Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 agree with Craig I have solar-- solar does not do well anything that requires generation of heat It does motors and lights and computers Refrigerators NO .freezers/ irons /hairdryers /clothes dryers /stove -NO Jean Options: 1. Keep an old fashioned that plugs into the wall phone in the office. If the power goes out, plug in the 1970 phone and it gets power via the phone line, not your main electrical line. When you leave the office, unplug the phone and if you have voice mail via the phone company, the calls go to voice mail. 2. Forward to cell phone per 's remarks. 3. If main electrical out, phone company out, and cell phone out, you've got bigger problems than your phones. Craig > > > ** > > > > > > Do you think a UPS could keep a phone system running? One of my main > > problems with power outages is the patients don't know how to get a hold of > > me when the phones are down. The refrigerator, I will have to take my > > chances. My landlord did just install solar panels but there is no storage > > of energy on site. I will have to ask him about that.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > Kathy Saradarian, MD**** > > > > Branchville, NJ**** > > > > www.qualityfamilypractice.com**** > > > > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90**** > > > > Practice Partner 5/03**** > > > > Low staffing**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* [mailto: > > ] *On Behalf Of * Bleiweiss > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:25 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Weather**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Oh I understand and we too have our main towers on B/U as well.... I was > > just saying that no average store purchased UPS is going to be able to > > handle no less make a noticeable dent in the time running post power failure > > for your average compressor based device like an AC unit or a fridge.. Those > > things are the most power hungry devices in almost any home or small office > > for sure.... No way are some average Tripp Lite Battery B/U's going to be > > able to handle such demand or jobs.....**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* theNeighbors > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 9:47 AM > > *Subject:* RE: Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > The problem with getting reliable backup power from a generator is that it > > has to be tested at least once a month – month after month – year after year > > until one day its actually needed. Short of life and death situations it > > rarely pays for itself. I find a small UPS on PCs a nice convenience and > > arguably a money saver over the alternative caused by power glitches and > > occasional service needs. **** > > > > **** > > > > I keep all desktop PCs in my office on a one hour backup UPS. For the > > server I have two car batteries and a special " sinusoidal " output DC/AC > > converter that extends its 15 minute UPS to an hour and a half. It also > > runs 18Watt CFD bulbs in my exam rooms and hallway. That gives me time to > > gracefully shut down office if power fails. **** > > > > **** > > > > Neighbors, MD**** > > > > Huntsville, Alabama**** > > > > **** > > > > Solo using FlexMedical EMR/Billing**** > > > > **** > > > > *From:* [mailto: > > ] *On Behalf Of * Bleiweiss > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:19 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > Unless you have the mother of all industrial sized battery back-ups such a > > thing won't work for more than a few moments. Compressors are real munchers > > of energy. What you need in a situation like yours is some sort of a second > > source of generation of power.... be it wind, solar or Briggs & Stratton, > > Honda powered generator that is properly wired into your electrical panel to > > do a semi-immediate switch over... now with a wind and or solar set-up you > > can incorporate a set of heavy duty, deep cycle like batteries that can > > store some of your left overs, unused parts of your generation. Many set ups > > do this like creating power during the day when useage is low while family > > is out and about, and then as the sun sets there is still some reserves in > > the battery set up to call upon for use at night. Also many small generating > > homes and businesses " Sell " their excess power back to the grid and then > > that sort of pays for their still being able to pull some energy back from > > the grid when they themselves don't have enough to meet their present demand > > and needs... But again that assumes there is a grid to feed you and visa > > versa. Lastly, these set ups are mandated to have some sort of deadman set > > up so in emergencies like you are experiencing right now... Let's say there > > is a downed line somewhere on the local circuit that feeds your place and > > the linemen are working on it, but at the same time, you as a small > > generator would normally be feeding some of your excess power back into the > > grid.... Well that could be really dangerous to those poor guys trying to > > restore power to everyone in that part of town.... so there needs to be a > > idiot proof device as part of your install that senses whether or not there > > is normal conditions on the grid, so those linemen don't get zapped by the > > power being generated and feed back by folks like you in such a > > situation....**** > > > > **** > > > > So you can see it gets real interesting and real complicated, expensive > > really fast if you start getting much beyond your basic portable generator > > that can feed a few super important devices like your furnace and fridge and > > a couple of lights during an extended outage.... Lastly, and this is > > something to research if you are truly interested in being more self > > reliant... There are like large work site sized metal chest enclosed, > > permenantly mounted on a slab like an AC compressor unit outside, whole > > house like units that kick in automatically and can run on either natural > > gas or propane according to your area or preferences. The Natural Gas is > > nice if there is a regular feed to your place already because there is no > > need to have deliveries set up or worry about running out in a pinch, the > > gas is almost always on.... so even in a bad emergency there is almost never > > an interuption of natural gas.... Almost.... never say never with washed out > > roads and bridges that our underground pipes like this live and cross over > > with... So the propane has its advantages on true self reliance at least > > until that tank of gas runs out.... But you could also install a coupe of > > large tanks that are specifically for the generator and not hot water or > > cooking... or understand that it is time to cut back on hot water useage > > until the worst is over...**** > > > > **** > > > > But NO no modest computer system battery back up that you are going to get > > at some office supply place or even Comp USA for $100-$200 bucks is going to > > be able to keep a fridge going for more than a few moments if at all... > > Lastly, fridges and AC units usually make a Spike like demand, need a real > > Kick of juice to get them started when they cycle in, and I'm not sure the > > average back up of this type could even supply that at all or even survive > > it.... It is not like switching over some average tower or server even from > > the wall to the internal batteries in one of those things....**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > *From:* Kathy Saradarian > > *To:* 'Practice Management Issues' > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 8:23 AM > > *Subject:* Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > OK, this bad weather is really getting old. The kids are now missing > > their 2nd day of school and it's only Day 3. And power is out at my > > office again. I am really glad I haven't received my flu vaccine yet. > > Has anyone ever put their refrigerator or freezer on a UPS?**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > Kathy Saradarian, MD**** > > > > Branchville, NJ**** > > > > www.qualityfamilypractice.com**** > > > > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90**** > > > > Practice Partner 5/03**** > > > > Low staffing**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > -- > * Pratt* > -- MD ph fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 yes we did yesterday,have waay bigger problems I mean thankfully a few hrs only, had an old fashioned landline, with a non electrical line, But noboy would pick up , everybody else had vonage and the liek fun times http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Power-back-on-for-1-4-million-San-Diego-customers-2162518.php Sangeetha Options: 1. Keep an old fashioned that plugs into the wall phone in the office. If the power goes out, plug in the 1970 phone and it gets power via the phone line, not your main electrical line. When you leave the office, unplug the phone and if you have voice mail via the phone company, the calls go to voice mail. 2. Forward to cell phone per 's remarks. 3. If main electrical out, phone company out, and cell phone out, you've got bigger problems than your phones. Craig > > > ** > > > > > > Do you think a UPS could keep a phone system running? One of my main > > problems with power outages is the patients don't know how to get a hold of > > me when the phones are down. The refrigerator, I will have to take my > > chances. My landlord did just install solar panels but there is no storage > > of energy on site. I will have to ask him about that.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > Kathy Saradarian, MD**** > > > > Branchville, NJ**** > > > > www.qualityfamilypractice.com**** > > > > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90**** > > > > Practice Partner 5/03**** > > > > Low staffing**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* [mailto: > > ] *On Behalf Of * Bleiweiss > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:25 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Weather**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Oh I understand and we too have our main towers on B/U as well.... I was > > just saying that no average store purchased UPS is going to be able to > > handle no less make a noticeable dent in the time running post power failure > > for your average compressor based device like an AC unit or a fridge.. Those > > things are the most power hungry devices in almost any home or small office > > for sure.... No way are some average Tripp Lite Battery B/U's going to be > > able to handle such demand or jobs.....**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* theNeighbors > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 9:47 AM > > *Subject:* RE: Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > The problem with getting reliable backup power from a generator is that it > > has to be tested at least once a month – month after month – year after year > > until one day its actually needed. Short of life and death situations it > > rarely pays for itself. I find a small UPS on PCs a nice convenience and > > arguably a money saver over the alternative caused by power glitches and > > occasional service needs. **** > > > > **** > > > > I keep all desktop PCs in my office on a one hour backup UPS. For the > > server I have two car batteries and a special " sinusoidal " output DC/AC > > converter that extends its 15 minute UPS to an hour and a half. It also > > runs 18Watt CFD bulbs in my exam rooms and hallway. That gives me time to > > gracefully shut down office if power fails. **** > > > > **** > > > > Neighbors, MD**** > > > > Huntsville, Alabama**** > > > > **** > > > > Solo using FlexMedical EMR/Billing**** > > > > **** > > > > *From:* [mailto: > > ] *On Behalf Of * Bleiweiss > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:19 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > Unless you have the mother of all industrial sized battery back-ups such a > > thing won't work for more than a few moments. Compressors are real munchers > > of energy. What you need in a situation like yours is some sort of a second > > source of generation of power.... be it wind, solar or Briggs & Stratton, > > Honda powered generator that is properly wired into your electrical panel to > > do a semi-immediate switch over... now with a wind and or solar set-up you > > can incorporate a set of heavy duty, deep cycle like batteries that can > > store some of your left overs, unused parts of your generation. Many set ups > > do this like creating power during the day when useage is low while family > > is out and about, and then as the sun sets there is still some reserves in > > the battery set up to call upon for use at night. Also many small generating > > homes and businesses " Sell " their excess power back to the grid and then > > that sort of pays for their still being able to pull some energy back from > > the grid when they themselves don't have enough to meet their present demand > > and needs... But again that assumes there is a grid to feed you and visa > > versa. Lastly, these set ups are mandated to have some sort of deadman set > > up so in emergencies like you are experiencing right now... Let's say there > > is a downed line somewhere on the local circuit that feeds your place and > > the linemen are working on it, but at the same time, you as a small > > generator would normally be feeding some of your excess power back into the > > grid.... Well that could be really dangerous to those poor guys trying to > > restore power to everyone in that part of town.... so there needs to be a > > idiot proof device as part of your install that senses whether or not there > > is normal conditions on the grid, so those linemen don't get zapped by the > > power being generated and feed back by folks like you in such a > > situation....**** > > > > **** > > > > So you can see it gets real interesting and real complicated, expensive > > really fast if you start getting much beyond your basic portable generator > > that can feed a few super important devices like your furnace and fridge and > > a couple of lights during an extended outage.... Lastly, and this is > > something to research if you are truly interested in being more self > > reliant... There are like large work site sized metal chest enclosed, > > permenantly mounted on a slab like an AC compressor unit outside, whole > > house like units that kick in automatically and can run on either natural > > gas or propane according to your area or preferences. The Natural Gas is > > nice if there is a regular feed to your place already because there is no > > need to have deliveries set up or worry about running out in a pinch, the > > gas is almost always on.... so even in a bad emergency there is almost never > > an interuption of natural gas.... Almost.... never say never with washed out > > roads and bridges that our underground pipes like this live and cross over > > with... So the propane has its advantages on true self reliance at least > > until that tank of gas runs out.... But you could also install a coupe of > > large tanks that are specifically for the generator and not hot water or > > cooking... or understand that it is time to cut back on hot water useage > > until the worst is over...**** > > > > **** > > > > But NO no modest computer system battery back up that you are going to get > > at some office supply place or even Comp USA for $100-$200 bucks is going to > > be able to keep a fridge going for more than a few moments if at all... > > Lastly, fridges and AC units usually make a Spike like demand, need a real > > Kick of juice to get them started when they cycle in, and I'm not sure the > > average back up of this type could even supply that at all or even survive > > it.... It is not like switching over some average tower or server even from > > the wall to the internal batteries in one of those things....**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > *From:* Kathy Saradarian > > *To:* 'Practice Management Issues' > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 8:23 AM > > *Subject:* Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > OK, this bad weather is really getting old. The kids are now missing > > their 2nd day of school and it's only Day 3. And power is out at my > > office again. I am really glad I haven't received my flu vaccine yet. > > Has anyone ever put their refrigerator or freezer on a UPS?**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > Kathy Saradarian, MD**** > > > > Branchville, NJ**** > > > > www.qualityfamilypractice.com**** > > > > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90**** > > > > Practice Partner 5/03**** > > > > Low staffing**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > -- > * Pratt* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Hang in there, Sangeetha! I am pulling and praying for all of you folks that have been effected by the hurricane. Eads, MD Pinnacle Family Medicine Colorado Springs, CO www.PinnacleFamilyMedicine.com From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sangeetha Murthy Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:16 AM To: Subject: Re: Re: Weather yes we did yesterday,have waay bigger problems I mean thankfully a few hrs only, had an old fashioned landline, with a non electrical line, But noboy would pick up , everybody else had vonage and the liek fun times http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Power-back-on-for-1-4-million-San-Diego-customers-2162518.php Sangeetha Options: 1. Keep an old fashioned that plugs into the wall phone in the office. If the power goes out, plug in the 1970 phone and it gets power via the phone line, not your main electrical line. When you leave the office, unplug the phone and if you have voice mail via the phone company, the calls go to voice mail. 2. Forward to cell phone per 's remarks. 3. If main electrical out, phone company out, and cell phone out, you've got bigger problems than your phones. Craig > > > ** > > > > > > Do you think a UPS could keep a phone system running? One of my main > > problems with power outages is the patients don't know how to get a hold of > > me when the phones are down. The refrigerator, I will have to take my > > chances. My landlord did just install solar panels but there is no storage > > of energy on site. I will have to ask him about that.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > Kathy Saradarian, MD**** > > > > Branchville, NJ**** > > > > www.qualityfamilypractice.com**** > > > > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90**** > > > > Practice Partner 5/03**** > > > > Low staffing**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* [mailto: > > ] *On Behalf Of * Bleiweiss > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:25 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Weather**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Oh I understand and we too have our main towers on B/U as well.... I was > > just saying that no average store purchased UPS is going to be able to > > handle no less make a noticeable dent in the time running post power failure > > for your average compressor based device like an AC unit or a fridge.. Those > > things are the most power hungry devices in almost any home or small office > > for sure.... No way are some average Tripp Lite Battery B/U's going to be > > able to handle such demand or jobs.....**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* theNeighbors > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 9:47 AM > > *Subject:* RE: Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > The problem with getting reliable backup power from a generator is that it > > has to be tested at least once a month – month after month – year after year > > until one day its actually needed. Short of life and death situations it > > rarely pays for itself. I find a small UPS on PCs a nice convenience and > > arguably a money saver over the alternative caused by power glitches and > > occasional service needs. **** > > > > **** > > > > I keep all desktop PCs in my office on a one hour backup UPS. For the > > server I have two car batteries and a special " sinusoidal " output DC/AC > > converter that extends its 15 minute UPS to an hour and a half. It also > > runs 18Watt CFD bulbs in my exam rooms and hallway. That gives me time to > > gracefully shut down office if power fails. **** > > > > **** > > > > Neighbors, MD**** > > > > Huntsville, Alabama**** > > > > **** > > > > Solo using FlexMedical EMR/Billing**** > > > > **** > > > > *From:* [mailto: > > ] *On Behalf Of * Bleiweiss > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:19 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > Unless you have the mother of all industrial sized battery back-ups such a > > thing won't work for more than a few moments. Compressors are real munchers > > of energy. What you need in a situation like yours is some sort of a second > > source of generation of power.... be it wind, solar or Briggs & Stratton, > > Honda powered generator that is properly wired into your electrical panel to > > do a semi-immediate switch over... now with a wind and or solar set-up you > > can incorporate a set of heavy duty, deep cycle like batteries that can > > store some of your left overs, unused parts of your generation. Many set ups > > do this like creating power during the day when useage is low while family > > is out and about, and then as the sun sets there is still some reserves in > > the battery set up to call upon for use at night. Also many small generating > > homes and businesses " Sell " their excess power back to the grid and then > > that sort of pays for their still being able to pull some energy back from > > the grid when they themselves don't have enough to meet their present demand > > and needs... But again that assumes there is a grid to feed you and visa > > versa. Lastly, these set ups are mandated to have some sort of deadman set > > up so in emergencies like you are experiencing right now... Let's say there > > is a downed line somewhere on the local circuit that feeds your place and > > the linemen are working on it, but at the same time, you as a small > > generator would normally be feeding some of your excess power back into the > > grid.... Well that could be really dangerous to those poor guys trying to > > restore power to everyone in that part of town.... so there needs to be a > > idiot proof device as part of your install that senses whether or not there > > is normal conditions on the grid, so those linemen don't get zapped by the > > power being generated and feed back by folks like you in such a > > situation....**** > > > > **** > > > > So you can see it gets real interesting and real complicated, expensive > > really fast if you start getting much beyond your basic portable generator > > that can feed a few super important devices like your furnace and fridge and > > a couple of lights during an extended outage.... Lastly, and this is > > something to research if you are truly interested in being more self > > reliant... There are like large work site sized metal chest enclosed, > > permenantly mounted on a slab like an AC compressor unit outside, whole > > house like units that kick in automatically and can run on either natural > > gas or propane according to your area or preferences. The Natural Gas is > > nice if there is a regular feed to your place already because there is no > > need to have deliveries set up or worry about running out in a pinch, the > > gas is almost always on.... so even in a bad emergency there is almost never > > an interuption of natural gas.... Almost.... never say never with washed out > > roads and bridges that our underground pipes like this live and cross over > > with... So the propane has its advantages on true self reliance at least > > until that tank of gas runs out.... But you could also install a coupe of > > large tanks that are specifically for the generator and not hot water or > > cooking... or understand that it is time to cut back on hot water useage > > until the worst is over...**** > > > > **** > > > > But NO no modest computer system battery back up that you are going to get > > at some office supply place or even Comp USA for $100-$200 bucks is going to > > be able to keep a fridge going for more than a few moments if at all... > > Lastly, fridges and AC units usually make a Spike like demand, need a real > > Kick of juice to get them started when they cycle in, and I'm not sure the > > average back up of this type could even supply that at all or even survive > > it.... It is not like switching over some average tower or server even from > > the wall to the internal batteries in one of those things....**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > *From:* Kathy Saradarian > > *To:* 'Practice Management Issues' > > *Cc:* > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 8:23 AM > > *Subject:* Weather**** > > > > **** > > > > OK, this bad weather is really getting old. The kids are now missing > > their 2nd day of school and it's only Day 3. And power is out at my > > office again. I am really glad I haven't received my flu vaccine yet. > > Has anyone ever put their refrigerator or freezer on a UPS?**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > Kathy Saradarian, MD**** > > > > Branchville, NJ**** > > > > www.qualityfamilypractice.com**** > > > > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90**** > > > > Practice Partner 5/03**** > > > > Low staffing**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > -- > * Pratt* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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