Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Hi , I can answer that question. The coil machine is a surprise attack on the spirochete. Imagine if you will, being hit by a stun gun, could you move away from it? Abx and other antimicrobials retreat because they know that as the antimicrobials are delivered via the blood stream, they need to move elsewhere to survive. Rife on the other hand sends the mortal oscillating frequency throughout the entire body and there is no escape. It is also thought that salt/c will not encyst the disease because not only does it salinate the blood, but the entire body which makes it a hostile living environment for Lyme. MMS works to oxygenate the body and it is thought that if the body is oxygenated enough, that the microbes once again have no place to retreat to. The only place that rife does not effect Lyme is when it is encysted, because Lyme is very good at hiding in the cells of the body and evading treatment. That is why many people use things like Serrapeptase or Natokinase while rifing to help eliminate the biofilms and break open the cysts. I have also heard that grapefruit seed extract can reach into cysts, but I am not sure and my thoughts are since it is an antimicrobial, it would be better to wait until you have eradicated Lyme before using it. People who do no antimicrobials or antibiotics, have the best success with totally eradicating Lyme with a coil machine, because less is encysted. I use Grapefruit Seed Extract now in hopes of getting any microbes that are still encysted, so far I only had a small two day flare up this spring and one coil session for 12 minute eradicated it. Stolar has not had a Lyme flare up in 4 years and it has been almost twenty years since Doug Maclean had his last Lyme flare up. I hope this helps clear up why Coiling is probably the most effective treatment against Lyme. > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information... > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > Thanks for all your help. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I am new to this forum, but why couldn't you take a couple of Flagyl to poison the cysts and force the spirochetes out where coiling would kill them ? Cliff > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information... > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I do not believe that Flagyl can get into the cysts nor will it force the spirochetes out, but I am sure the more experienced can clarify this. > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information... > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hi Cliff, You can take Flagyl, but a couple will never work... You would need 1500 mgs daily and for months... For some, me included, Flagyl is a terrible antibiotic (abx) to take.. I was prescribed IV Rocephin and oral Flagyl for 14 weeks and it was the worst experience of my life... I had to stop Flagyl at 12 weeks, after that I felt fine with just the IV Rocephin, so it was the Flagyl making me feel so terrible... AND, there are a few serious side effects of Flagyl... One is peripherial neuropathy of the hands or feet or both... I was lucky, I only got PN on both my feet, that was 5 years ago and I still have it... Some do okay with Flagyl, but others don't and it is often to late to do anything once the PN startes... Also, it is believe after a while these drugs may stop working for their intended purpose.. There are natural supps that can be used instead and are much safer... If you are using good killing protocols, as cysts morph back into bacteria (spirochetes), then you will kill them quickly and over time there will be less cysts and thus less spiro's and thus less herxing... The key is to always be using something to kill these bacteria... Take care, Jim > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information... > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Jim -- Thanks again for the reply. The basis for my comment is my LLMD prescribed a drug regimen which included 1000 mg of Flagyl/day for 3 days at the end my " drug week " , followed by 3 drug free weeks. So, I was assuming that he wanted to poison the cysts, and give the spiro a full 3 weeks to (re)enter the blood stream, and then hit them with another round of 3-4 (other) abx. I never have had a reaction to Flagyl, so I guess i'm in the minority. I also have had PN for almost 5 years now, but it started with all the other Lyme symptoms --- well before I started with any Flagyl. Gabapentin was a life saver for me....the only way I could get any sleep.. I haven't had a Herx with the any of his revised drug regimens in a couple of years....maybe its because I didn't take enough Flagyl, or, maybe because the other abx have driven the spiro into cysts. Regardless, several of my immune markers are still borderline normal....which is why I'm changing direction and pursuing the Rife route. I've just started taking the Grapefruit seed as well. I agree with your philosophy that you have to be proactive to stay on top of these bugs....as evidenced by Rosner's update this week.. Cliff > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information... > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Hi Cliff, It is possible that your LLMD is working off of an abx protocol this is successful for him.. I've not heard of 1 week on, 3 weeks off, but if he has enough experience with this and also successes, then that is a good thing... I've always maintained the difference between the better LLMDs and the not so better ones is how they administer the abx... What I also like about this protocol is it gives you time to herx and time for the body to heal before getting whacked with the next dose of abx... These are really tough on the body, yet some doctors prescribe them for years at a time!! I would think breaking from Flagyl for 3 weeks may protect you from the more serious side effects... Since many LLMDs prescribe for months at a time, this most likely is the cause of these side effects... My PN started in the 11th week, neither my LLMD nor pharmacist pointed out the warnings of this drug, my wife went online and read the side effects of the two abx I was using and found Flagyl can cause PN, I stopped taking it.. Is it possible you are symptom free? Odd you don't herx, abx often gives too much of a herx. The BIG problem with abx is when someone is told they are cured, the abx is stopped and they go on with their lives. But unfortunately for some/many the relapse is far worse than the disease itself... I have to wonder if this is what your LLMD is protecting you from? If so, he is a wise doctor as I have never heard of any doctor even remotely concerned about relapses, yet many who join our group tell me they were " cured " but then relapsed and often it is much worse. With natural treatments, I tell everyone if one day you are " cured " always continue on a maintenace dose of whatever it was you were using that got you to better health.. This protects against the cyst forms that still may be lurking... There is no way to tell if we ever get rid of every bacteria and cyst, so continuing on with a lower dose of our protocol is good insurance to prevent a relapse. Grapefruit seed extract is thought to be a good cyst buster and does not have any dangerous side effects I know of.. Take care, Jim > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information... > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Jim, You said that grapefruit seed extract is a good cyst buster. Where are you getting that from? It is an herbal antibiotic and I would thus think that it creates a hostile environment. What am I missing? Brad To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 8:19:39 PMSubject: Re: effective for cysts Hi Cliff,It is possible that your LLMD is working off of an abx protocol this is successfulfor him.. I've not heard of 1 week on, 3 weeks off, but if he has enough experiencewith this and also successes, then that is a good thing... I've always maintained thedifference between the better LLMDs and the not so better ones is how they administerthe abx... What I also like about this protocol is it gives you time to herx and timefor the body to heal before getting whacked with the next dose of abx... Theseare really tough on the body, yet some doctors prescribe them for years at a time!!I would think breaking from Flagyl for 3 weeks may protect you from the more seriousside effects... Since many LLMDs prescribe for months at a time, this most likely is thecause of these side effects... My PN started in the 11th week, neither my LLMD norpharmacist pointed out the warnings of this drug, my wife went online and read the side effects of the two abx I was using and found Flagyl can cause PN, I stopped taking it.. Is it possible you are symptom free? Odd you don't herx, abx often gives too muchof a herx. The BIG problem with abx is when someone is told they are cured, the abxis stopped and they go on with their lives. But unfortunately for some/many the relapseis far worse than the disease itself... I have to wonder if this is what your LLMD is protectingyou from? If so, he is a wise doctor as I have never heard of any doctor even remotely concernedabout relapses, yet many who join our group tell me they were "cured" but then relapsed and oftenit is much worse. With natural treatments, I tell everyone if one day you are "cured" always continue on a maintenace dose of whatever it was you were using that got you to better health..This protects against the cyst forms that still may be lurking... There is no way to tell if weever get rid of every bacteria and cyst, so continuing on with a lower dose of our protocol is good insurance to prevent a relapse.Grapefruit seed extract is thought to be a good cyst buster and does not have any dangerousside effects I know of.. Take care,Jim> > > > >> > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts?> > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused with all the information...> > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts indefinitely? > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary expense? > > > > > Thanks for all your help.> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Hi Brad, Grapefruit seed extract has been used by the Lyme community for some time as a cyst buster... Here is a reference in PubMed about this... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17565468 There are studies/abstracts on pubmed.com Grapefruit Seed Extract is a Powerful In Vitro Agent Against Motile and Cystic Forms of Borrelia burgdorferi Sensu Lato Infection. 2007 Jun;35(3):206-8. Brorson O, Brorson SH. Lyme borreliosis [1], caused by B. burgdorferi sensu lato, may lead to long-term tissue infection, which may be difficult to cure. The outcome of Lyme borreliosis is highly dependant on the antibiotic treatment [2]. The observation of the ability of B. burgdorferi sensu lato to convert (and reconvert) to cystic forms [3–5] may explain why the infection sometimes is persistent and reactivating. Therefore, it might be important to eradicate all germative forms (not only the motile form) of the bacterium to obtain a proper treatment for Lyme borreliosis. Grapefruit-seed extract (GSE) contains bioactive flavenoids (e.g., hesperitin, resveratrol, and naringenin) and has been shown to possess anti-microbiological effect against bacteria and fungus [6,7]. Many studies indicate that GSE is a substance whose therapeutic effect ranks equal to or better than other known anti-bacterial agents. Conclusion: The highest GSE concentrations made the bacteria and cysts disappear completely, leaving only small uncharacteristic fragments; at lower GSE-levels the membranes showed herniation and disruption, and the contents had leaked out. The MBC was strongly dependent on the length of the incubation. GSE was very active even for very short incubation times, in agreement with previous results [7]. The MBC obtained by DFM for the motile bacteria agreed well with the TEM results. Presence of GSE reduced the conversion from spirochetes to cysts when the susceptibility testing was performed in distilled water. This study was performed in vitro and further studies are needed to demonstrate eventual effects in vivo. From our results it will be rational to test the hypothesis that a combination of GSE and antibiotics will be efficient in the treatment of resistant Lyme borreliosis. GrapeFRUIT seed extract should not be confused with graped seed extract, similar names, but different products. Take care, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > >with all the information... > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > >expense? > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 How to take grapfruit seed extract? sitting my shelf for long time. Afraid to take it. from my past experience, It is so strong that it chucked my throat .. Subject: Re: effective for cystsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 12:21 PM Hi Brad,Grapefruit seed extract has been used by the Lyme community for some time as a cyst buster... Here is a reference in PubMed about this...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17565468There are studies/abstracts on pubmed.com Grapefruit Seed Extract is a Powerful In Vitro Agent Against Motile and Cystic Forms of Borreliaburgdorferi Sensu LatoInfection. 2007 Jun;35(3):206-8. Brorson O, Brorson SH.Lyme borreliosis [1], caused by B. burgdorferi sensu lato, may lead to long-term tissue infection, which may be difficult to cure. The outcome of Lyme borreliosis is highly dependant on the antibiotic treatment [2]. The observation of the ability of B. burgdorferi sensu lato to convert (and reconvert) to cystic forms [3–5] may explain why the infection sometimes is persistent and reactivating. Therefore, it might be important to eradicate all germative forms (not only the motile form) of the bacterium to obtain a proper treatment for Lyme borreliosis. Grapefruit-seed extract (GSE) contains bioactive flavenoids (e.g., hesperitin, resveratrol, and naringenin) and has been shown to possess anti-microbiological effect against bacteria and fungus [6,7]. Many studies indicate that GSE is a substance whose therapeutic effect ranks equal to or better than otherknown anti-bacterial agents.Conclusion: The highest GSE concentrations made the bacteria and cysts disappear completely, leaving only small uncharacteristic fragments; at lower GSE-levels the membranes showed herniation and disruption, and the contents had leaked out. The MBC was strongly dependent on the length of the incubation. GSE was very active even for very short incubation times, in agreement with previous results [7]. The MBC obtained by DFM for the motile bacteria agreed well with the TEM results. Presence of GSE reduced the conversion from spirochetes to cysts when the susceptibility testing was performed in distilled water. This study was performed in vitro and further studies are needed to demonstrate eventual effects in vivo. From our results it will be rational to test the hypothesis that a combination of GSE and antibiotics will be efficient in the treatment of resistant Lyme borreliosis.GrapeFRUIT seed extract should not be confused with graped seed extract, similar names, but different products.Take care,Jim> > > > > >> > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts?> > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > >with all the information...> > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > >indefinitely? > >> > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > >expense? > >> > > > > > Thanks for all your help.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Hi Helen, I think it is like anything, you must slowly ramp up. I am taking only one drop, because that is all that I energy test for. It is pretty nasty tasting stuff so I am glad, I don't need to take more. I am mainly taking it because it also has anti-fungal properties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 do you take straight one drop or you can dilute it with water? Subject: Re: effective for cystsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:51 PM Hi Helen,I think it is like anything, you must slowly ramp up. I am taking only one drop, because that is all that I energy test for. It is pretty nasty tasting stuff so I am glad, I don't need to take more. I am mainly taking it because it also has anti-fungal properties.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts?> > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > >with all the information...> > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > >indefinitely? > > >> > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > >expense? > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for all your help.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Hi Helen, I usually take all supps with at least 8 oz of water. This way there is no chance of it causing any issues in your throat... Take care, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 One drop in a glass of water and trust me you still taste it. No wonder it kills bugs, they take one taste of the stuff and bail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Jim,Do you know if the study was on the liquid or the tablets?I cannot tolerate the liquid (although, I would put it into a gel capsule to swallow and avoid the taste). It burned my bladder. I could tolerate the tablets just fine - but, since I didn't get the burning I wonder if they are effective. I wonder if MMS is a better cyst buster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 For me, taking it in water is not an option. Once when I was sick my husband gave me a glass of water with 15 drops! Wow! It has such a horrible taste to it. But, if taken in OJ is is pretty palatable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi , After taking Dr. Klinghardt's ozonated Rhizol oils, I guess I can tolerate anything, if I hold my nose long enough. The strong clove taste in the Rhizols was so bad that I threw up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi , You can not use orange juice with MMS! It has too much Vit C in it... The OJ instantly neutralizes the MMS.. SunSweet Prune Juice works well, there is no Vit C added and it does a great job of masking the taste... This from Jim Humble's website: >>>Do not use orange juice. Do not use juices with added vitamin C or ascorbic acid added. Do not use concentrated juices that must have water added to them. Do not use nectars, that is juices made from grinding the pulp of fruits. Fresh juices are best. <<<< Take care, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi , You can not use orange juice with MMS! It has too much Vit C in it... The OJ instantly neutralizes the MMS.. SunSweet Prune Juice works well, there is no Vit C added and it does a great job of masking the taste... This from Jim Humble's website: >>>Do not use orange juice. Do not use juices with added vitamin C or ascorbic acid added. Do not use concentrated juices that must have water added to them. Do not use nectars, that is juices made from grinding the pulp of fruits. Fresh juices are best. <<<< Take care, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Re: effective for cystsi find grapefruit seed extract better than the tablets , it seems stronger to me.I usually take it by mixing it with other juice even some grapefruit juice so you dont taste the bitterness so much , its much easier to take.Just not too much juice though because of sugar and yeast issuesjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 How does the grapefruit seed extract manage to reach throughout the body and cross the BBB? I keep finding contradicting info that it cannot penetrate through the body and only goes through the gut, but then also info that says it can kill cysts and dormant forms throughout the body. Very confusing . Athena > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 It's completely unnecessary to torture yourselves with the taste of GSE. Just buy empty OO veggie or gelatin capsules on vitacost or anywhere online and put the GSE in there and swallow with water.. won't have to taste any of it. Athena > > Re: effective for cysts > > i find grapefruit seed extract better than the tablets , it seems stronger to me.I usually take it by mixing it with other juice even some grapefruit juice so you dont taste the bitterness so much , its much easier to take.Just not too much juice though because of sugar and yeast issues > jan > > � > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Jim, I apologize, I thought she was referring to the grapefruit seed extract not the MMS, and yes, I am aware you cannot take Vitamin C close to taking the MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may be a really silly question, but do any of these protocols > > > > > >discussed (mms, salt/c, rife)kill the cysts and the Bb within? Or, are we just > > > > > >trying to kill the bacteria as soon as they leave the cysts? > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to read past posts, but I guess am getting confused > > > > > >with all the information... > > > > > > > > > > If the coil, for example, kills the Bb, why wouldn't Bb retreat into > > > > > >cysts and remain, especially during coiling? Can they stay in cysts > > > > > >indefinitely? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend mentioned buying the GB4000. I was decided on the Doug Coil > > > > > >machine. But, he mentioned that they work differently. Does anyone on the list > > > > > >have or feel that both would work complementary or is that an unnecessary > > > > > >expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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