An evil veterinarian? (was :Re: Warning: baseball metaphor (was: [New Age

[Guest guest]

Dear Dan,

I can only attest to what I know. G-d loves me very much. How do I know ?

because i intuit it..I feel it in my soul, mind and body..that's what can

happen to someone who

waits for union with G-d...and perhaps sometimes gets a foretaste., I will

never convince you....its like anything else, only experience can make

someone know something.

OK so I am deluded...but what a delightful way to live! peace and

love....better than fear and stress.No.

I would never say never to anything....why close of anything so positive?

Free will is something I exercise every day...do I listen just to the ego or

do I give the Self a chance. Am I willful in wanting my way or will I listen

to a voice suggesting another way?

I am sorry that you throw out the baby with the proverbial bathtub.

The RCC has a lot a faults, I grant you, but promising free will isn't one

of them. Free will is always balanced by our human-ness...that goes without

saying. But we all have choices which determine our present and future...no

mindless fate, thank you.

Dan, why not give hope a chance? Maybe it wouldn't disappoint you or let you

down. What are all those millions of people who are full of the Holy Spirit

through the eons and today talking about? Are they all deluded, unthinking

or just weak?

Well, no way I will try to convince you. Only experience itself can do that,

and that is not always in our hands...we can just say yes or no.

We can do what we want within our human ability and we can want what we want

as long as it is within our ability as creatures not the creator.

Evil for evils sake...NON SERVAM? no thank you . I cannot even give that

idea houseroom. I am in love and evil is the opposite of love. I choose love

and light joy and peace. Why would anyone not who isn't insane?

Toni

No one who knows human nature, himself or psychology would ever think we

only want what we believe to be good. balderdash. We often want exactly what

we know isn't the best...we want what we want because we want our will. The

Greeks were wrong (dare i say that to you?) We often know the good and

decide, damn it all, I want my way instead.

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Subject: An evil veterinarian? (was :Re: Warning: baseball

metaphor (was: [New Age

> Dear Toni,

>

> Free will. As someone put it, we can do what we want, but we can't

> want what we want. The only freedom is knowledge. There is no " free

> will " in the sense taught, for example, by the RCC - according to the

> ridiculous doctrine of which, it is possible for human " freely " to

> choose evil. No one knowingly chooses the bad - hence we laugh at the

> " Dr. Evil " movie character, because we realize intuitively that the

> notion of a man devoted to evil for evil's sake is silly.

>

> The actor Will bought himself a little trouble recently by

> saying that Hitler thought he was doing something good - but of course

> is perfectly correct. Hitler did think he was doing something good.

>

> The lover needs the beloved. God does not love.

>

> Best,

>

> Dan

>

>

>

>>

>> Dan,

>> No, not inconsequential in the eyes of G-d ( if He has eyes???)

>>

>> No, I think the creator loves his creation too much. he doesn't

> shrug his

>> shoulders (?), but the question remains...do we have free will?

>>

>> We have both free will and we use it for our willful egotistical

> purposes,

>> and we were given love, to make that free will work for the unity of

> all.

>> All.

>> Ok, that is the way I sum it up.

>> G-d created us, not as robots but as free. We have to chose the

> good, he

>> won't force it on us, but he does care in my view of the world. In

> fact I

>> think we get to come back and do it over until we get it right.

> Love, that

>> is.

>> So color me screwy...that's OK..I've been there before.

>> Love,

>> Toni

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[Guest guest]

Dear Toni,

Well, they must be full of something, at any rate.

The Greeks were never wrong ;-).

OK, they had the lowest level of wrongness yet seen. And they were

pagan and all.

Best,

Dan

> >>

> >> Dan,

> >> No, not inconsequential in the eyes of G-d ( if He has eyes???)

> >>

> >> No, I think the creator loves his creation too much. he doesn't

> > shrug his

> >> shoulders (?), but the question remains...do we have free will?

> >>

> >> We have both free will and we use it for our willful egotistical

> > purposes,

> >> and we were given love, to make that free will work for the unity of

> > all.

> >> All.

> >> Ok, that is the way I sum it up.

> >> G-d created us, not as robots but as free. We have to chose the

> > good, he

> >> won't force it on us, but he does care in my view of the world. In

> > fact I

> >> think we get to come back and do it over until we get it right.

> > Love, that

> >> is.

> >> So color me screwy...that's OK..I've been there before.

> >> Love,

> >> Toni

> >> Re: Warning: baseball metaphor (was: [New Age

>