can. If I put it off, I will end up not being able to pursue any of those things. Living in Texas, I am having a hard time finding any help, although I am going

to see a Dr. S in Houston who may at least test me for heavy metals, do some glut ivs and maybe give me some education on my immunity.

From: S & D Darrah

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:09 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)

yes, i know what you are all saying, and i've seen plenty of practitioners and wasted money and years and been disgusted with plenty of them and have been on my own pretty much since 2006, just seeing doctors for thyroid and trying to get them to do certain tests i want to have done. but i am not getting better. those of you who know me know that it is not for lack of sincerity and perseverance and trying and experimenting and researching. i've had a rife machine since 2004, i eat beautiful food, i won't go into the list of detoxing and things i've done, or wht i am doing now. i used to get acupunture, do lots of body/mind/spirit work, but i am too sick to leave the house for anything not utterly essential. i'm not looking for god, just looking for someone who might be able to find what i've not understood, or simply help me get the tests i'd like to have. and so exhausted by effort it takes here to get doctors to do just the basics.

i am deeply sad that i am not getting well.

xoxo susie

A wholehearted DITTO!!What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a doctor...lol > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without> > > > warning"...hahaha.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've> > > > had> > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.> > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like> > > > 'pen'> > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I> > > > don't> > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in> > > > effect> > > > > > it?> > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't> > > > believe> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it> > > > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone know> > > > > > what that> > > > > > > > > is called?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to> > > > his> > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his practice.> > > > The> > > > > > one I> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than what> > > > was> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree> > > > with> > > > > > you on> > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire> > > > staff.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she> > > > had> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly> > > > she> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a> > > > boat> > > > > > load> > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,> > > > > > injecting> > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is> > > > > > personal, but> > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and> > > > > > symptoms. If> > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his> > > > > > staff if> > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how> > > > disease> > > > > > free> > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says> > > > you> > > > > > are -> > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > *> > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > >> > > > > www.abAloe.com/178> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *> > > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > > > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178> > > > > > ALGAE: www.> > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>> > > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren> > > > > > > > > "Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is> > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by itself?"> > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century> > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren> > > > > > "if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word> > > remove in the subject line."> > > > > > > > > *> > >> >>

June 9, 2011

Susie,

Know what you mean about doctors, I feel like while I am still healthy enough to travel and seek information and collaboration I need to do it. There is not much in texas to help me so leaving is my only option.

I have already been to several doctors and have very little hope that any of them will have the 'holy grail', but maybe they will have some knowledge that will help fill in the puzzle pieces, always keeping hope alive

while I am alive and functioning. I am presenting ALS symptoms so I know if this progresses to bed I will go and not much will be done.....dana

From: S & D Darrah

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:09 PM

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)

yes, i know what you are all saying, and i've seen plenty of practitioners and wasted money and years and been disgusted with plenty of them and have been on my own pretty much since 2006, just seeing doctors for thyroid and trying to get them to do certain tests i want to have done. but i am not getting better. those of you who know me know that it is not for lack of sincerity and perseverance and trying and experimenting and researching. i've had a rife machine since 2004, i eat beautiful food, i won't go into the list of detoxing and things i've done, or wht i am doing now. i used to get acupunture, do lots of body/mind/spirit work, but i am too sick to leave the house for anything not utterly essential. i'm not looking for god, just looking for someone who might be able to find what i've not understood, or simply help me get the tests i'd like to have. and so exhausted by effort it takes here to get doctors to do just the basics.

i am deeply sad that i am not getting well.

xoxo susie

A wholehearted DITTO!!What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a doctor...lol > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Didn't appreciate the needle in the brain without> > > > warning"...hahaha.> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > wish doctors would tell me ahead what they are going to do. I've> > > > had> > > > > > > > > doctors do things that I wish I had been warned too.> > > > > > > > > What is muscle testing? I had a doctor who put this metal like> > > > 'pen'> > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > figers or toes and would decide which supplement to give me. I> > > > don't> > > > > > > > > believe in that at all!!! Wouldn't the plastic bottle it is in> > > > effect> > > > > > it?> > > > > > > > > I don't care though what the answer to that is, I just don't> > > > believe> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > you can sit a bottle of something on a stand and tell whether it> > > > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > okay w your body but holding a metal pen to your toe. Anyone know> > > > > > what that> > > > > > > > > is called?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: H <40dayjourney@>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 1:32 PM> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Klinghardt (my experience)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That is interesting . I know of two people who are going to> > > > his> > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > now, and I believe they both see several doctors in his practice.> > > > The> > > > > > one I> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier spends double or triple at his office than what> > > > was> > > > > > > > > mentioned earlier in this thread. These two people would agree> > > > with> > > > > > you on> > > > > > > > > his eccentricity and I think the eccentricity of his entire> > > > staff.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had forgot to mention another friend of mine who saw him - she> > > > had> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > similar experience to you, in that she felt rushed. But mostly> > > > she> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > appreciate the needle into her brain w/o warning. He also has a> > > > boat> > > > > > load> > > > > > > > > of strange protocols; injecting yourself with your own urine,> > > > > > injecting> > > > > > > > > every scar you have, etc. (this all adds up $)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The other thing I would check is the muscle testing. This is> > > > > > personal, but> > > > > > > > > I don't muscle test. I want my docs relying heavily on labs and> > > > > > symptoms. If> > > > > > > > > you muscle test - fine, but if you don't you may want to ask his> > > > > > staff if> > > > > > > > > he'll treat you. He will even use muscle testing to state how> > > > disease> > > > > > free> > > > > > > > > you are (ie., 75%) and if you aren't feeling as well as he says> > > > you> > > > > > are -> > > > > > > > > then it's (25%) 'emotional'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > *> > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > >> > > > > www.abAloe.com/178> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *> > > > > > "Let Medicine Be Thy Food and Food Be Thy Medicine"> > > > > > > > > ALOE: www.abAloe.com/178> > > > > > ALGAE: www.> > > simplexityhealth.com/janettewarren<http://www.healthyfutures.net/HealthySolutions>> > > > > > 0 POINT: www.wandtheworld.com/janettewarren> > > > > > > > > "Do you have the patience to wait until the mud settles and the water is> > > clear? Can you remain in stillness until the right action arises by itself?"> > > Tao Te Ching 15th Century> > > www.iahp.com/janettewarren> > > > > > "if you wish to not receive emails from me simply hit reply with the word> > > remove in the subject line."> > > > > > > > > *> > >> >>

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