Re: when are those autistic.org people going to get their sh*t together?!

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> " It's interesting that the three who run the site autistics.org should seem

> to advocate those same positions about letting these damaged children grow

> up like weeds, and brag of their capacity, yet list a long list of

> correctable conditions that are robbing them of much of the joy of life and

> productivity. If my failing memory serves me, only one has held a paying

> job, and they all three have largely been dependent on Society to support

> them. I hasten to say, that does not make them any less a respected human

> being, but I certainly don't want them telling me or Moms of kids what they

> should do for their kids. "

Well, yes, I'd agree. There were a lot of correctable things, such as

being subjected to abusive behavioral programs, locked up in institutions,

merciless abuse by other kids, non-acceptance of our autistic traits by

others, being drugged with chemicals which cause permanent damage, etc.

It is sad that an appropriate and respectful education was denied to all

three people mentioned on that page, and that all three are living with

the effects of " autism treatment " . Somehow I don't think that is what

this person means though.

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[Guest guest]

On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 05:10, jypsy [ janet norman-bain ] wrote:

> Sheesh.....

> " It's interesting that the three who run the site autistics.org should seem

> to advocate those same positions about letting these damaged children grow

> up like weeds,

Weeds? I'm not really *surprised* he thinks that of us. Although it's

interesting that " weeds " are generally classified as " fast-proliferating

smallish plants that humans don't think are pretty enough or useful

enough to be classified as flowers and vegetables and stuff " . Is that

how he feels about autism?

> and brag of their capacity,

Huh? The predominantly-NT capacity to detect bragging where none exists

never fails to astound me.

> yet list a long list of

> correctable conditions

Some of them are correctable, most of them aren't. Some of them are not

things we *want* " corrected " , either (stimming comes to mind).

> that are robbing them of much of the joy of life and

> productivity.

I think all three of us actually have an unusually keen sense of the joy

of life, although I'd never really thought about it before because I'm

not used to that assumption.

> If my failing memory serves me, only one has held a paying

> job,

No, all of us have, only one *does*. (Two, possibly, now that there are

four of us, but I don't know a lot about the fourth person.)

> and they all three have largely been dependent on Society to support

> them.

Isn't everyone? (Although I think one of us qualifies supposedly, in

the usual arbitrary fashion, as " independent " .)

> I hasten to say, that does not make them any less a respected human

> being, but I certainly don't want them telling me or Moms of kids what

> they should do for their kids. "

So...

Basically, now it's either:

1. " You're too high-functioning to understand what Those Other People

need. "

or

2. " You're too f***ed up to understand what Those Other People need. "

?

And I suppose the fact that some of those so-called correctable

conditions come from the so-called therapies we're opposing has no

relevance.

> Seems him Mannatech products don't help his " failing memory " but can cure

> everything that ails the autistics.org crew....

People are very strange.

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[Guest guest]

> Weeds? I'm not really *surprised* he thinks that of us. Although it's

> interesting that " weeds " are generally classified as " fast-proliferating

> smallish plants that humans don't think are pretty enough or useful

> enough to be classified as flowers and vegetables and stuff " . Is that

> how he feels about autism?

http://www.earthandtable.com/glossary/plants/maladies/weeds.html

" Weeds compete with desirable plants for water, nutrients, space, and

light. " I think this is the issue... After all, we require support by

society (but non-weeds in a garden require water, nutrients, space, and

light too, they just happen to be wanted). I suppose the fix is simple:

Eliminate those damn weeds.

> Basically, now it's either:

>

> 1. " You're too high-functioning to understand what Those Other People

> need. "

>

> or

>

> 2. " You're too f***ed up to understand what Those Other People need. "

I think #2:

" You didn't have exactly the treatment we are describing, just one very

close to it. So you are ignorant of how wonderful that could have made

you. Only someone who has been cured can talk about cure. "

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[Guest guest]

On 6 May 2004, commented:

> " You didn't have exactly the treatment we are describing, just

> one very close to it. So you are ignorant of how wonderful that

> could have made you. Only someone who has been cured can talk

> about cure. "

Years ago, when I was in the midst of a job-hunt, I was offered

a " Management position " by the Church of Scientology, what I

refer to as the " Science Fiction Religion. " They even offered

me a contract. I did something they didn't expect. I read the

contract.

I was promised nothing. They're a religion, the don't need to

promise anything, money, benefits, anything. They did say that

I would be " allowed " to go through their " treatment " for my

hypothetical problems, that whole Engram thing. How very

charitable of them, huh?

Thing was, in my Management position, I would not be expected to

pay for this " treatment. " But if I ever chose to leave, I would

be required to pay them. Now of course, if the treatment

actually worked, I'd stay. So the only time I'd be expected to

pay if it -didn't- work. And of course, if it didn't work, I'd

never be allowed to talk about the fact that it didn't work.

I decided that signing a contract to devote the rest of my life

to a lie in exchange for nothing whatsoever was a Bad Idea.

Took a minimum wage cooking job instead. Anyway, of course,

since I never went through the chanting and sacrificing of

chickens, I'm not supposed to talk about Dianetics.

But if something is absurd on its face, I'm liable to say so.

Part of the condition, it's in The Book, you could look it up.

If someone has a " treatment " for a condition that even they must

admit -doesn't- make the condition go away or even get better,

it is just plain flat stoopid for them to assume I won't say so.

If the Emperor has no clothes, the Emperor has no clothes, even

if the Emperor is the head of a 501.c.3 non-profit.

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" Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you

everywhere. "

Albert Einstein (1879-1955); physicist and mathematician.