Re: Lena: OT: appreciate any prayers

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Hi ,This is only my layman's perception and opinion: abx ultimately makes a bigger mess to clean up.It delays true healing, by driving the critters into hiding (fron 6 to twenty yrs, I've been told.)To me, hitting chronic lyme with abx is like running up a big balance on your credit card. The perceived wealth of healing is pleasant, but eventually the card maxes out and the accumulated interest will have to be dealt with.You're probably killing the right amount, if you're moderately herxing and you're carefully detoxing to help your organs safely do their jobs. The whole mainstream medicine attitude of the quick fix (ie. abx,) is a costly mistake for Lyme. Slow and steady wins this race. Check out S & C if you want to feel like you're killing more after this moon, but really, there's just so much dead stuff you can cram down the garbage disposal at one time, before the pipes clog up, and then you're only delaying recovery, not accelerating it.I usually up the killing when the moon starts to wane. (Gardeners say weeding is best at the waning moon, too.) And I ALSO UP MY DETOX, as the kill load will be bigger after the lunar pop. explosion. That's the way I maintain a fairly steady rate of recovery. (I no longer have roller-coaster rides, generally)Patience, and be well,LénaLena, That explains alot! This is the 2nd full moon (the first was last Fall) that's had a huge effect on my Lyme symptoms (in 6 yrs), is that because I've stopped taking abx's, and switched to herbs? Am I not killing them off enough? From:Guyot Léna To:Lyme_and_Rife Date:02/17/2011 04:39 PMSubject:Re: OT: appreciate any prayersSent by:Lyme_and_Rife Hi All, Yes the full moon is almost here: bad enough, but there are also some record solar flares going on right now. (anyone with a clear sky far enough north might be treated to great aurora borealis tonight) I can't help thinking that that's one reason why I feel so looney-tunes today.(that and i missed my CE this a.m.Be well, Léna Debbie, I'm feeling the same way today, it started 2 days ago, don't know if it has something to do w/the full moon tomorrow, but I feel like a mack truck hit me! Hang in there, this will pass like it always does, I feel your pain! From:"debbie4god" To:Lyme_and_Rife Date:02/17/2011 02:20 PMSubject: appreciate any prayersSent by:Lyme_and_Rife hi friends,am having a terribbl day with neew symtpoms where feeel like mmy head is underwater and evrythiing got worse...appreicate any prayers if yu havve tiime....thnks!debbieAny U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions.________________________________________________________________________The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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I've been wondering the same thing. I've had really bad " flares " both last fall and this spring, since stopping antibiotics. Lots of us seemed to have these around the same time: September, and now February.

My interpretation is that when you're not on antibiotics, then the bacteria follow their yearly cycles, perhaps rising in number at times when they'd naturally jump from one host to another to increase the probability of transfer.

Maybe jimjax will have something to say about this. I have the impression that these cycles are sort of a good thing--you get a chance to get at a bunch of cysts because they turn back into spirochetes and are more susceptible to being killed.

-

 

Lena,

That explains alot!

This is the 2nd full moon (the first

was last Fall) that's had a huge effect on my Lyme symptoms (in 6 yrs),

is that because I've stopped taking abx's, and switched to herbs?  Am

I not killing them off enough?

From:

Guyot Léna

To:

Lyme_and_Rife

Date:

02/17/2011 04:39 PM

Subject:

Re: OT: appreciate any

prayers

Sent by:

Lyme_and_Rife

 

Hi All,

Yes the full moon is almost here: bad enough,

but there are also some record solar flares going on right now. (anyone

with a clear sky far enough north might be treated to great aurora borealis

tonight) I can't help thinking that that's one reason why I feel so looney-tunes

today.(that and i missed my CE this a.m.

Be well,

Léna

On Feb 17, 2011, at 3:41 PM, alicia.colon@...

wrote:

Debbie,

I'm feeling the same way today, it started 2 days ago, don't know if it

has something to do w/the full moon tomorrow, but I feel like a mack truck

hit me!

Hang in there, this will pass like it always does, I feel your pain!

From:

" debbie4god "

To:

Lyme_and_Rife

Date:

02/17/2011 02:20 PM

Subject:

appreciate

any prayers

Sent by:

Lyme_and_Rife

hi friends,

am having a terribbl day with neew symtpoms where feeel like mmy head is

underwater and evrythiing got worse...appreicate any prayers if yu havve

tiime....thnks!

debbie

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Hi Lena,

It might very well be true, but how do we know this about abx?

Tom

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: Lena: OT: appreciate any prayers

Hi , This is only my layman's perception and opinion: abx ultimately makes a bigger mess to clean up.

It delays true healing, by driving the critters into hiding (fron 6 to twenty yrs, I've been told.)To me, hitting chronic lyme with abx is like running up a big balance on your credit card. The perceived wealth of healing is pleasant, but eventually the card maxes out and the accumulated interest will have to be dealt with.

You're probably killing the right amount, if you're moderately herxing and you're carefully detoxing to help your organs safely do their jobs. The whole mainstream medicine attitude of the quick fix (ie. abx,) is a costly mistake for Lyme. Slow and steady wins this race.

Check out S & C if you want to feel like you're killing more after this moon, but really, there's just so much dead stuff you can cram down the garbage disposal at one time, before the pipes clog up, and then you're only delaying recovery, not accelerating it.

I usually up the killing when the moon starts to wane. (Gardeners say weeding is best at the waning moon, too.) And I ALSO UP MY DETOX, as the kill load will be bigger after the lunar pop. explosion. That's the way I maintain a fairly steady rate of recovery. (I no longer have roller-coaster rides, generally)

Patience, and be well,

Léna

Lena, That explains alot! This is the 2nd full moon (the first was last Fall) that's had a huge effect on my Lyme symptoms (in 6 yrs), is that because I've stopped taking abx's, and switched to herbs? Am I not killing them off enough?

From:

Guyot Léna

To:

Lyme_and_Rife

Date:

02/17/2011 04:39 PM

Subject:

Re: OT: appreciate any prayers

Sent by:

Lyme_and_Rife

Hi All, Yes the full moon is almost here: bad enough, but there are also some record solar flares going on right now. (anyone with a clear sky far enough north might be treated to great aurora borealis tonight) I can't help thinking that that's one reason why I feel so looney-tunes today.(that and i missed my CE this a.m.

Be well, Léna

Debbie, I'm feeling the same way today, it started 2 days ago, don't know if it has something to do w/the full moon tomorrow, but I feel like a mack truck hit me! Hang in there, this will pass like it always does, I feel your pain!

From:

"debbie4god"

To:

Lyme_and_Rife

Date:

02/17/2011 02:20 PM

Subject:

appreciate any prayers

Sent by:

Lyme_and_Rife

hi friends,am having a terribbl day with neew symtpoms where feeel like mmy head is underwater and evrythiing got worse...appreicate any prayers if yu havve tiime....thnks!debbie

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I think you're right, .LénaI've been wondering the same thing. I've had really bad "flares" both last fall and this spring, since stopping antibiotics. Lots of us seemed to have these around the same time: September, and now February.My interpretation is that when you're not on antibiotics, then the bacteria follow their yearly cycles, perhaps rising in number at times when they'd naturally jump from one host to another to increase the probability of transfer. Maybe jimjax will have something to say about this. I have the impression that these cycles are sort of a good thing--you get a chance to get at a bunch of cysts because they turn back into spirochetes and are more susceptible to being killed.- Lena, That explains alot! This is the 2nd full moon (the first was last Fall) that's had a huge effect on my Lyme symptoms (in 6 yrs), is that because I've stopped taking abx's, and switched to herbs? Am I not killing them off enough? From:Guyot Léna To:Lyme_and_Rife Date:02/17/2011 04:39 PMSubject:Re: OT: appreciate any prayersSent by:Lyme_and_Rife Hi All, Yes the full moon is almost here: bad enough, but there are also some record solar flares going on right now. (anyone with a clear sky far enough north might be treated to great aurora borealis tonight) I can't help thinking that that's one reason why I feel so looney-tunes today.(that and i missed my CE this a.m.Be well, Léna Debbie, I'm feeling the same way today, it started 2 days ago, don't know if it has something to do w/the full moon tomorrow, but I feel like a mack truck hit me! Hang in there, this will pass like it always does, I feel your pain! From:"debbie4god" To:Lyme_and_Rife Date:02/17/2011 02:20 PMSubject: appreciate any prayersSent by:Lyme_and_Rife hi friends,am having a terribbl day with neew symtpoms where feeel like mmy head is underwater and evrythiing got worse...appreicate any prayers if yu havve tiime....thnks!debbieAny U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions.________________________________________________________________________The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Notice required by law: This e-mail may constitute an advertisement or solicitation under U.S. law, if its primary purpose is to advertise or promote a commercial product or service. You may choose not to receive advertising and promotional messages from Ernst & Young LLP (except for Ernst & Young Online and the ey.com website, which track e-mail preferences through a separate process) at this e-mail address by forwarding this message to no-more-mail@.... If you do so, the sender of this message will be notified promptly. Our principal postal address is 5 Times Square, New York, NY 10036. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLPAny U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions.________________________________________________________________________The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Notice required by law: This e-mail may constitute an advertisement or solicitation under U.S. law, if its primary purpose is to advertise or promote a commercial product or service. You may choose not to receive advertising and promotional messages from Ernst & Young LLP (except for Ernst & Young Online and the ey.com website, which track e-mail preferences through a separate process) at this e-mail address by forwarding this message to no-more-mail@.... If you do so, the sender of this message will be notified promptly. Our principal postal address is 5 Times Square, New York, NY 10036. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP

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Hi Tom,"This is only my layman's perception and opinion: "What I've read in Rosner's book certainly confirmed what I'd experienced years ago when diagnosed with mycoplasma pneumonia, which i now know was an early manifestation of my Lyme. I was treated with abx and what happened after that wasn't pretty, and was utterly mystifying to docs.Four years of reading posts in several Lyme groups, albeit anecdotal, are more convincing to me personally, than much information that comes out of big pharma. But, "This is only my layman's perception and opinion:" Be well,LénaHi Lena,It might very well be true, but how do we know this about abx? TomTo: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 4:43:21 PMSubject: Re: Lena: OT: appreciate any prayers Hi ,This is only my layman's perception and opinion: abx ultimately makes a bigger mess to clean up.It delays true healing, by driving the critters into hiding (fron 6 to twenty yrs, I've been told.)To me, hitting chronic lyme with abx is like running up a big balance on your credit card. The perceived wealth of healing is pleasant, but eventually the card maxes out and the accumulated interest will have to be dealt with.You're probably killing the right amount, if you're moderately herxing and you're carefully detoxing to help your organs safely do their jobs. The whole mainstream medicine attitude of the quick fix (ie. abx,) is a costly mistake for Lyme. Slow and steady wins this race. Check out S & C if you want to feel like you're killing more after this moon, but really, there's just so much dead stuff you can cram down the garbage disposal at one time, before the pipes clog up, and then you're only delaying recovery, not accelerating it.I usually up the killing when the moon starts to wane. (Gardeners say weeding is best at the waning moon, too.) And I ALSO UP MY DETOX, as the kill load will be bigger after the lunar pop. explosion. That's the way I maintain a fairly steady rate of recovery. (I no longer have roller-coaster rides, generally)Patience, and be well,LénaLena, That explains alot! This is the 2nd full moon (the first was last Fall) that's had a huge effect on my Lyme symptoms (in 6 yrs), is that because I've stopped taking abx's, and switched to herbs? Am I not killing them off enough? From:Guyot Léna To:Lyme_and_Rife Date:02/17/2011 04:39 PMSubject:Re: OT: appreciate any prayersSent by:Lyme_and_Rife Hi All, Yes the full moon is almost here: bad enough, but there are also some record solar flares going on right now. (anyone with a clear sky far enough north might be treated to great aurora borealis tonight) I can't help thinking that that's one reason why I feel so looney-tunes today.(that and i missed my CE this a.m.Be well, Léna Debbie, I'm feeling the same way today, it started 2 days ago, don't know if it has something to do w/the full moon tomorrow, but I feel like a mack truck hit me! Hang in there, this will pass like it always does, I feel your pain! From:"debbie4god" To:Lyme_and_Rife Date:02/17/2011 02:20 PMSubject: appreciate any prayersSent by:Lyme_and_Rife hi friends,am having a terribbl day with neew symtpoms where feeel like mmy head is underwater and evrythiing got worse...appreicate any prayers if yu havve tiime....thnks!debbieAny U.S. tax advice contained in the body of this e-mail was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by the recipient for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions.________________________________________________________________________The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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[Guest guest]

Hi Tom,

According to Rosner book " Lime Disease and Rife Machines "

rife machines do not create cystic stage.

Bozena

>

>

> Debbie,

>

> I'm feeling the same way today, it started 2 days ago, don't know if

> it has something to do w/the full moon tomorrow, but I feel like a

> mack truck hit me!

>

> Hang in there, this will pass like it always does, I feel your pain!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Date: 02/17/2011 02:20 PM

> Subject: appreciate any prayers

> Sent by: Lyme_and_Rife

>

>

>

>

>

> hi friends,

>

> am having a terribbl day with neew symtpoms where feeel like mmy head

> is underwater and evrythiing got worse...appreicate any prayers if yu

> havve tiime....thnks!

>

> debbie

>

>

>

>

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