RE: BG was 768 mg%

[Guest guest]

Dear .....

I'm so so sorry to hear of what your wife is going through......and I'm

praying that she starts to realize just what the high sugars CAN do to

your body. I too believe that she needs to talk to someone professional

about everything, maybe this can help...it couldn't hurt.

I haven't been posting much cause my back is killing me, but when I seen

your post about your wife I thought I " d sit and write you a few things

quickly.

When my fiance Warren was diagnosed his BG was 1,100 so you can imagine

what state he was in. We didn't realize until later how wrong things had

been. We used to sit and watch tv...and we like to watch movies and it

wasn't until his BG was under control , that one night he said...oh this

movie is coming on tv...lets watch it. I turned to him and said..but we

just watched that 2 weeks ago ( when his BG was at 1,100 ) and he still

swears to this day..he CANNOT remember watching that movie ! So his brain

definitely was affected by the high sugar, but has returned to normal as

far as we can tell, after getting on insulin after diagnosis. But we've

discovered now that there are ALOT of things he just does not remember

doing or seeing in that time frame...pretty scary that we realize that

now...but didn't then.

Your wife really really does need to get under some kind of control and

keep her kidneys healthy .....or else you do not want her to have to see

what goes on in a dialysis unit. If you wife can't stand the sight of

blood.....a dialysis unit is not the place to be for someone like

that...all there is in sight around there is blood...flowing through all

the tubes in and out of the machines. I know this...Warren was on kidney

dialysis for 10 years before he got his kidney transplant 3 years ago.

And you wouldn't believe the size of the needles they use for

dialysis....they have to be big enough to allow your whole volume of

blood to flow out and then once cleaned back into your body...they are

huge.

Maybe as a last resort....if talking to someone doesn't help her see what

could happen to her, you could take her to visit a dialysis unit as

someone suggested..I think it was Teri. Actually dialysis patients are

pretty good themselves about talking to people...maybe you could find a

patient that has diabetes and wasn't under control which caused their

kidneys to fail to talk to your wife. Warren would always talk to anyone

that came in about kidney disease, diet, the machines and the

medications.

Ok.....please let us know how your wife does and when she is released

from the hospital, and we'll all be hoping and praying she decides to try

and keep better control before its too late.

Hugs,

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[Guest guest]

, I'm so sorry about your wife, but keep supporting her. I think what the

others have been saying is right.. she may need professional help and certainly

needs lots of emotional support from you. If she is depressed, there is

medication that can help, and may alter her willingness to accept the help that

you and others are offering her. It may be a long haul, but you may still have

your wife.

I was also in denial for years... I did the bare minimum to look after myself.

If anyone broached the subject, I felt they were judging me. After all, what did

they know about what I was going through. I reacted negatively to movies such as

Steel Magnolias and any show about someone with diabetic complications. I became

very depressed when faced with the enormity of the problems that I could face.

What worked for me was information. I came around eventually, and you need to

believe that your wife can too.

[Guest guest]

,

I'm so glad she's realized that this is a serious issue! That's half the

battle.

Sometimes the medical community doesn't want to hear that we know what's

going on with our bodies, and they can be especially resistant. Good for

you that you kept after them.

>

>

>The physicians still believe that her diabetes can be handled with Amaryl

>and regular meal times.

It may be that they can see the depth of her previous denial, and that when

she begins to control herself, she will be just fine with Amaryl and regular

meals. It's worth a shot, if she's ready.

>

>Every cloud has a silver lining. Many thanks for the messages of support.

>

>

I'm just sorry your cloud had to get so dark before it broke open.

Good luck to both of you.

Robin G.

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All

Many thanks to those who gave me advice and recommendations.

My wife is now out of intensive care and in a diabetes ward. She is still

fully piped-up at both ends but the extreme dehydration is no longer so

evident. I was amazed at how quickly that dehydration can take effect, she

had been drying out before my eyes. They nearly lost her early Friday

morning but she eventually came through. The big struggle was due to a very

serious urinary tract infection which I was told is often found in cases of

hyperglycemic coma. Some of the time she had a blood pressure that I

wouldn't have believed anybody could survive (68/35, etc.). They told me

that I had got her in there at the very last possible moment. The derailment

was almost certainly a result of the infection and of her stopping taking

Amaryl because she wasn't eating (which would have been the correct action

to take with her previous medication, NovoNorm).

When I think back about the fight that I had, first with her and then with

the duty call-out physician and then with the emergency services and then

the struggle that the paramedics had on the phone to convince the hospital

to take her in, I get the cold sweats. I would definitely like to see a

little more safety margin in the system. Unfortunately, this appears to be a

peak time for emergency cases and the hospital, including the ICU was

bursting full.

She had even given herself up for lost so the situation that some of you

predicted has, in fact, come about, even without a stroll through the

dialysis unit! The bad experience has overcome the 'in denial' barrier and

she has been talking to the nursing staff, some of whom are themselves

diabetic, about 'life after the coma'. Now when I call her on the phone she

gives me the latest of the hourly BG figures just back from the lab (they

don't permit the use of BG meters here, its all done with pipettes). The

talk about 'getting out of here tomorrow' is forgotten and she is looking

forward to the full diabetes training program. So far as we can tell, there

has been no loss of memory but renal function has been impaired, it is not

yet known by how much.

The physicians still believe that her diabetes can be handled with Amaryl

and regular meal times.

Every cloud has a silver lining. Many thanks for the messages of support.

[Guest guest]

Thornton wrote:

>

> The physicians still believe that her diabetes can be handled with Amaryl

> and regular meal times.

>

> Every cloud has a silver lining. Many thanks for the messages of support.

What an ordeal! I know how frustrating it is for you as I have a similar

situation, having a phobic wife..

Hopefully things will look up for you now.

--

Dave -- Saturday, March 04, 2000

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[Guest guest]

Oh that is such good news... it sounds like she is going to try!

Jan

At 10:25 AM 03/04/2000 +0100, you wrote:

>

>

>All

>

>Many thanks to those who gave me advice and recommendations.

>

>My wife is now out of intensive care and in a diabetes ward. She is still

>fully piped-up at both ends but the extreme dehydration is no longer so

>evident. I was amazed at how quickly that dehydration can take effect, she

>had been drying out before my eyes. They nearly lost her early Friday

>morning but she eventually came through. The big struggle was due to a very

>serious urinary tract infection which I was told is often found in cases of

>hyperglycemic coma. Some of the time she had a blood pressure that I

>wouldn't have believed anybody could survive (68/35, etc.). They told me

>that I had got her in there at the very last possible moment. The derailment

>was almost certainly a result of the infection and of her stopping taking

>Amaryl because she wasn't eating (which would have been the correct action

>to take with her previous medication, NovoNorm).

>

>When I think back about the fight that I had, first with her and then with

>the duty call-out physician and then with the emergency services and then

>the struggle that the paramedics had on the phone to convince the hospital

>to take her in, I get the cold sweats. I would definitely like to see a

>little more safety margin in the system. Unfortunately, this appears to be a

>peak time for emergency cases and the hospital, including the ICU was

>bursting full.

>

>She had even given herself up for lost so the situation that some of you

>predicted has, in fact, come about, even without a stroll through the

>dialysis unit! The bad experience has overcome the 'in denial' barrier and

>she has been talking to the nursing staff, some of whom are themselves

>diabetic, about 'life after the coma'. Now when I call her on the phone she

>gives me the latest of the hourly BG figures just back from the lab (they

>don't permit the use of BG meters here, its all done with pipettes). The

>talk about 'getting out of here tomorrow' is forgotten and she is looking

>forward to the full diabetes training program. So far as we can tell, there

>has been no loss of memory but renal function has been impaired, it is not

>yet known by how much.

>

>The physicians still believe that her diabetes can be handled with Amaryl

>and regular meal times.

>

>Every cloud has a silver lining. Many thanks for the messages of support.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thornton wrote:

<< ... Every cloud has a silver lining ... >>

Yes indeed, . I always look for the bright spot in situations. It is a

great relief to hear your wife is at last welcoming good diabetes management

.... and just at the time when you connected with diabetes groups and

information-packed archives that you are soaking up like a sponge. I can

also assure you that just about anyone participating in the groups will

respond to you privately if you e-mail them. I have, for example, had

private exchanges with probably a dozen people from LC-DIABETES. It is a

public service they perform for their fellow diabetics.

The best of health and a long life together for the both of you ... so glad

to see that progress is being made. And let's hope her kidneys can repair

themselves with good care.

Susie )

[Guest guest]

,

So happy to hear about your wife. I understand the denial thing.

Next you need to support her even more because she may go through a

period of self-recrimination about not taking care of herself. As

her glucoses start staying in the normal range, though, you'll find

her mood will be a whole lot sunnier. :-)

Go with God, Esther

t2, diet, exercise, insulin, etc., etc.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-03-04 05:24:56 EST, you write:

<<

Every cloud has a silver lining. Many thanks for the messages of support.

>>

, I'm so glad your wife has come through okay and is now willing to

deal with her diabetes. Now is the time to educate her - and the best single

book for this -- I think it was mention in earlier post - is Dr Bernstein's

Diabetes Solutions by Bernstein, M.D. If it's not locally available,

Amazon has it. Please get it as soon as possible and get her started on it.

Also check out his website - it's listed on our own public website under

" links " , address at bottom of this posting. Good luck! Vicki

[Guest guest]

Vicki

> , I'm so glad your wife has come through okay

> and is now willing to deal with her diabetes.

Thanks. Her 'water household' is now almost back

to normal. As she was topped up with water again,

a strange thing has happened, one leg has filled

out much more than the other so that is being

investigated now. She is also being dripped with

a potassium solution - her potassium was found

to be very low. I understand that potassium is what

makes the pancreas tick. So we are not quite out

of the woods yet.

> Now is the time to educate her - and the best

> single book for this -- I think it was mention in earlier

> post - is Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions by

> Bernstein, M.D.

I ordered the book from Amazon last week, 2 weeks

delivery.

But we have been watching the news on CNN about the

Great Diet Debate in Washington. Dr. Atkins and the

other guy clawing each other to death. We didn't hear

either of them mention diabetes so we assume that is

another story altogether.

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