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In a message dated 08/25/1999 5:09:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pkovacek@... writes:

<< She was confident and

adamant that her qualifications and experience were

stellar. Currently out of work due to medicare cut

backs. She had the following demands:

1- full time work

2- all local home health visits in the town (left

blank intentionally)

3- $75,000 salary >>

This is a joke right?? at the very very most this position is worth only 48K

with benefits. If that and with specialty experience in DME, W/C seating and

Pediatrics

Steve Marcum PT

Director of Rehabilitation Services

Pattie A. Clay Rehabilitation Center

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Dear ,

Obviously the PT in question has absolutely no clue as to the severity of the

cutbacks that have been occurring in the marketplace! The days of therapists

being able to make such demands are over (at least for the time being), and

we all need to thank our lucky stars if we are fortunate enough to even still

have a job! I am sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but after finding myself

in a similar situation (laid off due to reimbursement changes) I cannot even

fathom making such demands on any employer at this point in time!!!

Just my .02,

Sue Chapin, OTR

jobless in MI

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A local home health company that does a fairly light

volume in a rural area was phoned by a Physical

Therapist looking for work. She was confident and

adamant that her qualifications and experience were

stellar. Currently out of work due to medicare cut

backs. She had the following demands:

1- full time work

2- all local home health visits in the town (left

blank intentionally)

3- $75,000 salary

Despite these facts which were stated to this woman:

1- the company only has PRN PT employees, the busiest

of which does not merit a full time position

2- there are never enough local visits to justify a

full time slot, as the town itself has only about

4,000 people living in it (the company covers two

counties, and is centrally located between the two.

The area is about fifty miles from the northern to

southern most points.)

3- the company does not feel that it could afford a

salary that high even if they decided to offer a full

time PT slot, and if they did, they would 'promote'

their busiest PRN PT to that slot.

Just wondering where certain PT's feel that they can

fit in, at a salary demand that high, in an

increasingly competitive marketplace.

R. Kovacek, MSA, PT

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Responding to Sue Chapin, OTR

I too have been recently laid-off, but am very fortunate to have had another

part-time job.

Did you used to work in sdale, AZ. at one point in your career? Think I

know you.

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Not to offend anyone but, I think a frined put it very well about 18 months ago

when we began to feel the pressure from BBA '97 " ... the time of the prima dona

therapist is over ... " It is interesting that some saw the writing a couple of

years ago and some did not. Another reason to belong to your professional

organization.....

Trumbull, PT

Manager of Rehabilitation Services

Doctors Hospital

Springfield, Illinois 62704

ptrumbull@...

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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 10:28 AM

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Subject: Anon posting - Feedback from list wanted

A list member who wanted to remain anon - asked me to post this for your

comments.

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A local home health company that does a fairly light

volume in a rural area was phoned by a Physical

Therapist looking for work. She was confident and

adamant that her qualifications and experience were

stellar. Currently out of work due to medicare cut

backs. She had the following demands:

1- full time work

2- all local home health visits in the town (left

blank intentionally)

3- $75,000 salary

Despite these facts which were stated to this woman:

1- the company only has PRN PT employees, the busiest

of which does not merit a full time position

2- there are never enough local visits to justify a

full time slot, as the town itself has only about

4,000 people living in it (the company covers two

counties, and is centrally located between the two.

The area is about fifty miles from the northern to

southern most points.)

3- the company does not feel that it could afford a

salary that high even if they decided to offer a full

time PT slot, and if they did, they would 'promote'

their busiest PRN PT to that slot.

Just wondering where certain PT's feel that they can

fit in, at a salary demand that high, in an

increasingly competitive marketplace.

R. Kovacek, MSA, PT

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When I first read the message from I had the same reaction as everyone

else, essentially that this therapist is out to lunch. Current realities

preclude those demands and that salary.

However, maybe something that we should be asking ourselves is --> what are

we worth? I understand the market will drive the salaries to a certain

extent, but it may be helpful to understand what our services are worth and

what we can expect to receive for our work. Maybe the flood of applicants

to PT school would decrease if prospective PT's knew the " real " salary

picture. Sadly, I think some still have the same expectation of the PT that

mentioned.

I realize answering the question of " what are we worth " may be impossible,

and it may be that the market will be the sole determinant of our salaries.

However, if that is the case, then I assume we can anticipate our levels of

reimbursement going down even further. When do we stand up and say " STOP! " ?

The bigger question is, HOW do we do that? Even the docs haven't figured it

out yet, even with all the talk of forming a union.

This is something I've been thinking about but for which I don't have any

answers.

Mark Dwyer, MHA, PT

mdwyer1@...

Anon posting - Feedback from list wanted

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>A list member who wanted to remain anon - asked me to post this for your

>comments.

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>A local home health company that does a fairly light

>volume in a rural area was phoned by a Physical

>Therapist looking for work. She was confident and

>adamant that her qualifications and experience were

>stellar. Currently out of work due to medicare cut

>backs. She had the following demands:

>

>1- full time work

>2- all local home health visits in the town (left

>blank intentionally)

>3- $75,000 salary

>

>Despite these facts which were stated to this woman:

>

>1- the company only has PRN PT employees, the busiest

>of which does not merit a full time position

>2- there are never enough local visits to justify a

>full time slot, as the town itself has only about

>4,000 people living in it (the company covers two

>counties, and is centrally located between the two.

>The area is about fifty miles from the northern to

>southern most points.)

>3- the company does not feel that it could afford a

>salary that high even if they decided to offer a full

>time PT slot, and if they did, they would 'promote'

>their busiest PRN PT to that slot.

>

>Just wondering where certain PT's feel that they can

>fit in, at a salary demand that high, in an

>increasingly competitive marketplace.

>

>

> R. Kovacek, MSA, PT

>Email Pkovacek@...

>313 884-8920

>Visit <www.PTManager.com>

>

>TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE !

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This person must have a secondary certification? [sorry I couldn't resist]

Thanks for the laugh !

Rintamaa, PT

Rehab Operations Coordinator

Lake Hospital System

Painesville, OH

Kovacek wrote:

> A list member who wanted to remain anon - asked me to post this for your

> comments.

>

> *****************

>

> A local home health company that does a fairly light

> volume in a rural area was phoned by a Physical

> Therapist looking for work. She was confident and

> adamant that her qualifications and experience were

> stellar. Currently out of work due to medicare cut

> backs. She had the following demands:

>

> 1- full time work

> 2- all local home health visits in the town (left

> blank intentionally)

> 3- $75,000 salary

>

> Despite these facts which were stated to this woman:

>

> 1- the company only has PRN PT employees, the busiest

> of which does not merit a full time position

> 2- there are never enough local visits to justify a

> full time slot, as the town itself has only about

> 4,000 people living in it (the company covers two

> counties, and is centrally located between the two.

> The area is about fifty miles from the northern to

> southern most points.)

> 3- the company does not feel that it could afford a

> salary that high even if they decided to offer a full

> time PT slot, and if they did, they would 'promote'

> their busiest PRN PT to that slot.

>

> Just wondering where certain PT's feel that they can

> fit in, at a salary demand that high, in an

> increasingly competitive marketplace.

>

> R. Kovacek, MSA, PT

> Email Pkovacek@...

> 313 884-8920

> Visit <www.PTManager.com>

>

> TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE !

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[Guest guest]

This was not fabricated - Unfortunately, from what I understand - this

really did happen. On behalf of the Anon poster - thanks to everyone who

responded.

At 11:54 AM 8/26/99 , you wrote:

>This person must have a secondary certification? [sorry I couldn't resist]

>Thanks for the laugh !

>

> Rintamaa, PT

>Rehab Operations Coordinator

>Lake Hospital System

>Painesville, OH

>

> Kovacek wrote:

>

> > A list member who wanted to remain anon - asked me to post this for your

> > comments.

> >

> > *****************

> >

> > A local home health company that does a fairly light

> > volume in a rural area was phoned by a Physical

> > Therapist looking for work. She was confident and

> > adamant that her qualifications and experience were

> > stellar. Currently out of work due to medicare cut

> > backs. She had the following demands:

> >

> > 1- full time work

> > 2- all local home health visits in the town (left

> > blank intentionally)

> > 3- $75,000 salary

> >

> > Despite these facts which were stated to this woman:

> >

> > 1- the company only has PRN PT employees, the busiest

> > of which does not merit a full time position

> > 2- there are never enough local visits to justify a

> > full time slot, as the town itself has only about

> > 4,000 people living in it (the company covers two

> > counties, and is centrally located between the two.

> > The area is about fifty miles from the northern to

> > southern most points.)

> > 3- the company does not feel that it could afford a

> > salary that high even if they decided to offer a full

> > time PT slot, and if they did, they would 'promote'

> > their busiest PRN PT to that slot.

> >

> > Just wondering where certain PT's feel that they can

> > fit in, at a salary demand that high, in an

> > increasingly competitive marketplace.

> >

> > R. Kovacek, MSA, PT

> > Email Pkovacek@...

> > 313 884-8920

> > Visit <www.PTManager.com>

> >

> > TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE !

> >

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