Re: Response to Injury in those having Lyme

[Guest guest]

If it was me - I would find a good chiropractor and get treatment. I

did traditional PT for car accident injuries with no improvement after

nearly 2 years. After 6 months of chiropractic treatment I was much

much better & less pain.

Kendra

> What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say, punched

in the arm?  Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction?  Any

suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

>

> Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in

the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking

around...but it's set off an incredible injury.  She hasn't been able to use her

arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting

too, from overuse.

>

> Ugn...

[Guest guest]

I am EXACTLY like this! I can't believe you posted this, because I have the same problem. Even minor injuries like getting bumped or bruised last for a long time, because they start a run-away inflammation cycle. Minor injuries get bad and last for insane amounts of time.

1) Someone slapped me in the face last year, and I still have head pain and muscle pain in that area. Almost a year later! I have to massage it and do craniosacral therapy on myself. 2) I kicked some stuff when I was having Lyme/Bart rage a month ago (had to go without Rife machine while moving), and I developed really severe foot, knee, and hip pain and barely could walk for a week. Still having some knee and foot problems a month later.

It was even worse because with poor executive function due to Lyme, I was getting injured frequently and hurting myself accidentally.What I did that seemed to decrease my injury-prone status: -Nature's Way pycnogenol. Very powerful anti-inflammatory.

-Nature's Way Boswellia. -Ledum 200C and 1M homeopathy. Helped to clear up my poor judgment. Can be a Lyme treatment. Can't take either too often, not more than every three days on the 1M.-Added Deseret Biologicals series remedies to my Rifing as an additional treatment. They actually work! Can get them from humandiamond.com.

-Added Deseret Biologicals detox remedies to reduce inflammation. (Addiclenz, Chemtox, Kidney or Lymph Drainage, Liver Drainage)-Started using Pekana detox remedies (naturalhealthyconcepts.com).

-Earthing all night with an earthing mat to reduce inflammation.-Icing affected areas. They say to use heat after the first two days, but in my case only icing and soaking feet in cool water helped. I think detoxing and cutting down on inflammation helps with this thing where injuries get out of control.

On the physical therapy side, there's a lot of PT info online. -I got the Trigger Point manual and a knobble for releasing trigger points.-This site has lots of tests, stretches, and exercises that physical therapists would use, you can get it for free here!  http://floota.com/index.html

 

What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say, punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.

Ugn...

[Guest guest]

I can attest to the fact that minor "injuries" to others cause severe pain / damage, etc in Lymies.

My daughter frequently "stubs" her toes. Something that to most of us would be painful for perhaps 20 minutes or something, and just a minor irritation after that. She has multiple fractures and breaks in her toes, virtually everytime they kick into something, at the very least it causes a fracture.

She has other issues as well, but that is one that is to the "extreme".

Sorry I can't help with suggestions for healing (other than rest, ice or heat depending upon what feels better, and possibly a muscle cream to help keep the muscles from tightening).

Charlotteiamwhimsy@...

Response to Injury in those having Lyme

What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say, punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury? Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.Ugn...

[Guest guest]

Hello Charlotte,

I read recently that hyperthyroidy was giving brittle bones and also I think Chore from biopure is a mixin gof all sort of supplememnt meissing for lyme including a lot of minerals

it is from Dct K.

I do not know better sorry . But I am trying right now core.

For my sweety with his brttle bone I gave him coral calcium vit K2 and vit D and it worked then he could get removed his plauqe that was hurting him from a previous broken bone.

Hoping you will find the adequate way to deal with this

take care Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 1:05:16 PMSubject: Re: Response to Injury in those having Lyme

I can attest to the fact that minor "injuries" to others cause severe pain / damage, etc in Lymies.

My daughter frequently "stubs" her toes. Something that to most of us would be painful for perhaps 20 minutes or something, and just a minor irritation after that. She has multiple fractures and breaks in her toes, virtually everytime they kick into something, at the very least it causes a fracture.

She has other issues as well, but that is one that is to the "extreme".

Sorry I can't help with suggestions for healing (other than rest, ice or heat depending upon what feels better, and possibly a muscle cream to help keep the muscles from tightening).

Charlotteiamwhimsy@...

Response to Injury in those having Lyme

What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say, punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury? Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.Ugn...

[Guest guest]

Kendra,

Oh yes, the first thing she did was go to the chiro on Monday and again on

Friday. She has a great one that she really loves...that's the one bright spot

in her experience with doctors...he is in Beverly Hills...if anyone if the LA

area needs a great chiro, I've got a name.

I'm a long time believer in chiropractic, as I went to an elderly chiropractor

as a teenager 35 years ago...he was really a pioneer in the field and no one

will ever compare to him...he took a half hour with each adjustment and charged

$5! My babies both went to him when they were 3 weeks old! And we were a very

healthy family until lyme hit.

> > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

punched in the arm?  Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction?  Any

suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> >

> > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in

the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking

around...but it's set off an incredible injury.  She hasn't been able to use her

arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting

too, from overuse.

> >

> > Ugn...

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. Unfortunately, it seems to be confirmation

of what I feared...that this will most likely be a long road to healing that

arm/joint and will probably cause permanent damage.

She has done some internet research on low dose naltrexone, and believes she

wants to try it. This is a departure from her 9 month long holdout on using any

other meds or supplements in addition to rife. I'm wondering what thoughts

there are about LDN?

I will research the items you list below. Thanks,

>

> >

> >

> > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

> > punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction?

> > Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> >

> > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit

> > in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were

> > joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able

> > to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other

> > shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.

> >

> > Ugn...

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

DMSO is excellent for joint and muscle pain...I really can't think of anything

else... If this is used, skin must be wiped clean with a wet cloth before

applying... NO SOAP...

This is the one I buy...

http://absolutelypets.stores.yahoo.net/dmpu99li16oz.html

Take care,

Jim

>

> What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say, punched

in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any

suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

>

> Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in

the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking

around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her

arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting

too, from overuse.

>

> Ugn...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

Give LDN some time... I don't recall how long it took other Lymies to feel the

benefits, but at least a few months... I do think some developed insomnia (short

term) because of it...

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

> > > punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction?

> > > Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> > >

> > > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit

> > > in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were

> > > joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been

able

> > > to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other

> > > shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.

> > >

> > > Ugn...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestion. I assume DMSO is generally considered safe, if the

skin is clean...

> >

> > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any

suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> >

> > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in

the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking

around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her

arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting

too, from overuse.

> >

> > Ugn...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Charlotte, Wow, that worries me hearing that your daughter frequently fractures her toes.I'm still having occasional shooting pain in my foot bones a month after kicking stuff. Maybe I semi-fractured my feet. The doctor said I didn't, but it feels like something happened to a few of the toe bones/joints.

What do you do for fractures anyway? Could anything help us with bone regeneration and healing from bone injuries, like;-microcrystaline hydroxyapatite (MCHA)-OSS-Regen from Pekana (homeopathic formula to support bone regeneration)

-MK-7 (good form of vitamin K)-minerals-boron-I was taking glucosamine/chondroitin til I realized that it seemed immunosuppressive (it is) and I don't want to jeopardize my Lyme recovery by taking it. But it was helping with my knee problems.

Anything non-immunosuppressive that helps with knee problems? My right knee pops when I bend it. Please let me know, anyone if you have suggestions! I am sick of getting serious injuries from minor accidents. Sick of feeling like an old person when I'm 26!

- " Still young "

 

I can attest to the fact that minor " injuries " to others cause severe pain / damage, etc in Lymies.

 

My daughter frequently " stubs " her toes.  Something that to most of us would be painful for perhaps 20 minutes or something, and just a minor irritation after that.  She has multiple fractures and breaks in her toes, virtually everytime they kick into something, at the very least it causes a fracture.

 

She has other issues as well, but that is one that is to the " extreme " . 

 

Sorry I can't help with suggestions for healing (other than rest, ice or heat depending upon what feels better, and possibly a muscle cream to help keep the muscles from tightening).

 

 

Charlotteiamwhimsy@...

Response to Injury in those having Lyme

 

What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say, punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury? Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.Ugn...

[Guest guest]

Thanks...I hadn't thought of homeopathics for inflamation.

I think you're right...lyme requires a special kind of physical therapy. I

think the chiro, as good as he is, actually made it worse by digging too hard at

the knot.

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> > > >

> > > > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

> > > > punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory

> > reaction?

> > > > Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> > > >

> > > > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was

> > hit

> > > > in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were

> > > > joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been

> > able

> > > > to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other

> > > > shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.

> > > >

> > > > Ugn...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hello ~

There isn't much that can be done for fractures in the toes. The big toe is the one that dr's are most concerned about because it is important to balance. If it's more comfortable toes can be buddy taped, however that is generally more uncomfortable. With my younger daughter, when she broke 2 toes next to each other, they had her in a walking cast because sitting at school she would kick her desk when moving her feet and cause additional pain, or they would get bumped into by classmates.

I don't have any answers for healing, most of my daughter's are just small fractures, noticable only by redness. There are a few that cause a purple streak and swelling, those are a bit more severe, but again, not much to do about them.

Charlotteiamwhimsy@...http://whimsy.t35.com

Re: Response to Injury in those having Lyme

Hi Charlotte, Wow, that worries me hearing that your daughter frequently fractures her toes.I'm still having occasional shooting pain in my foot bones a month after kicking stuff. Maybe I semi-fractured my feet. The doctor said I didn't, but it feels like something happened to a few of the toe bones/joints.What do you do for fractures anyway? Could anything help us with bone regeneration and healing from bone injuries, like;-microcrystaline hydroxyapatite (MCHA)-OSS-Regen from Pekana (homeopathic formula to support bone regeneration)-MK-7 (good form of vitamin K)-minerals-boron-I was taking glucosamine/chondroitin til I realized that it seemed immunosuppressive (it is) and I don't want to jeopardize my Lyme recovery by taking it. But it was helping with my knee problems. Anything non-immunosuppressive that helps with knee problems? My right knee pops when I bend it. Please let me know, anyone if you have suggestions! I am sick of getting serious injuries from minor accidents. Sick of feeling like an old person when I'm 26!-"

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I''ve used DMSO for about 30 years! Never a problem with it... It is instant

relief as it is being applied... You will have a garlicy taste in 30 seconds,

this is normal..

http://dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/jacob.htm

Jim

> > >

> > > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any

suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> > >

> > > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit

in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking

around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her

arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting

too, from overuse.

> > >

> > > Ugn...

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

One more thing ,

There is something that works much better than glucosamine/chondroitin, it is

Natural Eggshell Membrane (NEM)... I was using glucosamine/chondroitin and

just doing okay... I then read about NEM, tried it for several days and it did

nothing..

But then I read a study that says the first sign of relief comes at about 10

days, full

relief in about 28 days... I tried it again, absolutely the best thing for joint

issues!

You only take one capsule daily...

Natural Eggshell Membrane is the new kid on the block for lubricating joint

issues and seems to work better than the older joint supps...

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Eggshell-membrane-may-outperform-glucos\

amine-for-joint-health

http://www.dovepress.com/eggshell-membrane-a-possible-new-natural-therapeutic-fo\

r-joint-and-con-peer-reviewed-article-CIA

http://swansonvitamins.blogs.com/swanson_weblog

/2009/08/the-incredible-durable-egg-new-natural-eggshell-membrane-is-a-hit-for-j\

oint-support.html

Where to buy NEM, lowest price seller.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU487/ItemDetail?n=0

Take care,

Jim

>

> >

> >

> > I can attest to the fact that minor " injuries " to others cause severe pain

> > / damage, etc in Lymies.

> >

> > My daughter frequently " stubs " her toes. Something that to most of us

> > would be painful for perhaps 20 minutes or something, and just a minor

> > irritation after that. She has multiple fractures and breaks in her toes,

> > virtually everytime they kick into something, at the very least it causes a

> > fracture.

> >

> > She has other issues as well, but that is one that is to the " extreme " .

> >

> > Sorry I can't help with suggestions for healing (other than rest, ice or

> > heat depending upon what feels better, and possibly a muscle cream to help

> > keep the muscles from tightening).

> >

> >

> > Charlotte

> > iamwhimsy@...

> >

> > * Response to Injury in those having Lyme

> >

> >

> >

> > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

> > punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction?

> > Any suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> >

> > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit

> > in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were

> > joking around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able

> > to use her arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other

> > shoulder is hurting too, from overuse.

> >

> > Ugn...

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've used DMSO for well over 30 years, never a problem!

The only important thing you need do is be sure the skin are you plan to apply

is very clean... Take a wet cloth, wipe very clean and towel dry... Then apply

your DMSO... At first, apply a light coat so that you can get used to it... What

you will notice is a garlicy taste in your mouth in about 30 seconds, this is

normal...

Here is some good reading material about DMSO...

http://dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/jacob.htm

Really , I don't know of a single person harmed in any way by using DMSO...

The instant you start to apply it you will feel the relief, it works and works

that fast!

You could even try just a small area of skin just to test it... Say a 2 inch

square... I consider it a great supp for instant pain relief of joint and muscle

pain...

Did you catch what I recently wrote about using NEM (Natural Eggshell Membrane)

for joint pain? I've tried several supps, NEM by far is superior to all the

others... It is more for chronic joint pain, not so much for acute pain as it

takes 10 days to first feel the initial benefits, 28 days to feel the full

benefits... You can use NEM and DMSO together until you feel the full benefits

of NEM>..

Natural Eggshell Membrane is the new kid on the block for lubricating joint

issues and seems to work better than the older joint supps...

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Eggshell-membrane-may-outperform-glucos\

amine-for-joint-health

http://www.dovepress.com/eggshell-membrane-a-possible-new-natural-therapeutic-fo\

r-joint-and-con-peer-reviewed-article-CIA

Where to buy NEM, lowest price seller, but use only for chronic conditions, not

accute...

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU487/ItemDetail?n=0

Take care,

Jim

> > >

> > > What would the response be for someone having lyme if they were, say,

punched in the arm? Would this set off an attypical inflamatory reaction? Any

suggestions for trying to heal from this type of injury?

> > >

> > > Incredibly, because it was just what she needed apparently, Molly was hit

in the arm last weekend by some body being stupid...thinking they were joking

around...but it's set off an incredible injury. She hasn't been able to use her

arm all week...it's affected her shoulder and now the other shoulder is hurting

too, from overuse.

> > >

> > > Ugn...

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim. I tried it last night but didn't notice the garlic taste or get much

relief from my discomfort. Maybe I didn't use enough - I put it on some gauze

and wiped it on my hip and down my leg.

I did see your post on NEM. My issue is more soft tissue - muscle and connective

tissue, especially my right SI area, ilio-sacral, ilio psoas, and iliotibial

band tendon. All of those areas and the muscles around them are tight and

inflamed because I let a bad chiro talk me into a heel lift a few months ago and

now I'm having adjustment issues. If this continues as it is for another few

weeks I might need to look at NEM again.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> I've used DMSO for well over 30 years, never a problem!

>

> The only important thing you need do is be sure the skin are you plan to apply

is very clean... Take a wet cloth, wipe very clean and towel dry... Then apply

your DMSO... At first, apply a light coat so that you can get used to it... What

you will notice is a garlicy taste in your mouth in about 30 seconds, this is

normal...

>

> Here is some good reading material about DMSO...

>

> http://dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

>

> http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/jacob.htm

>

> Really , I don't know of a single person harmed in any way by using

DMSO... The instant you start to apply it you will feel the relief, it works and

works that fast!

>

> You could even try just a small area of skin just to test it... Say a 2 inch

square... I consider it a great supp for instant pain relief of joint and muscle

pain...

>

> Did you catch what I recently wrote about using NEM (Natural Eggshell

Membrane) for joint pain? I've tried several supps, NEM by far is superior to

all the others... It is more for chronic joint pain, not so much for acute pain

as it takes 10 days to first feel the initial benefits, 28 days to feel the full

benefits... You can use NEM and DMSO together until you feel the full benefits

of NEM>..

>

> Natural Eggshell Membrane is the new kid on the block for lubricating joint

issues and seems to work better than the older joint supps...

>

>

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Eggshell-membrane-may-outperform-glucos\

amine-for-joint-health

>

>

http://www.dovepress.com/eggshell-membrane-a-possible-new-natural-therapeutic-fo\

r-joint-and-con-peer-reviewed-article-CIA

>

> Where to buy NEM, lowest price seller, but use only for chronic conditions,

not accute...

> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU487/ItemDetail?n=0

>

> Take care,

> Jim

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When I use DMSO, I pour enough into my palm than apply to the area... It is very

wet when I use it..

But I thought for you applying a light dose just so you could get past your fear

of it.. To be effective,

you really will need to get to a good dose of it..

NEM is only for joint issues, for soft tissue, DMSO is my first choice.. You

will know when you are using

the correct amount as it will feel very warm and soothing... Nothing else even

comes close!

Take care,

Jim

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I've used DMSO for well over 30 years, never a problem!

> >

> > The only important thing you need do is be sure the skin are you plan to

apply is very clean... Take a wet cloth, wipe very clean and towel dry... Then

apply your DMSO... At first, apply a light coat so that you can get used to

it... What you will notice is a garlicy taste in your mouth in about 30 seconds,

this is normal...

> >

> > Here is some good reading material about DMSO...

> >

> > http://dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

> >

> > http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/jacob.htm

> >

> > Really , I don't know of a single person harmed in any way by using

DMSO... The instant you start to apply it you will feel the relief, it works and

works that fast!

> >

> > You could even try just a small area of skin just to test it... Say a 2 inch

square... I consider it a great supp for instant pain relief of joint and muscle

pain...

> >

> > Did you catch what I recently wrote about using NEM (Natural Eggshell

Membrane) for joint pain? I've tried several supps, NEM by far is superior to

all the others... It is more for chronic joint pain, not so much for acute pain

as it takes 10 days to first feel the initial benefits, 28 days to feel the full

benefits... You can use NEM and DMSO together until you feel the full benefits

of NEM>..

> >

> > Natural Eggshell Membrane is the new kid on the block for lubricating joint

issues and seems to work better than the older joint supps...

> >

> >

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Eggshell-membrane-may-outperform-glucos\

amine-for-joint-health

> >

> >

http://www.dovepress.com/eggshell-membrane-a-possible-new-natural-therapeutic-fo\

r-joint-and-con-peer-reviewed-article-CIA

> >

> > Where to buy NEM, lowest price seller, but use only for chronic conditions,

not accute...

> > http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU487/ItemDetail?n=0

> >

> > Take care,

> > Jim

>