Re: Digest Number 798

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In a message dated 11/17/00 5:54:08 AM Central Standard Time, egroups writes:

I agree...but the problem is that I have not been able to rid myself of the

feeling that the house ought to be spotless....I don't keep it that way...I

just don't have peace with it yet.....!!!!

Ada,

I know what you mean. It seems to take me years to come to peace with some of the losses that PA has caused in my life. Just because you know it intellectually doesn't mean you feel comfortably with it emotionally.

Dwanna

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Toma,

I think it is WONDERFUL that your dr will do what you want.... its soooo

rare to find even that in a dr! That said, I think the only thing that will

convince someone like this (unless he asks for the info) is for your son to

be WELL!!! So keep " using " him and then when all is said and done and he

wants to know what you did then tell him!

Laurie

Mom to Grace 3.9

> From: egroups

> Reply- egroups

> Date: 17 Jan 2001 20:54:42 -0000

> egroups

> Subject: [ ] Digest Number 798

>

> Anyhow my point is that today I went in to request the tests needed for

> chelation and I finally realised that this guy thinks that there is nothing

> useful in anything we're doing. I got that pity look like he was just

> helping us keep hope alive and it's been driving me nuts since. I would

> like to put together a list of documents and websites to send him to that

> has medical proof of the diet, supplements and chelation. Medical jargon

> welcomed. If you guys can send me some sites I'd be grateful! If I can

> educate one MD I'll be happy.

>

>

> Toma

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Hey Marsha,

I posted a message about how I juiced carrots, beets, turnip greens, collard greens and cellerry. I also eat them as well. That really gives you a lot of energy. Its good for stress and all types of diseases. You are welcome.

Btw Terri have you tried the above?

Claude

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In a message dated 4/24/01 4:15:14 PM Central Daylight Time, bowel cleanse writes:

Is this the same thing as the Homozon and Bioxy Cleanse programs? Just wondering because when I use the Bioxy, I have been having problems with burning on elimination. It's supposed to be, I think, Magnesium Oxide (MgO) and beneficial gases (O3) (which I think is ozone?) Is this supposed to burn? I don't understand why noone else has the burning that I experience with this product, since I'm using it as directed. Maybe it's the mercury in my body from the amalgam fillings leakage that causes it to burn when combined with the oxygen?? Anyone know?

Rhonda

I think that your are going through a cleansing period. I would keep using the homozon. Homozon is also good for detoxing mercury.

Claude

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In a message dated 4/24/01 4:15:14 PM Central Daylight Time, bowel cleanse writes:

I was wondering if there are any single/divorced women who are looking for a boyfriend who is concerned about good health. I am looking for a woman who is interested in taking care of her body and digestive system too. Two healthy people can have a long, happy life together. I am 45, but look 35, no kids and very single and attractive. Jon

Good boy Jon. LOL

Claude

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In a message dated 4/24/01 4:15:14 PM Central Daylight Time, bowel cleanse writes:

bigger the better!

I have done many different colon cleanses and nothing works better then homozon.

Claude

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Thanks Claude!

I'm trying to really give my liver a boost, so since you recommended

those beets with their greens, and I've lived through them...and actually

like them...I've been juicing every dark colored thing I can get my hands on.

This is war!!! Thanks for the ammo!!!

Marsha <>{

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I am very sorry that I didn't make myself clearer.

Here is an interview with a ex-Taliban bodyguard from the London Telegraph.

There really is only two sides.

Just because I have stood on the side lines in the past to protect my purity

of heart, there comes a time when I have to get my hands dirty and confront

the evil of my time as did my counry men in the past.

There is a time for " the world " to flush out " the world liver " so that we

all can see clearly again.

May we soon all live in peace.

Dr Bob

I was one of the Taliban's torturers: I crucified people

(Filed: 30/09/2001)

In an astonishing interview with Lamb, the Afghan leader's former

bodyguard reveals the full brutality of the fundamentalist regime sheltering

Osama bin Laden

" YOU must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area

people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve

people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the

screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives

he will never again have a night's sleep. "

These were the instructions of the commandant of the Afghan secret police to

his new recruits. For more than three years one of those recruits, Hafiz

Sadiqulla Hassani, ruthlessly carried out his orders. But sickened by the

atrocities that he was forced to commit, last week he defected to Pakistan,

joining a growing number of Taliban officials who are escaping across the

border.

In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, he reveals for the first time

the full horror of what has been happening in the name of religion in

Afghanistan. Mr Hassani has the pinched face and restless hands of a man

whose night hours are as haunted as any of his victims. Now aged 30, he does

not, however, fit the militant Islamic stereotype usually associated with

the Taliban.

Married with a wife and one-year-old daughter, he holds a degree in business

studies, having been educated in Pakistan, where he grew up as a refugee

while his father and elder brothers fought in the jihad against the

Russians. His family was well off, owning land and property in Kandahar to

which they returned after the war.

" Like many people, I did not become a Talib by choice, " he explained. " In

early 1998 I was working as an accountant here in Quetta when I heard that

my grandfather - who was 85 - had been arrested by the Taliban in Kandahar

and was being badly beaten. They would only release him if he provided a

member of his family as a conscript, so I had to go. "

Mr Hassani at first was impressed by the Taliban. " It had been a crazy

situation after the Russians left, the country was divided by warring groups

all fighting each other. In Kandahar warlords were selling everything,

kidnapping young girls and boys, robbing people, and the Taliban seemed like

good people who brought law and order. "

So he became a Taliban " volunteer " , assigned to the secret police. Many of

his friends also joined up as land owners in Kandahar were threatened that

they must either ally themselves with the Taliban or lose their property.

Others were bribed to join with money given to the Taliban by drug

smugglers, as Afghanistan became the world's largest producer of heroin.

At first, Mr Hassani's job was to patrol the streets at night looking for

thieves and signs of subversion. However, as the Taliban leadership began

issuing more and more extreme edicts, his duties changed.

Instead of just searching for criminals, the night patrols were instructed

to seek out people watching videos, playing cards or, bizarrely, keeping

caged birds. Men without long enough beards were to be arrested, as was any

woman who dared venture outside her house. Even owning a kite became a

criminal offence.

The state of terror spread by the Taliban was so pervasive that it began to

seem as if the whole country was spying on each other. " As we drove around

at night with our guns, local people would come to us and say there's

someone watching a video in this house or some men playing cards in that

house, " he said.

" Basically any form of pleasure was outlawed, " Mr Hassani said, " and if we

found people doing any of these things we would beat them with staves soaked

in water - like a knife cutting through meat - until the room ran with their

blood or their spines snapped. Then we would leave them with no food or

water in rooms filled with insects until they died.

" We always tried to do different things: we would put some of them standing

on their heads to sleep, hang others upside down with their legs tied

together. We would stretch the arms out of others and nail them to posts

like crucifixions.

" Sometimes we would throw bread to them to make them crawl. Then I would

write the report to our commanding officer so he could see how innovative we

had been. "

Here, sitting in the stillness of an orchard in Quetta sipping tea as the

sun goes down, he finds it hard to explain how he could have done such

things. " We Afghans have grown too used to violence, " is all he can offer.

" We have lost 1.5 million people. All of us have brothers and fathers up

there. "

After Kandahar, he was put in charge of secret police cells in the towns of

Ghazni and then Herat, a beautiful Persian city in western Afghanistan that

had suffered greatly during the Soviet occupation and had been one of the

last places to fall to the Taliban.

Herat had always been a relatively liberal place where women would dance at

weddings and many girls went to school - but the Taliban were determined to

put an end to all that. Mr Hassani and his men were told to be particularly

cruel to Heratis.

It was his experience of that cruelty that made Mr Hassani determined to let

the world know what was happening in Afghanistan. " Maybe the worst thing I

saw, " he said, " was a man beaten so much, such a pulp of skin and blood,

that it was impossible to tell whether he had clothes on or not. Every time

he fell unconscious, we rubbed salt into his wounds to make him scream.

" Nowhere else in the world has such barbarity and cruelty as in Afghanistan.

At that time I swore an oath that I will devote myself to the Afghan people

and telling the world what is happening. "

Before he could escape, however, because he comes from the same tribe, he

spent time as a bodyguard for Mullah , the reclusive spiritual leader of

the Taliban.

" He's medium height, slightly fat, with an artificial green eye which

doesn't move, and he would sit on a bed issuing instructions and giving

people dollars from a tin trunk, " said Mr Hassani. " He doesn't say much,

which is just as well as he's a very stupid man. He knows only how to write

his name `' and sign it.

" It is the first time in Afghanistan's history that the lower classes are

governing and by force. There are no educated people in this administration

- they are all totally backward and illiterate.

" They have no idea of the history of the country and although they call

themselves mullahs they have no idea of Islam. Nowhere does it say men must

have beards or women cannot be educated; in fact, the Koran says people must

seek education. "

He became convinced that the Taliban were not really in control. " We laughed

when we heard the Americans asking Mullah to hand over Osama bin

Laden, " he said. " The Americans are crazy. It is Osama bin Laden who can

hand over Mullah - not the other way round. "

While stationed in Kandahar, he often saw bin Laden in a convoy of Toyota

Land Cruisers all with darkened windows and festooned with radio antennae.

" They would whizz through the town, seven or eight cars at a time. His

guards were all Arabs and very tall people, or Sudanese with curly hair. "

He was also on guard once when bin Laden joined Mullah for a bird shoot

on his estate. " They seemed to get on well, " he said. " They would go fishing

together, too - with hand grenades. "

The Arabs, according to Mr Hassani, have taken de facto control of his

country. " All the important places of Kandahar are now under Arab control -

the airport, the military courts, the tank command. "

Twice he attended Taliban training camps and on both occasions they were run

by Arabs as well as Pakistanis. " The first one I went to lasted 10 days in

the Yellow Desert in Helmand province, a place where the Saudi princes used

to hunt, so it has its own airport.

It was incredibly well guarded and there were many Pakistanis there, both

students from religious schools and military instructors. The Taliban is

full of Pakistanis. "

He was told that if he died while fighting under the white flag of the

Taliban, he and his family would go to paradise. The soldiers were given

blank marriage certificates signed by a mullah and were encouraged to " take

wives " during battle, basically a licence to rape.

When Mr Hassani was sent to the front line in Bagram, north of Kabul, a few

months ago, he saw a chance to escape. " Our line was attacked by the

Northern Alliance and they almost defeated us. Many of my friends were

killed and we didn't know who was fighting who; there was killing from

behind and in front. Our commanders fled in cars leaving us behind.

" We left, running all night but then came to a line of Arabs who arrested us

and took us back to the front line. One night last month I was on watch and

saw a truck full of sheep and goats, so I jumped in and escaped.

" I got back to Kandahar but Taliban spies saw me and I was arrested and

interrogated. Luckily I have relatives who are high ranking Taliban members

so they helped me get out and eventually I escaped to Quetta to my wife and

daughter.

" I think many in the Taliban would like to escape. The country is starving

and joining is the only way to get food and keep your land. Otherwise there

is a lot of hatred. I hate both what it does and what it turned me into. "

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Hi, yes there is a blood test for the allergies I had my daughters tested

before going threw the diet thing because its so hard an $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so

hers came back fine. The other issues i don't know my daughters only

three,but do you put anything in her bath water that would cause yeast

infections? sometimes antiboticis cause them also good luck

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Well, I'm beginning to learn to get into the swing of things. I was

noticing how easy the recipes in NT seem for cultured veggies, so I've

decided when I get paid on Friday I'm going to buy the ingredients

needed and spend the next weekend making cultured veggies to fill up my

extra frig. in the basement. This last week was the stock I put up in

the freezer. I also put a freezer on lay-a-way, so I can do a lot more

and have room for that quarter (pasture-fed) cow I've got coming by the

end of summer. Right now, my reg. freezer is loaded with free-range

organic chickens, broth and some organic sprouted bread I bought through

the co-op.

I was reading some of Dom's Kefir site last night and I too noticed

the recipe for kefirkraut, amongst many other recipes that look

intriguing. I thought the same thing as ny, that kefir grains have

got to make the culturing of veggies a lot easier. Therefore, I think

I'll try some of those kefir recipes too.

Robin

<<Actually, I cheat a lot too! Lately I've taken to using cultured

vegies for my " vegie portion " of each meal. I try to have a meat, a

vegetable, and some fat and starch/sugar at each meal: the meat is easy

and reheats well, but reheated vegies are mushy. So now I just spoon in

some pickled vegies -- crunchy, spicy, no chopping! Like Kyoko says:

" make kimchi and you won't have to cook for a week " ! (The Koreans add

fish to their kimchi too -- so it's pretty much a meal on its own).

Cold salads are nice too -- like the Italian tomato, mozzarella, olive

oil, basil, onion, balsamic vineger: Mix it up and put it in the fridge.

Open when hungry. Actually that one will please the raw-foodists too?

NT cooking doesn't HAVE to be time-consuming. It takes some practice

though, and freezing stuff in advance (like broth!) helps. I freeze

waffles too, for the family (I don't like them myself) so they can pop

them in the toaster oven as needed.>>

<<While I have not yet fermented just carrots with ginger, I just put in

the fridge my best yet batch of kefirkraut that was made with one head

of cabbage, some grated ginger, and about 8 carrots. I shredded the

veggies, added one tablespoon of salt, layered them with a few kefir

grains in a glass cookie jar, weighted them down, added water to cover,

and let them ferment for one week at room temperature. After a few days

I skimmed off some foam. The finished kraut is fresh, sour, crunchy,

delicious, and not the least bit slimy.

I am convinced that kefir grains are the easiest way to make perfect

fermented veggies. Their probiotic spectrum simply doesn't allow nasties

to grow, and kefir grains are mindlessly simple to keep and maintain.>>

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Hi Bridgette B.

I work at an Emergency Vet Hospital in the Bay Area in California. I used the

pharmacy trainer program and passed the PTCE on the first try ( I had also taken

the Pharmacy Tech course at the local college too....but had finished school

almost 4 months prior to taking the PTCE....the pharmacy trainer website helped

immensely as well as did this group!)

-Liz

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There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Hello

From: " Bridget Burton "

2. Re: Hello

From: " nutterbutter818 "

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Message: 1

Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:27:19 -0000

From: " Bridget Burton "

Subject: Hello

Hi All,

Just wanted to introduce myself. I am a certified Vet Tech with over

25 yrs in the field. My passion is dog training but I am in the midst

of changing professions.

As a vet tech I have had tons of medical experience but the hours are

too variable for me and I am hoping to find a more reasonable

schedule.

Has anyone had any experience with the Pharmacy Trainer program? I

was going to take a course at the community college but then I found

this program online and with my experience I think I can study on my

own at home.

Thanks to all.

Bridget Burton

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Message: 2

Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:28 -0000

From: " nutterbutter818 "

Subject: Re: Hello

Hi Bridget-

If your community college program includes an internship, that might

be the better way to go. Getting a little hands-on experience goes

a long way! I am sure you could do the at-home program but I don't

think it will be as respected as an on-campus program. Good luck to

you!

Annette, Austin, TX

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