Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 This is about an article I found online y/day via a press release from a medical media company. I found myself questioning the study's methods so I put the press release in my blog and " answered " it based on my reading of the original articl, which the p-r provides a link to (it'sin .pdf format). If I have time I might do more hands on reporting about it, but for what's it's worth -- http://tinyurl.com/c9tay or go to www.psa-rising/blog/ and scroll down. The p-r says in part: " Direct-to-consumer advertising promoting the use of erythropoietin to alleviate cancer-related fatigue fails to point out that the drug is only effective against fatigue caused by anemia. However, anemia is not a significant cause of fatigue in most cancer patients, according to a study in the December issue (Volume 8, Number 6) of Journal of Palliative Medicine, a peer-reviewed publication of Ann Liebert, Inc. " <snip> " Recently, however, drug companies have begun marketing drugs directly to consumers on television and in newspaper advertisements, touting the drugs’ ability to improve quality of life for cancer patients. Unfortunately, these ads invariably imply that a drug can help anyone. " 'This data will help physicians resist the patient and family pressure to use erythropoietin because they saw it on television,' says F. von Gunten, M.D., Ph.D., Editor-in- Chief of Journal of Palliative Medicine. 'There are different things that can be done to relieve fatigue. Erythropoietin is ineffective in relieving fatigue if anemia is not the cause. It is an expensive placebo.' " While the opinion is refreshing, I suppose, I don't see enough evidence for their hypothesis in this study, which never addressed causes of fatigue in " most cancer patients " in the first place -- but might end up being applied to most. I feel the press release overstates the study, which looked only at advanced patients in palliative care (no active tx) and looked only at paper trail, analysing charts of some 177 pts. I don't see they even tried or asked if a fatigued patient actually feels better or the same before and after epo or transfusion (regardless of where blood numbers say it's needed). And looks like they made no distinction between levels for a man and a woman. Even so, if it is true that for advanced cancer patients fatigue is independent of red blood counts, we need to know why, what else is going on, so as look for better ways of dealing with this fatigue-- which all the study patients, no matter how high or low their counts, said was their worst quality of life affecting symptom. The authors do see a correlation between fatigue and depress, feeling of well bning, and albumin level (a marker which Norman's oncologist told him was key in late stages). (For a bit on albumin see here: http://www.transweb.org/qa/qa_txp/faq_albumin.html In advanced cancer pts albumin level may be helped some by IV hydration or drinking plenty of fluids, possibly by fish oil: http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/129/6/1120 Low albumin is independent marker, really, of decline. Anyway, I wrote my blog " reply " late at night in a state of fog/fatigue. If anyone has clearer insight I'd appreciate hearing. Does anyone have experiences with being helped or not helped by taking epo/transfusion for fatigue while coping with advanced prostate cancer? My recollection when Norman was on chemo at an advanced stage of his PCa was that getting a transfusion was like proverbial blood from stone. At some large cancer hospitals they want to wait till numbers are " in the basement, " 7.5 g/dL and below. From what I read this varies: " A recent systematic review of the literature indicated that hemoglobin transfusion triggers currently vary between 70 g/L and 100 g/L (equivalent to 7.0 g/dL and 10.0 g/dL), and are most often between 80 g/L and 90g/L. " http://tinyurl.com/ddqva In a large cancer hospital, with many seriously ill cancer patients in waiting rooms and corridors, fatigue and anemia look almost normal. For busy outpatient clinics may be an inconvenience to have patients occupying chairs or stretchers for hours - the length of time it takes to get type and screen followed by transfusion - in addition to their chemo. And (crude thought) onclologists get virtually NO payoff from patient use of self-injectible Epo/Procrit, which now can be bought at cutprice online pharmacies. You depend on the oncology nurse and the oncologist to take in good faith - as Norman's did - this need for blood support. Norman was visibly and kinetically healthier after a transfusion or home injected Epo. Without supportive meds for red and white counts he would not have been able to maintain consistently the chemo he wanted. If taking transfusion or Epo had not helped pull him out of energy slumps I don't believe he would gone through the serious hassle of getting the prescriptions through his insurance. If we'd had to battle with doctors who outright told us he was asking for Epo because of ads on TV (when we never even watched TV), I would have thrown up. Your comments? best Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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