Re: AFib symptoms vs. Panic Attack

[Guest guest]

> The easiest way for me to tell if I am in AFib is taking my pulse and

> getting the irregular heartbeat. I do not get the shortness of

> breath, dizziness or general lousy feeling until I try to do

> something exerting(eg. walking quickly up a flight of stairs or

> getting up quickly from the prone position causes dizziness). After 8-

> 10 hours I get tired. My pulse only gets to about 80( 54-60 in NSR. I

> would think a panic attack would cause rapid, but regular heartbeat.

> Do others get the irregular heartbeat or is it a symptom that only

> some AFibbers notice?

>

I think all Afibbers have irregular heart beats (it's one of the features of

AFib) but some don't know they're in AF. Personally, I can always tell when I'm

going in, I have a series of misplaced beats that I can easily feel in my chest.

A few minutes later and the drums start to play. (I can often delay the onset if

I raise my heart rate when I get the first few ectopic beats). Once I'm in AF I

usually stay in for around 25 hours (max 41 hrs min 17 hrs). 40-60bpm in NSR

100-140 laying down in AF and around 180 if I start walking around too much.

Crucially, if I can manage to sleep the AF calms down and I often wake up in NSR

(the most pleasant way to wake up!). Oddly enough the most 'pleasant' way to go

into AF is sleeping. If I wake up in AF I usually find my heart rate is

reasonably low and the irregular rhythms of found their own rhythm if you know

what I mean.

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D

[Guest guest]

I have both a panic disorder and AFIB; Whenever I go into AFIB there is no

doubt; I dont even need to take my pulse; It feels very irregular and does

what I call a " tapdance " in my chest; At that point, its impossible for me

to determine my pulse unless an ambulance has arrived and an EKG can be

done; In addition, taking blood pressure is almost impossible as well; The

last time the guy in the ambulance said I had a blood pressure " by

palpitation " .

AFib symptoms vs. Panic Attack

> The easiest way for me to tell if I am in AFib is taking my pulse and

> getting the irregular heartbeat. I do not get the shortness of

> breath, dizziness or general lousy feeling until I try to do

> something exerting(eg. walking quickly up a flight of stairs or

> getting up quickly from the prone position causes dizziness). After 8-

> 10 hours I get tired. My pulse only gets to about 80( 54-60 in NSR. I

> would think a panic attack would cause rapid, but regular heartbeat.

> Do others get the irregular heartbeat or is it a symptom that only

> some AFibbers notice?

>

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[Guest guest]

There is no way that I can take my blood pressure when I go into Afib,

either. And

I, too, know the minute an epidsode is starting. I don't know if I have

extra beats or am

skipping beats (or both) but I have this awful feeling in my chest. Then I

feel discom-

fort in my throat that's harder to describe. It is actually painful right

in the small of my

throat and lasts for about an hour. It's a feeling like you have to 'burp'

but with hurting.

I also have to urinate a half dozen times during the first hour. It's only

after things

settle down a bit that I can get a blood pressure reading.

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[Guest guest]

Urinating is a common occurence. A natural diuretic is released. Dr Fred

[Guest guest]

- My e.p. has told me that there is a hormone exreted by the heart

when the heart goes into a.f., and this hormone has an effect upon the

kidneys causing the frequent urination. This is not uncommon at all. Dorean

[Guest guest]

I have yet to experience this phenomenon of frequent urination during AF

episodes; Perhaps I will later on; I have noticed that fatigue many times

will precede an attack, and I have always wondered if a hormone imbalance

doesnt play a role in AF.

Re: AFib symptoms vs. Panic Attack

> - My e.p. has told me that there is a hormone exreted by the

heart

> when the heart goes into a.f., and this hormone has an effect upon the

> kidneys causing the frequent urination. This is not uncommon at all.

Dorean

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> Its a good idea, and I will try to consult with a neurologist;

> I had a very interesting discussion with one of the club members

today who

> has consulted with several world renowned neurologists and he has a

very

> interesting theory regarding the neurological basis for AF;

Can you say more about this?

[Guest guest]

> Yes, in talking with this fine gentleman, an ex chemist, he stated

that his

> theory about AF is that in fact it is a neurological pathology

involving

> " cycles " ; That the autonomic nervous system has these periods

(which are

> definable if you keep a diary of your AF episodes) when it becomes

highly

> sensitive to ANY type of either sympathethic or vagal stimulation

and AF is

> almost inevitable; Then there are other times, when the cycle is at

its

> lowest point, where AF is almost impossible to trigger;

, this reminds me of some medical stuff I ran across a number of

years ago. There is a branch of medicine called something like

chronobiology which " didn't get no respect " back then. But

apparently is better regarded now. It involves time cycles. They

had legitimate medical research showing something about the ideal

time to do breast cancer operations, for example, in terms of the

subsequent danger of metasteses. It turned out the immune system

peaks (I have hazed out about this exactly) at a certain time of the

month in terms of a woman's cycle, so that is the best time to

operate because the immune system is best then at catching any

released cancer cells from the surgery.

Another example is one of my cats takes prednisone and the vet said

to give it at night, because the body (well, a cat's body) best picks

it up them.

A week or two ago,I started keeping a little notebook of when I have

episodes and side effects, what is happening in terms of medication,

etc. in hopes I can deduce something useful from this.