Re: Alternative medicine

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee:

I found your post most interesting. As you so appropriately put it, I also

*froze*, not a traumatic childhood, but an abusive one.

I am presently under the care of a psychologist for AFIB/anxiety, etc. and

with your permission, I will take a copy of your message with me to my next

appointment. I am also interested in Chiropractics.

Thanks so much for your input.

Ellen

(PS: To all members: Just a gentle reminder to be careful of accupuncture

and Coumadin)

Alternative medicine

> I have responded to ' 2 new polls about alternative medicine,

> and want to post to the board about the specifics. While I have had

> no direct improvement to my AF from these therapies, either when they

> are directed specifically to the AF or when they are directed to

> other ailments, I am still hopeful and will continue to try them

> until traditional medicine comes up with more and better options for

> me. (Yes Jack, I know the Maze cures and I'm very glad you and

> others keep reminding us of that. I'm just not ready for open heart

> surgery as long as I can continue to learn to live fully in spite of

> AF).

>

> I am currently receiving Reflexology treatments twice a month (which

> cured my heel spurs but didn't touch the AF); Jin Shin Jyutsu energy

> treatments twice a month (comparable to acupuncture, but with hands

> and without the needles), which strengthens my immune system and

> promotes general well-being without (so far) stopping the progression

> of the AF; and NAET (Nambutripod Allergy Elimination Technique) once

> a week, which has cured my allergies, may have lengthened the time

> between AF episodes one time, and may have shortened the length of an

> episode one time. The chiropracter who does the NAET is very

> interested in trying to have an impact on the AF and my insurance

> partially covers the treatments, so I will probably continue it for a

> while and will let you know if I get any improvement to the AF.

>

> I have also used three alternative psychotherapy techniques to try to

> impact the AF: EMDR (eye movement desensitization and

> reprocessing), a wonderful new method for clearing the remnants of

> both childhood and recent trauma from thoughts, emotions, behavior

> and the body; Thought Field Therapy, an energy therapy that has not

> impacted the AF directly, but has helped me live in peace with it;

> and EFT (not sure what the initials mean but similar to TFT), also an

> energy therapy which I self-administer daily to promote calmness and

> acceptance.

>

> I am a partially retired psychotherapist who is happy that my field

> is showing active interest in alternative psychotherapies that

> directly address the mind/body connection. I eagerly read the

> postings about all the treatments my fellow AF sufferers try, both

> traditional and non-traditional and I am glad that steered us

> into the alternative area.

>

> I find it somehow comforting that my physicians tell me that AF does

> not stem from psychological causes, because that helps keep me from

> obsessing about emotional triggers, a practice which I have not found

> to be at all useful. At the same time, I am curious about whether

> the chronic trauma in my childhood, when I could neither " fight "

> nor " flee " but rather had to " freeze " in order to survive, might have

> confused or damaged my adrenergic/vagal system and left me vulnerable

> to AF. If I were younger I would try to do some formal research

> about this. Instead, I direct my curiosity to this discussion group

> for some informal (and probably more helpful) research.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Lee

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ellen

I have so appreciated your warmth, humor and patience on this

discussion list. I'm glad you found my post interesting and of course

you can share it with your psychologist.

Blessings,

Lee

- In AFIBsupportegroups, " Ellen Gilmartin " <Failteg@m...> wrote:

> Hi Lee:

>

> I found your post most interesting. As you so appropriately put

it, I also

> *froze*, not a traumatic childhood, but an abusive one.

>

> I am presently under the care of a psychologist for AFIB/anxiety,

etc. and

> with your permission, I will take a copy of your message with me to

my next

> appointment. I am also interested in Chiropractics.

>

> Thanks so much for your input.

>

> Ellen

> (PS: To all members: Just a gentle reminder to be careful of

accupuncture

> and Coumadin)

>

> Alternative medicine

>

>

> > I have responded to ' 2 new polls about alternative medicine,

> > and want to post to the board about the specifics. While I have

had

> > no direct improvement to my AF from these therapies, either when

they

> > are directed specifically to the AF or when they are directed to

> > other ailments, I am still hopeful and will continue to try them

> > until traditional medicine comes up with more and better options

for

> > me. (Yes Jack, I know the Maze cures and I'm very glad you and

> > others keep reminding us of that. I'm just not ready for open

heart

> > surgery as long as I can continue to learn to live fully in spite

of

> > AF).

> >

> > I am currently receiving Reflexology treatments twice a month

(which

> > cured my heel spurs but didn't touch the AF); Jin Shin Jyutsu

energy

> > treatments twice a month (comparable to acupuncture, but with

hands

> > and without the needles), which strengthens my immune system and

> > promotes general well-being without (so far) stopping the

progression

> > of the AF; and NAET (Nambutripod Allergy Elimination Technique)

once

> > a week, which has cured my allergies, may have lengthened the time

> > between AF episodes one time, and may have shortened the length

of an

> > episode one time. The chiropracter who does the NAET is very

> > interested in trying to have an impact on the AF and my insurance

> > partially covers the treatments, so I will probably continue it

for a

> > while and will let you know if I get any improvement to the AF.

> >

> > I have also used three alternative psychotherapy techniques to

try to

> > impact the AF: EMDR (eye movement desensitization and

> > reprocessing), a wonderful new method for clearing the remnants of

> > both childhood and recent trauma from thoughts, emotions, behavior

> > and the body; Thought Field Therapy, an energy therapy that has

not

> > impacted the AF directly, but has helped me live in peace with it;

> > and EFT (not sure what the initials mean but similar to TFT),

also an

> > energy therapy which I self-administer daily to promote calmness

and

> > acceptance.

> >

> > I am a partially retired psychotherapist who is happy that my

field

> > is showing active interest in alternative psychotherapies that

> > directly address the mind/body connection. I eagerly read the

> > postings about all the treatments my fellow AF sufferers try, both

> > traditional and non-traditional and I am glad that steered

us

> > into the alternative area.

> >

> > I find it somehow comforting that my physicians tell me that AF

does

> > not stem from psychological causes, because that helps keep me

from

> > obsessing about emotional triggers, a practice which I have not

found

> > to be at all useful. At the same time, I am curious about

whether

> > the chronic trauma in my childhood, when I could neither " fight "

> > nor " flee " but rather had to " freeze " in order to survive, might

have

> > confused or damaged my adrenergic/vagal system and left me

vulnerable

> > to AF. If I were younger I would try to do some formal research

> > about this. Instead, I direct my curiosity to this discussion

group

> > for some informal (and probably more helpful) research.

> >

> > Warm regards,

> >

> > Lee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Web Page /group/AFIBsupport

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[Guest guest]

Lee,

I would like to know more about the EMDR therapy method that you mentioned

in yur alternative medicine email. Maybe it is something that can help me

heal from a tramatic childhood experience. Will you explain what the

process is like and how to find a therapist for this method?

Thanks,

Alternative medicine

I have responded to ' 2 new polls about alternative medicine,

and want to post to the board about the specifics. While I have had

no direct improvement to my AF from these therapies, either when they

are directed specifically to the AF or when they are directed to

other ailments, I am still hopeful and will continue to try them

until traditional medicine comes up with more and better options for

me. (Yes Jack, I know the Maze cures and I'm very glad you and

others keep reminding us of that. I'm just not ready for open heart

surgery as long as I can continue to learn to live fully in spite of

AF).

I am currently receiving Reflexology treatments twice a month (which

cured my heel spurs but didn't touch the AF); Jin Shin Jyutsu energy

treatments twice a month (comparable to acupuncture, but with hands

and without the needles), which strengthens my immune system and

promotes general well-being without (so far) stopping the progression

of the AF; and NAET (Nambutripod Allergy Elimination Technique) once

a week, which has cured my allergies, may have lengthened the time

between AF episodes one time, and may have shortened the length of an

episode one time. The chiropracter who does the NAET is very

interested in trying to have an impact on the AF and my insurance

partially covers the treatments, so I will probably continue it for a

while and will let you know if I get any improvement to the AF.

I have also used three alternative psychotherapy techniques to try to

impact the AF: EMDR (eye movement desensitization and

reprocessing), a wonderful new method for clearing the remnants of

both childhood and recent trauma from thoughts, emotions, behavior

and the body; Thought Field Therapy, an energy therapy that has not

impacted the AF directly, but has helped me live in peace with it;

and EFT (not sure what the initials mean but similar to TFT), also an

energy therapy which I self-administer daily to promote calmness and

acceptance.

I am a partially retired psychotherapist who is happy that my field

is showing active interest in alternative psychotherapies that

directly address the mind/body connection. I eagerly read the

postings about all the treatments my fellow AF sufferers try, both

traditional and non-traditional and I am glad that steered us

into the alternative area.

I find it somehow comforting that my physicians tell me that AF does

not stem from psychological causes, because that helps keep me from

obsessing about emotional triggers, a practice which I have not found

to be at all useful. At the same time, I am curious about whether

the chronic trauma in my childhood, when I could neither " fight "

nor " flee " but rather had to " freeze " in order to survive, might have

confused or damaged my adrenergic/vagal system and left me vulnerable

to AF. If I were younger I would try to do some formal research

about this. Instead, I direct my curiosity to this discussion group

for some informal (and probably more helpful) research.

Warm regards,

Lee

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[Guest guest]

> Lee,

>

> I would like to know more about the EMDR therapy method that you

mentioned

> in yur alternative medicine email. Maybe it is something that can

help me

> heal from a tramatic childhood experience. Will you explain what

the

> process is like and how to find a therapist for this method?

>

> Thanks,

>

,

I'm happy to give you a brief description of EMDR therapy, quoted

from an EMDR brochure: " How does EMDR work? No one knows exactly

how EMDR works. However, we do know that when a person is very

upset, their brain cannot process information as is does ordinarily.

One moment becomes " frozen in time " and, remembering a trauma may

feel as bad as going through it the first time because the images,

sounds, smells and feelings haven't changed. Such memories have a

lasting negative effect on the way a person sees the world and

relates to other people that can interfere with his or her life. The

EMDR therapist facilitates bi-lateral stimulation of the brain (eg.

through eye movements or alternating auditory tones) while the client

focuses on the disturbing material until it diminishes.

EMDR seems to have a direct effect on the way that the brain

functions. Normal information processing is resumed, so following a

successful EMDR session, the images amd feelings no longer are

relived when the event is brought to mind. What happened is still

remembered, but it is less upsetting. Many types of therapy have a

similar goal. However, EMDR appears to be similar to what occurs

naturally during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep. Therefore EMDR can

be thought of as a physiologically based therapy that helps a person

see disturbing material in a new and less distressing way. "

To learn more about EMDR and/or to find a psychotherapist who is

trained to do it in your area go online to EMDR.com. And I'll be glad

to try to answer any further questions you may have about it. I love

doing EMDR with my clients, and I have benefitted from receiving it

as well. As I said, it hasn't had a direct effect on the progression

of my AF but psychotherapy in general and, more recently, alternative

psychotherapies have had a profound impact on my ability to lead a

more relaxed and fulfilling life.

Thanks for your interest.

Lee

>

> Alternative medicine

>

>

> I have responded to ' 2 new polls about alternative medicine,

> and want to post to the board about the specifics. While I have had

> no direct improvement to my AF from these therapies, either when

they

> are directed specifically to the AF or when they are directed to

> other ailments, I am still hopeful and will continue to try them

> until traditional medicine comes up with more and better options for

> me. (Yes Jack, I know the Maze cures and I'm very glad you and

> others keep reminding us of that. I'm just not ready for open heart

> surgery as long as I can continue to learn to live fully in spite of

> AF).

>

> I am currently receiving Reflexology treatments twice a month (which

> cured my heel spurs but didn't touch the AF); Jin Shin Jyutsu

energy

> treatments twice a month (comparable to acupuncture, but with hands

> and without the needles), which strengthens my immune system and

> promotes general well-being without (so far) stopping the

progression

> of the AF; and NAET (Nambutripod Allergy Elimination Technique) once

> a week, which has cured my allergies, may have lengthened the time

> between AF episodes one time, and may have shortened the length of

an

> episode one time. The chiropracter who does the NAET is very

> interested in trying to have an impact on the AF and my insurance

> partially covers the treatments, so I will probably continue it for

a

> while and will let you know if I get any improvement to the AF.

>

> I have also used three alternative psychotherapy techniques to try

to

> impact the AF: EMDR (eye movement desensitization and

> reprocessing), a wonderful new method for clearing the remnants of

> both childhood and recent trauma from thoughts, emotions, behavior

> and the body; Thought Field Therapy, an energy therapy that has not

> impacted the AF directly, but has helped me live in peace with it;

> and EFT (not sure what the initials mean but similar to TFT), also

an

> energy therapy which I self-administer daily to promote calmness and

> acceptance.

>

> I am a partially retired psychotherapist who is happy that my field

> is showing active interest in alternative psychotherapies that

> directly address the mind/body connection. I eagerly read the

> postings about all the treatments my fellow AF sufferers try, both

> traditional and non-traditional and I am glad that steered us

> into the alternative area.

>

> I find it somehow comforting that my physicians tell me that AF does

> not stem from psychological causes, because that helps keep me from

> obsessing about emotional triggers, a practice which I have not

found

> to be at all useful. At the same time, I am curious about whether

> the chronic trauma in my childhood, when I could neither " fight "

> nor " flee " but rather had to " freeze " in order to survive, might

have

> confused or damaged my adrenergic/vagal system and left me

vulnerable

> to AF. If I were younger I would try to do some formal research

> about this. Instead, I direct my curiosity to this discussion group

> for some informal (and probably more helpful) research.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Lee

>

>

>

>

>

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