Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 , I was eager to take extra zinc soon after being diagnosed (having read about some of the same benefits you discussed). However, two doctors I consulted both told me not only NOT to take extra zinc, but to avoid a multivitamin because it contained various metals. Since then, I have taken my supplements separately, rather than in a comprehensive multi, for this reason. If anyone has evidence that this is an overreaction, and that it is safe for PSCers to take some zinc (which among other things I have read helps to mitigate somewhat the effects of cirrhosis), please let us know. Ezra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 The info I read said the same thing about avoiding the metals, but when I mentioned it to my GI, he said that multivitamins is such a low concentration that it is no big deal. I was going to start taking them again, but maybe I will wait and see. Re: Zinc , I was eager to take extra zinc soon after being diagnosed (having read about some of the same benefits you discussed). However, two doctors I consulted both told me not only NOT to take extra zinc, but to avoid a multivitamin because it contained various metals. Since then, I have taken my supplements separately, rather than in a comprehensive multi, for this reason. If anyone has evidence that this is an overreaction, and that it is safe for PSCers to take some zinc (which among other things I have read helps to mitigate somewhat the effects of cirrhosis), please let us know. Ezra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 Ezra, I don't understand exactly what you mean. I know about the dangers of getting too much of vitamins etc. But do you get metals from just taking zink and no other supplements (except for example milk thistle)? I understand that that is what you trying to say but you just take zinc then??? So how do you get the other metals then? Can you or anybody else explain a bit more about how it works? And should we PSC-ers be extra carefull about metals? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Iszat@... Aan: egroups <egroups> Datum: donderdag 27 juli 2000 21:39 Onderwerp: Re: Zinc >, > >I was eager to take extra zinc soon after being diagnosed (having read about >some of the same benefits you discussed). However, two doctors I consulted >both told me not only NOT to take extra zinc, but to avoid a multivitamin >because it contained various metals. Since then, I have taken my supplements >separately, rather than in a comprehensive multi, for this reason. If anyone >has evidence that this is an overreaction, and that it is safe for PSCers to >take some zinc (which among other things I have read helps to mitigate >somewhat the effects of cirrhosis), please let us know. Ezra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2000 Report Share Posted August 1, 2000 Iszat@... wrote: > , > > I was eager to take extra zinc soon after being diagnosed (having read about > some of the same benefits you discussed). However, two doctors I consulted > both told me not only NOT to take extra zinc, but to avoid a multivitamin > because it contained various metals. I, too, was told to avoid multivitamins with minerals at the time I was listed for tx. And after tx, I have been told to take a multivitamin, but not with minerals. I think it is important for us to ask our docs before assuming something is safe. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if you are deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression To: miralax Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PMSubject: Zinc What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this is something my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc can cause constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if Zinc causes constipation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 In order to supplement zinc in a child, I think you should have some signs of a need. White spots on fingernails? Yep -- zinc levels are low. Slow healing of bug bites? Yep -- add zinc. > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if you are > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: miralax > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > Subject: Zinc > >  > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this is something > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc can cause > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if Zinc causes > constipation? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Acne can be another sign. In order to supplement zinc in a child, I think you should have some signs of a need. White spots on fingernails? Yep -- zinc levels are low. Slow healing of bug bites? Yep -- add zinc. > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if you are > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: miralax > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > Subject: Zinc > > Â > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this is something > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc can cause > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if Zinc causes > constipation? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Since this particular Pediatrician isn't the best at going into detail all I can tell you is that he has been talking about it for awhile now. One of the things he mentioned was dryness at the knees. But more recently my son had some bloodwork done and something from those results made this Pediatrician check again his knees and fingernails and he suggested trying it. So that is why I considered it. It could also be the aggression issue made the Dr. think Zinc too. > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > you are > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > To: miralax > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > Subject: Zinc > > > > Â > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > is something > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > can cause > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > Zinc causes > > constipation? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Many parents complain of aggression in their child after taking PEG, I'm not sure if it depletes Zinc but according to the FDA adverse reactions, it depletes, calcium, potassium, magnesium, electrolytes, and water, so, with that said, It probably wouldn't be too out of suspicion to imagine the others would go along with it? I guess it makes sense, if it lowered the zinc, the copper would rise and you would see aggression............the question is? Why do we see this behavior for years later???? To: miralax Sent: Tue, September 6, 2011 5:38:49 PMSubject: Re: Zinc Since this particular Pediatrician isn't the best at going into detail all I can tell you is that he has been talking about it for awhile now. One of the things he mentioned was dryness at the knees. But more recently my son had some bloodwork done and something from those results made this Pediatrician check again his knees and fingernails and he suggested trying it. So that is why I considered it. It could also be the aggression issue made the Dr. think Zinc too. > >> > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > you are> > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@>> > To: miralax > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM> > Subject: Zinc> >> > Â> > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > is something> > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > can cause> > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > Zinc causes> > constipation?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 He's on the right track then. Best if you take zinc at bedtime - away from other supplements. > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > you are > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > To: miralax > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > Â > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > is something > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > can cause > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > Zinc causes > > > constipation? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I tried that because I heard the same thing. But turns out for my son it did not work. Although it may now I am not willing to take the chance. See the first time my son tried it I only gave him the 3mg and he was sooooo hyper after taking it I had to lower the dose alot. I am not sure what it is about these minerals that affect my son so much. > > > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > you are > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > > To: miralax > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > > > Â > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > is something > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > can cause > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > Zinc causes > > > > constipation? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I also wanted to thank you for all the advice. As you can tell I have tried zinc with my son and stopped because I wasn't too sure about it and with my sons constipation I worried it may worsen it. I would like to try magnesium but my son is sensitive to so many magnesium based supplements and even epsom salts that I worry about using that too. Thanks again for all the advice. > > > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > you are > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > > To: miralax > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > > > Â > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > is something > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > can cause > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > Zinc causes > > > > constipation? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 it could be the brand soley...............try a different brand To: miralax Sent: Wed, September 7, 2011 11:53:54 PMSubject: Re: Zinc I tried that because I heard the same thing. But turns out for my son it did not work. Although it may now I am not willing to take the chance. See the first time my son tried it I only gave him the 3mg and he was sooooo hyper after taking it I had to lower the dose alot. I am not sure what it is about these minerals that affect my son so much. > > > >> > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > you are> > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@>> > > > To: miralax > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM> > > > Subject: Zinc> > > >> > > > Â> > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > is something> > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > can cause> > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > Zinc causes> > > > constipation?> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 What happens with the epsom salt baths? My dd gets lethargic if she takes one and it was LeeAnn that pointed out that it has sulfer in it. Low and behold her tests from Pfeiffer came back high in sulfer which would be why she reacted to epsom salts that way. I never knew there was sulfer in epsom salts but it wasn't the magnesium. To: miralax Sent: Wed, September 7, 2011 11:59:29 PMSubject: Re: Zinc I also wanted to thank you for all the advice. As you can tell I have tried zinc with my son and stopped because I wasn't too sure about it and with my sons constipation I worried it may worsen it. I would like to try magnesium but my son is sensitive to so many magnesium based supplements and even epsom salts that I worry about using that too. Thanks again for all the advice. > > > >> > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > you are> > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@>> > > > To: miralax > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM> > > > Subject: Zinc> > > >> > > > Â> > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > is something> > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > can cause> > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > Zinc causes> > > > constipation?> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I never gave my son epsom salt baths since they irritate my skin and my sons reactions to different form of Magnesium I had the Pediatrician muscle test them before even trying them and every brand we tried showed sensitivity. Now after what you wrote I realize my reaction could very well be due to sulfur since I am sulfur sensitive. To: miralax Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:26 AMSubject: Re: Re: Zinc What happens with the epsom salt baths? My dd gets lethargic if she takes one and it was LeeAnn that pointed out that it has sulfer in it. Low and behold her tests from Pfeiffer came back high in sulfer which would be why she reacted to epsom salts that way. I never knew there was sulfer in epsom salts but it wasn't the magnesium. To: miralax Sent: Wed, September 7, 2011 11:59:29 PMSubject: Re: Zinc I also wanted to thank you for all the advice. As you can tell I have tried zinc with my son and stopped because I wasn't too sure about it and with my sons constipation I worried it may worsen it. I would like to try magnesium but my son is sensitive to so many magnesium based supplements and even epsom salts that I worry about using that too. Thanks again for all the advice. > > > >> > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > you are> > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@>> > > > To: miralax > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM> > > > Subject: Zinc> > > >> > > > Â> > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > is something> > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > can cause> > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > Zinc causes> > > > constipation?> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I have looked and looked and this was the only brand I could find that I could actually give him a small dose. Most pills, tablets, etc are way to high in dosage. If I rembember right the lowest was around 25 to 30 mg. This particular one is a liquid and I can give under 1 mg and slowly work the dosage up. Which is good due to his reaction to 3 mg. I am not even sure that the hyper response to it is a bad thing. I know alot of kids have this response with other things like epsom salt baths for instance due to it pulling the heavy metals out of the body. Then after a week or two it subsides. This is what the company told me about the zinc when I called. Now I am not sure if he is right but I am also not convinced the zinc responce was a bad thing either. So I cut the dose way down and no hyper response. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > > you are > > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > > > To: miralax > > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > > is something > > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > > can cause > > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > > Zinc causes > > > > > constipation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 It seems like you tend to say that most everything creates a hyper response for your son. I'd like to help you in the right direction. What item(s) have NOT had a hyper response? Is he taking calcium? That may be the culpert. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > > > you are > > > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > > > > To: miralax > > > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > > > is something > > > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > > > can cause > > > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > > > Zinc causes > > > > > > constipation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 No he doesn't take calcium. But I didn't notice that I was saying everything creates a hyper response. If you mean the epsom salts as one, I was referring to what another Mom who does Bio medical treatments told me about her sons reaction to epsom salts. We have never used epsom salts. What other things rather than zinc did I say caused a hyper response in my son? Maybe I missed something and how does calcium help with this reaction? Or if this is a common reaction does it mean someone is low on calcium? I am confused now. LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > > > > > To: miralax > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > > > > is something > > > > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > > > > can cause > > > > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > > > > Zinc causes > > > > > > > constipation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Also you asked what doesn't cause a hyper response. It seems that different things cause different reactions like Bromelain was causing rashes, Nystatin made him sick to his stomach, Singulair caused daily mood swings and meltdowns, Zirtec caused his OCD to escalate. Then other things like the Multivitamin he takes and the many different Probiotics we tried have shown intolerance but I cannot name specifics since while taking these he was seeing the Pediatrician who did muscle testing and he would test these thing regularly to see if he was tolerating them. But alot of foods cause mood and behavior issues like anger, aggression, trouble focusing. He is on a very limited diet for this and his Leaky Gut. Then there are seasonal pollen allergies which just change his mood and personality to the point I thought he had some sort of mood disorder till he was allergy tested and those moods coincided with the pollen allergies. Which I never knew he had due to his atypical reaction to them. He is allergic to mold too so yeast causes problems when he has too much like sleep issues and some behavior problems too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@> > > > > > > > To: miralax > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > > > > is something > > > > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > > > > can cause > > > > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > > > > Zinc causes > > > > > > > constipation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I suppose this would be a good time to try Senna, Shaklee Herblax would be a great product! To: miralax Sent: Thu, September 8, 2011 10:33:12 AMSubject: Re: Zinc I have looked and looked and this was the only brand I could find that I could actually give him a small dose. Most pills, tablets, etc are way to high in dosage. If I rembember right the lowest was around 25 to 30 mg. This particular one is a liquid and I can give under 1 mg and slowly work the dosage up. Which is good due to his reaction to 3 mg. I am not even sure that the hyper response to it is a bad thing. I know alot of kids have this response with other things like epsom salt baths for instance due to it pulling the heavy metals out of the body. Then after a week or two it subsides. This is what the company told me about the zinc when I called. Now I am not sure if he is right but I am also not convinced the zinc responce was a bad thing either. So I cut the dose way down and no hyper response. > > > > >> > > > > Not sure? I do know that Zinc and copper balance each other and if > > > > you are> > > > > deficient in zinc, your copper level rises and you see aggression> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________________________________> > > > > From: luckymom2one <pellomelissa@>> > > > > To: miralax > > > > > Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 2:05:01 PM> > > > > Subject: Zinc> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > What can you tell me about Zinc supplementation? I ask because this > > > > is something> > > > > my sons one Pediatrician has suggested but upon reading that Zinc > > > > can cause> > > > > constipation I worry about trying it again. Does anyone know if > > > > Zinc causes> > > > > constipation?> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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