Re: Gareth

February 11, 2004

> I was being nice with those words. There is more to this story, and

> if the people that know the rest of it wish to say what they know,

> that is up to them.

I wasn't someone who contacted , but Gareth was threatening to

rape women on another list with archives that are public enough that

anyone who wanted to could find them.

I assume that's what's being discussed.

February 11, 2004

wrote:

> To all:

> Gareth is no longer a member of this list.

Thanks, . I don't have a problem with occasional

profanity, especially when caused by someone's frustration

with NTs. I can understand that. I've been a sailor on

liberty, and I've even been a drunken sailor, and I used

all sorts of profanity just to try to fit in.

But what Gareth was doing was a mean, nastiness directed at

other members, and I can honestly say that I can't figure

out which one! On another List, he's often spoken of being

drunk and on drugs and said some pretty scary things, most

likely because of the drinking and drugs. In a way, I can

understand it, he's young and has a normal libido, and also

is an aspie who has no luck with women. I know the lure of

trying to escape one's outrageous fortune, but he really

should try to be straight and sober when posting to a group.

I hope that he gets some help, and that he hasn't done some

of the things he's mentioned elsewhere.

Clay

> He has established a pattern of scary misogynistic comments

> on and off this list, and it is my personal opinion that it

> may go beyond simple words in this case. This is a sick

> person, and I'm not his therapist. I meant what I wrote in

> the response I wrote to him before I booted him. If I thought

> they were just words, I would have moderated him; in this case,

> I think that this was the right thing for me to do. He

> crossed a line-- it is that simple.

> I apologize to those of you (Jypsy, Jeanette) he attacked.

>

February 13, 2004

I'm sorry. I had no intention of fighting my way back here to be a

shit

disturber.

I never had a problem with Gareth. I accidently offended him once

when he

misunderstood what I had meant (story of my life) but I quickly

sorted that

out off list and he knew darn well I never intentionally offend

anyone. My

first reaction to his comment was to take back the " bonus points " I

had

given him last time I was here (Dec 2 - " Gareth gets the 50 bonus

points " )

until I remembered why I had given them to him (for his comment " And

Jypsy,

it only seemed like a little thing from the outside where i am, maybe

you

also are offended more than you ordinarily would be for some

reason? " ) and

realized maybe a " hang in there " would be more appropriate. ,

you're

obviously more " informed " than I and it's your list, your line to

draw. I

have read very little here since early Dec ... I've not been well...

(rather harsh, negative connotation you attached to some of those

words you

threw at Gareth but they might well describe me, hope you won't send

me

packing.....)

-jypsy

*************

We fell out? we did? umm... i cant remember that one......... Maybe

it was el lonely who was trying to pinch my name........ but they

cant manage it, cause it feels so empty, without me..... du du du du

du, du du du du du, (ok, its pretty hard to write a tune... i was

thinking of that eminem song, " cause it feels so empty without

me..... )

Right, im gonna go back through the archives till around the

beggining of december, see how this trouble maker has been wasting

his/her time.......

If anybody has an issue with me, *please* bring it up with me, even

if its only a litle thing, cause it may well be something this " dork-

knob " (snigger snigger) has done to piss you off intentionally......

Ho, hum, diddly dum........

All the best,

Gareth.

February 13, 2004

>

> > Right, im gonna go back through the archives till around the

> > beggining of december, see how this trouble maker has been

wasting

> > his/her time.......

>

> Gareth,

>

> There have only been a few messages from the imposter:

>

> gtleee1000@a...

> 12-14-2003 " Dating/singles sites "

> 12-25-2003 " Re: hoe's "

> 12-29-2003 " Re: Handling self-succumbed-to addictions "

> 12-31-2003 " Re: Disproving my theory "

>

> weegtlee1000@a...

> 1-22-2004 " has made this place for us "

> 2-9-2004 " Re: Unsolicited advice "

> 2-11-2004 " Re: cursing (was Unsolicited Advice "

>

> > If anybody has an issue with me, *please* bring it up with me,

even

> > if its only a litle thing, cause it may well be something

this " dork-

> > knob " (snigger snigger) has done to piss you off

intentionally......

>

> The faked messages have IP addresses in the headers that resolve to

> adelphia.net. That seems to be the dead giveaway.

>

> One thing intrigues me, though--

>

> If you were not on this list until today, that means you did not

see

> that faker posing as you posting the last message and getting

kicked off

> the list. So, how did you know to come to me _right_ at the same

> moment and complain about someone acting as an imposter? The

imposter

> has been here for months. Why now?

>

> I can see why the imposter just applied to 's list, and to

> AutAdvo... because s/he got kicked out of here, and was looking for

> somewhere else to impersonate you. But the actual you applied to

here

> and 's list at the same time.

>

*************

1) thanks for the lists frank, ill check them out soon.

2) With regards to why im here right now, ill send you a private e-

mail, but im bringing it up here for the group so they know its

because it involves individuals letting me know the score.... but im

not gonna put their names on the board for all to see, incase el

wierdo gets the goat about it and starts harrasing them.

REAL Gareth.

February 13, 2004

leefree12002 wrote:

> Hmmm. Well, it wasnt a pleasent post. Im doing this from memory

> now.... but it went a little something like....

>

> (well, actually, this is wiuthout some of the nastyness......... dont

> want to get barred again now, do i.....)

Again?

> Why SHOULDNT i rape some (insert slanderous description of sluts)

> woman? ive been nice all my life and have hardly ever been laid

> (insert prophetic whinging around here) And all the women do is go

> for the powerfull guy, not the nice guy (oops, yes, more whinging)

Everyone is free to choose sexual partners from the pool of willing

candidates. They are free not to choose you.

> And thats basically it. Well, like amanda says, if you have a want to

> read it, go to autism list (im nothing if not open about it) and

> look it up there.......

Disappointing. I had hoped that one was fake too (but that post had

gtlee1000@aol as the addy, not one of the faked ones). That post was the

reason I kicked the faker off instead of moderating him or her.

Normally I have a policy of not allowing words on other lists or

otherwise not on this list to affect my actions as moderator. In this

case, it was serious enough to make me consider that from another list.

But, now you are here again, and that is as it should be, since the

catalyst message was from someone else.

February 13, 2004

>

> > Hmmm. Well, it wasnt a pleasent post. Im doing this from memory

> > now.... but it went a little something like....

> >

> > (well, actually, this is wiuthout some of the nastyness.........

dont

> > want to get barred again now, do i.....)

>

> Again?

***********

Yeah, yahoo barred me, hence this name you see.

***********

>

> > Why SHOULDNT i rape some (insert slanderous description of sluts)

> > woman? ive been nice all my life and have hardly ever been laid

> > (insert prophetic whinging around here) And all the women do is

go

> > for the powerfull guy, not the nice guy (oops, yes, more

whinging)

>

> Everyone is free to choose sexual partners from the pool of willing

> candidates. They are free not to choose you.

*************

Absolutely. Entirely corrct . And im entitled to thik of them as

dumb farm animals for their choice. ( " I loooooove yooooou, pleeeease

dooooont hiiiiit meeeee agaaaaain... " i tried to say it like a sheep.

Like i say, im buggered if im gonna think less of myself because

normal women are attracted to bad men like flies to shit. so ill

think bad of them instead, problem sorted.

************

>

> > And thats basically it. Well, like amanda says, if you have a

want to

> > read it, go to autism list (im nothing if not open about it) and

> > look it up there.......

>

> Disappointing. I had hoped that one was fake too (but that post

had

> gtlee1000@aol as the addy, not one of the faked ones). That post

was the

> reason I kicked the faker off instead of moderating him or her.

> Normally I have a policy of not allowing words on other lists or

> otherwise not on this list to affect my actions as moderator. In

this

> case, it was serious enough to make me consider that from another

list.

> But, now you are here again, and that is as it should be, since the

> catalyst message was from someone else.

>

***************

Well, at least im always honest about these things. I found it very

amusing that i could have kept quiet about it, and this imposter

would have hit the roof! as im sure that was the catalyst that made

him/ her want to get me barred from all these lists..... that would

have been poetic justice, absolutely sweet justice to me. But, alas,,

i am aspergic, and this dishonesty would have bugged me a lot.... it

would be like from now on in treehouse i wouldnt have felt like i was

being me, and it would have been more destructive in the ned, a lot

more.

Still, it did make me chuckle.

All the best,

REAL Gareth.

February 13, 2004

But, im not a rapist, ill just talk about anything that gets my goat.

Especially yet ANOTHER night with no pussy, when a guy that

purposefully treats women like dogs often gets a whole pack of them

at his feet. So, i despise them..... its one stage better than

despising me...... which im not gonna do just cause they are stupid

anymore.

REAL Gareth

***********

OH MY GOD!

Ive just realised something..... If I changed the above paragraph

slightly, it would have sounded EXACTLY like one of jeanettes posts

when i fell out with her!

that is SO wierd for me to realise.

I guess i know where she is coming from now tho.

All the best,

Gareth.

February 13, 2004

leefree12002 wrote:

> 2) With regards to why im here right now, ill send you a private e-

> mail, but im bringing it up here for the group so they know its

> because it involves individuals letting me know the score.... but im

> not gonna put their names on the board for all to see, incase el

> wierdo gets the goat about it and starts harrasing them.

Got it. I had to admit that it caused some suspicion. It makes sense now.

I'm going to write to adelphia.net and give them the times and the IPs

in question, and if they decide to look in their logs, they can see who

had that IP assigned at each of those times, and see if they want to

keep that person as their subscriber.

February 13, 2004

> But, im not a rapist, ill just talk about anything that gets my

> goat. Especially yet ANOTHER night with no pussy, when a guy that

> purposefully treats women like dogs often gets a whole pack of them

> at his feet. So, i despise them..... its one stage better than

> despising me...... which im not gonna do just cause they are stupid

> anymore.

A straight NT woman once told me that she didn't really think the

" nice guys " who complained about the " mean guys " getting all the sex

were always all that nice themselves. Especially when she simply

didn't want to sleep with them, then they would turn really mean and

start telling her that she must want to sleep with some jerk who

mistreats them (which also wasn't true). All the while becoming more

verbally abusive toward her over her denial of a wish to have sex with

them, while ironically claiming to be the " nice guys " in the

situation.

You seem to be acting as a good example of that. (Although I have one

better -- the guy who sexually assaulted me the most frequently during

my childhood. He complained *constantly* that he was a nice,

non-abusive guy who wasn't getting any sex while all the jerks were

out getting sex. Meanwhile he messed with my head *and* my body at

the same time. He, at least, has sorted his priorities out by now and

*stopped* being a jerk, but he used to honestly believe that he wasn't

and that women were creeped out by him for no reason at all.)

If you want to cuss people out and act nasty toward them, why don't

you do it toward the ones who are *actually mistreating people*, who

are, by the way, the *real* people who perpetuate the

Stockholm-syndrome-like attitudes in the women (and men, given that

abuse is not perpetrated only toward one gender) who are so used to

jerks they don't know which way is up. Seems way more logical to get

mad at jerks than to simultaneously say a bunch of really scary stuff

and get mad at people who've been so messed up by jerks that they don

't know how to get away from them.

Your original post, though, essentially boiled (from a receptive

standpoint) down to " Why shouldn't I rape women [insert graphic

description here] and otherwise pick on people who are weaker than me?

Everyone else does it to me. " It said nothing about all the stuff

you describe above. And it was pretty disturbing, from a male *or* a

female standpoint.

February 13, 2004

>

> > 2) With regards to why im here right now, ill send you a private

e-

> > mail, but im bringing it up here for the group so they know its

> > because it involves individuals letting me know the score....

but im

> > not gonna put their names on the board for all to see, incase el

> > wierdo gets the goat about it and starts harrasing them.

>

> Got it. I had to admit that it caused some suspicion. It makes

sense now.

>

> I'm going to write to adelphia.net and give them the times and the

IPs

> in question, and if they decide to look in their logs, they can see

who

> had that IP assigned at each of those times, and see if they want

to

> keep that person as their subscriber.

>

**************

Go !

Superstar!

Thats so cool!

Im all pleased about this now.

Why did you decide to help me out On this ?

Thanks anyway mate,

Gareth.

February 13, 2004

Your original post, though, essentially boiled (from a receptive

standpoint) down to " Why shouldn't I rape women [insert graphic

description here] and otherwise pick on people who are weaker than me?

Everyone else does it to me. " It said nothing about all the stuff

you describe above. And it was pretty disturbing, from a male *or* a

female standpoint.

************

Yeah, it was pretty distubing, and im glad i sent it, really.

Its like, ive been trying all my life to be this nice guy, at first

up untill 15, because thats the way i had to be at home (cause my dad

is a pathetic dick that cant handle the tinyest amount of conflict)

and after that because i grew a sexual urge comparable to a gorrilas,

and it seemed logical to be extra nice to get into their knickers.

Now, ive got the niceness out of my head to a fair degree, and will

continue to get it out of my head.

Sure, i dont really like people who hit women, infact i hate it *BUT*

i cant be arsed worrying about it anymore. Women who are in an

abusive relationship need to get out, and if thats too much like

rocket science to them, then thats their hard luck. Im sick of caring

for people when i dont get what i want. Im gonna get what i want and

THEN im (maybe) gonna care about the faceless masses. This doesnt

include friends; if one of my friends was hit by her fella id be

straight round there, but NT women in general? nah, Pathetic, weak,

illogical, and nothing to do with me. If they love a guy who beats

them with a stick, then thats their look out.

Gareth.

February 13, 2004

leefree12002 wrote:

> Go !

>

> Superstar!

>

> Thats so cool!

>

> Im all pleased about this now.

>

> Why did you decide to help me out On this ?

>

> Thanks anyway mate, Gareth.

For several reasons. First of all, posing as someone else is wrong,

especially when that person uses that illusion to make the person look

bad.

Second, this person has disturbed the Treehouse and (to a much lesser

degree) AutAdvo with these posts, and attacked a few members of those

lists.

And third, the person made me complicit in this deception-- when

'gtleee1000' applied for Treehouse, I did not see the extra 'e', and

while I was not sure when you had signed off without me knowing about

it, I thought it was you re-applying, so I approved it. And then you

let me know that there was an imposter, so I cancelled the gtleee1000

account. I guess that was about when Yahoo cut you off (interestingly,

my logs show my approval of your account, but they do not show when you

stopped being a member-- you just disappeared). And then the

'weegtlee1000' person said that this was your new email address, to me,

and I believed it, and approved the new address. I think it was the

real you that had talked about getting a new email address, so I thought

that was it, and I approved it.

I will post the text of the letter I sent in the next message.

February 13, 2004

At 09:31 AM 2/13/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>We fell out? we did? umm... i cant remember that one.........

>All the best,

>Gareth.

send me a note off list with your address and I'll refresh your memory if

you like.... I keep *every* email....

-jypsy

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February 13, 2004

>Gareth,

my email to you bounced.... ?

-jypsy

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February 13, 2004

,

as a person who was abducted by a '''man''' in a car, raped as a child,

let go next to my bike which was so obscured by weeds even i had trouble

finding it- i may never have been found had he headed for the highway

instead of turning for my house and bringing meback near my home '''when

he was done with me'''.../, and i feel lucky to be alive every day , I

tried to write to gareth something similar to what you wrote and

couldn't. When someone starts a sentence with " Why shouldn't I rape

women " (even if it is all in jest <supposedly>) it CHILLS me. I rewrote

and rewrote and decided I had nothing to say. You said it well. thanks

kimberly

>> " leefree12002 " wrote:

> But, im not a rapist, ill just talk about anything that gets my goat.

Especially yet ANOTHER night with no pussy, when a guy that purposefully

treats women like dogs often gets a whole pack of them at his feet. So,

i despise them..... its one stage better than despising me...... which

im not gonna do just cause they are

stupid anymore.

>> " alfamanda " writes:

> A straight NT woman once told me that she didn't really think the

" nice guys " who complained about the " mean guys " getting all the sex

were always all that nice themselves. Especially when she simply didn't

want to sleep with them, then they would turn really mean and start

telling her that she must want to sleep with some jerk who mistreats

them (which also wasn't true).

All the while becoming more verbally abusive toward her over her denial

of a wish to have sex with them, while ironically claiming to be the

" nice guys " in the situation. You seem to be acting as a good example

of that. (Although I have one better -- the guy who sexually assaulted

me the most frequently during my childhood. He complained *constantly*

that he was a nice, non-abusive guy who wasn't getting any sex while all

the jerks were out getting sex. Meanwhile he messed with my head *and*

my body at the same time.

He, at least, has sorted his priorities out by now

and *stopped* being a jerk, but he used to honestly believe that he

wasn't and that women were creeped out by him for no reason at all.) If

you want to cuss people out and act nasty toward them, why don't

you do it toward the ones who are *actually mistreating people*, who

are, by the way, the *real* people who perpetuate the

Stockholm-syndrome-like attitudes in the women (and men, given that

abuse is not perpetrated only toward one gender) who are so used to

jerks they don't know which way is up. Seems way more logical to get

mad at jerks than to simultaneously say a bunch of really scary stuff

and get mad at people who've been so messed up by jerks that they don't

know how to get away from them.

Your original post, though, essentially boiled (from a receptive

standpoint) down to " Why shouldn't I rape women [insert graphic

description here] and otherwise pick on people who are weaker than me?

> Everyone else does it to me. " It said nothing about all the stuff

you describe above. And it was pretty disturbing, from a male *or* a

female standpoint.

>

February 13, 2004

I have a question

Why would anyone want to impersonate gareth in the first place?

here's another one? What do they have to gain from pretending to be

gareth, would they know him personally? It doesn't make sense.

K

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February 13, 2004

wrote:

> Why would anyone want to impersonate gareth in the first place?

It's a good question. Presumably, someone wants to make him

look bad.

> Here's another one? What do they have to gain from pretending

> to be gareth, would they know him personally? It doesn't make

> sense.

I don't know what anyone would " gain " from it, but it seems

like some kind of vendetta. I thought this thing had been

investigated a long time ago, like in December. I will add

this to the discussion: Sometimes I look at the Members List,

and I believe that the gtleee1000(at)yahoo.com address was

here as early as last August, or at least September. I had

thought that Gareth had reapplied for membership, and it was

just a typo that there were 3 e's instead of 2. I didn't

notice the " y " for yahoo instead of " a " for AOL. I know

that both addresses were here, one on top of the other, for

quite some time, until Gareth told and us that there

was an imposter, and removed the gtleee@ address. I

don't know if there were any posts from that address between

August and December 14th. I wonder if can find out

just when the gtleee@y account started?

Clay

February 13, 2004

If thats what you said Gareth,that doesnt amount to a* personal* threat of

rape,in my mind,anyway.

In fact ,you seem to be wanting to hear some alternative to free you from a

somewhat,sorry, perverse " answer " to your problem.

But then, i dont know what you exactly said.

Not that there isnt a disturbing level of extreme violence behind the sentiment

you express,but nevertheless,it seems,to me, more like a personal expression of

extreme frustration,a reaction to injustice,real or perceived.

Injustice,and apparent non sense of peoples choices,hurt,real bad,and hurt turns

to hate..and so on.

What we entertain in our heads doing to try to balance back the scales in an

" unjust " world is a long way from what we would actually carry through.

*You *might know that you wouldnt actually go ahead with such a thing,though

your outrage,at finding yourself in an open air assylum,if left to it ,may be

tempted...

...but no one else might know you arent planning heinous crimes against the free

will of people(women),particularly if they have been raped./victims of abuse

against their free will,

hence i am sure you can see why some people reacted with such horror,to your

comments.

I admit,i have ,in the past, entertained ideas of torturing people who did

things to me at school/elsewhere,but thats nowhere near me actually doing it,

(even if i thought i could get away with it),because then i become no more than

them,and because i know i cant weigh up peoples hearts and souls to dish out

exactly correct punishments/justice.

What if i get it wrong?

As you will know,rape is nothing to do with sex impulse,its to do with power.

The desire to dominate the will of another arises from a feeling of

powerlessness..left unresolved.

I guess no one has much power over anyone/anything,except their own

decisions/actions.

That is the only,the ultimate ,power any of us have.

For goodness sake Gareth,try not to waste such precious emotional energy on

stewing over their stupidity,though i know trhats hard..

Its not specifically to do with your AS,they(people,not women) do it to everyone

,yet you are taking it on as your problem.

Its no more the realm of women than men,NT/AS..the whole goddam world is

fickle,they say one thing..do another

Dont give credibility to stupidity,but give others the god given right to free

willed.. stupidity.

anna from ozz

leefree12002 wrote:

I wasn't someone who contacted , but Gareth was threatening to

rape women on another list with archives that are public enough that

anyone who wanted to could find them.

I assume that's what's being discussed.

***************

Hmmm. Well, it wasnt a pleasent post. Im doing this from memory

now.... but it went a little something like....

(well, actually, this is wiuthout some of the nastyness......... dont

want to get barred again now, do i.....)

Why SHOULDNT i rape some (insert slanderous description of sluts)

woman? ive been nice all my life and have hardly ever been laid

(insert prophetic whinging around here) And all the women do is go

for the powerfull guy, not the nice guy (oops, yes, more whinging)

And thats basically it. Well, like amanda says, if you have a want to

read it, go to autism list (im nothing if not open about it) and look

it up there.......

Its not nice, but then im not always nice. And ask yourselves this.

If your gonna be a rapist, if your goona go out and actually rape

somebody, do you...

a) go on national radio to tell the listeners your gonna do so.....

or

go on the autism list with the largest membership that i know of

and ask the members why i shouldnt,

Or

c) Smile in my 9-5 day job, dont act any different, put on a

balaclave around 10 when it gets dark, and go hunting, without any of

this list. radio/ etc prior mulling over of the pro's and cons?

People, im monumentally pissed off at normal women. They will stay

with a man that has kicked them several times in the stomach out of

love for him, but they wiull barely look at me twice in the street,

or at best have me as a friend and keep whoring round with men who

kick them out of bed in the morning.

Normal women are stupid creatures who piss the gifts god gave them up

the wall (mostly as a result of feminism making women feel they have

to be the equal of men, and so encouraging them to sleep around with

the highest bidder)

But, im not a rapist, ill just talk about anything that gets my goat.

Especially yet ANOTHER night with no pussy, when a guy that

purposefully treats women like dogs often gets a whole pack of them

at his feet. So, i despise them..... its one stage better than

despising me...... which im not gonna do just cause they are stupid

anymore.

REAL Gareth

February 13, 2004

> > Why would anyone want to impersonate gareth in the first place?

> It's a good question. Presumably, someone wants to make him

> look bad.

I don't even think there's necessarily any logic to it. Someone on

another mailing list has recently attacked me several times in a row

for no apparent reason. I'm not responding, but I don't see much

reason in this person picking me in particular, so I don't know that

there would be any reason in picking Gareth in particular for

impersonation.

February 13, 2004

,

What a terrible terrible thing to happen to you.

Thank you for giving others the chance to ,in some small way,imagine the horror

of such a violent abuse of your free will and dignity.

If you havent written off all males because of what one did,i congratulate you

for not falling into the " bigotry " trap.

I hope Gareth doesnt either.

Theres a saying that nothing that happens to you from the outside can really

,really destroy that true part of us,its only ourselves that can reach that

part,and we can destroy it by letting hate and fear take over.

So glad you are alive.!You are precious.

anna

D Tucker wrote: