Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is impacted?!

May 7, 2011

marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst

cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions

that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

May 7, 2011

Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented???Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files sectionTo: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worstcases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questionsthat I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

May 7, 2011

Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago)

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented??? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Sender: miralax

Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)

To: <miralax >

ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst

cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions

that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

May 7, 2011

Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor?

Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago)

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented??? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)

To: <miralax >

ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst

cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions

that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 7, 2011

My son didn't like the Calm either. We ended up mixing it with PlumSmart and it went down a lot easier. Hope this helps. Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor? Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago) To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented???Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files sectionTo: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, mariemarie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 7, 2011

Never heard of Plumsmart but thank you for suggesting it. I will look into it. I make him green smoothie popsicles (basically just a powdered form of raw green veggies and sprouts) mixed with pineapples, tropical flavor of Emergen-C and a little bit of banana... and then I freeze this into popsicles. I think I might be able to add the CALM into that mixture. I may also omit the little bit of banana that I usually use.

May 7, 2011

That sounds yummy! You can buy PlumSmart in the juice aisle. It's not organic but it's commercially natural, it's as good as you'll get, I suppose, at Walmart or wherever.Never heard of Plumsmart but thank you for suggesting it. I will look into it. I make him green smoothie popsicles (basically just a powdered form of raw green veggies and sprouts) mixed with pineapples, tropical flavor of Emergen-C and a little bit of banana... and then I freeze this into popsicles. I think I might be able to add the CALM into that mixture. I may also omit the little bit of banana that I usually use.

May 7, 2011

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of

the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who

has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has

never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no

animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green

smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or

carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2

different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his

ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd

one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional

constipation. They actually used the term " impacted " and one said it was one of

the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge

tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping

and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so

confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his

intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a " clean slate " , to see how his

intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT

comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him

into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering

concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to

evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune

juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that

it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but

still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many " natural " products that " soften " stools or

increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural

product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he

has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not

full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction.

I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was

impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have

powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would

consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use

small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also

moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as

possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way

you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew

and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few

swallows of food. Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more

issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg

can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid

those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his

school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of

vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues

that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be

the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the

backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help

with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria

and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down

or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us.

Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis. Some well use the olive

oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for

your childs healing. Jennie<><

May 7, 2011

Thanks so much for all of the info Jennie!His regular BMs are 1-2x a day. FULL BMs ususally, not hard and not diareah. Just very full, which is why I was so surprised to see that he was so impacted, with as much that comes out of his little body?? What do you mean by sensories?For over a year, he has gotten 1000mg of vitamin C almost daily, via Emergen-C. This doesn't include what was in his multi vitamin, as well as his food. Again- so confusing to me??http://www.amazon.com/Emergen-C-Vitamin-Tropical-0-3-Ounce-Packets/dp/B000IXOE6UHow did you administer the olive leaf extract and what brand do you recommend? I will research it.Is there a way to test for any particular viruses or bad bacterias as nothing came up on his stool or CBC but he did have yeast in his stool. Both docs said that was no unusual to have some yeast. True??We do no vaccinate. He had only 1 vax when he was 6 weeks old and we stopped them, cold turkey, after his little leg swelled up into a huge knot, the size of a golfball.

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food. Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis. Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 7, 2011

Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dont agree with

them that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is the

vitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<><

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.

Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.

Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 7, 2011

Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this is what I give to my sonBarleans

Omega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make my

own cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sÃ¡b, 5/7/11, Jennie escribiÃ³:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:

miralax Fecha: sÃ¡bado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm

Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dont

agree with

them that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is the

vitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<><

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.

Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.

Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 7, 2011

Aline,How do you give him the Barleans? What do you mix it in? Where do you buy the Bio-K?Does the doctor believe that eventually he will be able to wean from some of it? Will he willingly take everything or is it a struggle?marie

Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this is what I give to my sonBarleans

Omega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make my

own cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sáb, 5/7/11, Jennie escribió:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:

miralax Fecha: sábado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm

Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dont

agree with

them that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is the

vitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<><

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.

Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.

Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

because ours is lemon, my dd will only drink it in a lemon drink, lemon-lime gatorade or her favorite is lemonade

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 4:02:43 PMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

My son didn't like the Calm either. We ended up mixing it with PlumSmart and it went down a lot easier. Hope this helps.

Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor?

Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago)

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO

confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented???

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Sender: miralax

Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)

To: <miralax >

ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO

confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term

"impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some

homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

marie Showalter

gshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

marie,He loves the Omega Swirl, it come in flavors, I give him the strawberry one. I give him one tbsp to to tbsps a day, you could mix it in a smoothie, or apple sauce. Before Miralax he used to take Millk of Magnesia, and before that mineral oil which I took him off right away. Both the bio-k and the barleans omega swirl I get at Whole Foods, Bio-k is like a little yogurt kind of thing but its not really yogurt. It is definetly not cheap, but compared to others this one actually works, I have been taking it myself ( I am not constipated) and I have noticed a huge difference. The thing is that in my case, I don't know about others, my son was always sick, he had a weak immune system, and it all came down with the poop, because their bodies are full of lets say toxins that they are not

eliminating. Now since he goes every other day and also with this probiotic he rarely catches a cold or anything else, believe me we lived at the doctor's office. The psychologist cost me quite a bit of money, but it was worth it. Like everything, if you are consistent with something it will work, for example I never ever give him bananas, or cheese, or white rice, obviously no white bread, things that I know that will make him get stuck again.BTW, when I started this program, the doctor (GI) was calling me asking for the psychologist number, this worked for my child. And there are some days that my son will just say to me "I will never poop again", for so many years before this he had been in pain when going that he remembers, so he still has that anxiety and he still tries to hold it, its very frustrating, but obviously he ends up going. The huge change to us also was the milk, that was incredible.

Good luck!--- El dom, 5/8/11, marie Showalter escribiÃ³:De: marie Showalter Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 01:57 am

Aline,How do you give him the Barleans? What do you mix it in? Where do you buy the Bio-K?Does the doctor believe that eventually he will be able to wean from some of it? Will he willingly take everything or is it a struggle?marie

Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this is

what I give to my sonBarleans

Omega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make my

own cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sÃ¡b, 5/7/11, Jennie escribiÃ³:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:

miralax Fecha: sÃ¡bado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm

Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dont

agree with

them that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is the

vitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<><

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.

Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.

Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

See below. That is what he is on now. The CALM one. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 03:39:43 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I believe the cherry has PEG in it CAREFUL.................Have you ever tried Natural Calm, or in your case, kid calm? To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 3:24:41 PMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor? Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago) To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented??? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Sender: miralax Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files sectionTo: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worstcases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questionsthat I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, mariemarie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

What has PEG in it?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 03:39:43 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I believe the cherry has PEG in it CAREFUL.................Have you ever tried Natural Calm, or in your case, kid calm? To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 3:24:41 PMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor? Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago) To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented??? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Sender: miralax Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files sectionTo: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worstcases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questionsthat I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, mariemarie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

What milk? Milk of magnesia? My loves bananas. Even if they ate completely pureed, it is bad for them? I will try the swirl! Does it have to be on empty stomach?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie,He loves the Omega Swirl, it come in flavors, I give him the strawberry one. I give him one tbsp to to tbsps a day, you could mix it in a smoothie, or apple sauce. Before Miralax he used to take Millk of Magnesia, and before that mineral oil which I took him off right away. Both the bio-k and the barleans omega swirl I get at Whole Foods, Bio-k is like a little yogurt kind of thing but its not really yogurt. It is definetly not cheap, but compared to others this one actually works, I have been taking it myself ( I am not constipated) and I have noticed a huge difference. The thing is that in my case, I don't know about others, my son was always sick, he had a weak immune system, and it all came down with the poop, because their bodies are full of lets say toxins that they are noteliminating. Now since he goes every other day and also with this probiotic he rarely catches a cold or anything else, believe me we lived at the doctor's office. The psychologist cost me quite a bit of money, but it was worth it. Like everything, if you are consistent with something it will work, for example I never ever give him bananas, or cheese, or white rice, obviously no white bread, things that I know that will make him get stuck again.BTW, when I started this program, the doctor (GI) was calling me asking for the psychologist number, this worked for my child. And there are some days that my son will just say to me "I will never poop again", for so many years before this he had been in pain when going that he remembers, so he still has that anxiety and he still tries to hold it, its very frustrating, but obviously he ends up going. The huge change to us also was the milk, that was incredible. Good luck!--- El dom, 5/8/11, marie Showalter escribiÃ³:De: marie Showalter Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 01:57 am Aline,How do you give him the Barleans? What do you mix it in? Where do you buy the Bio-K?Does the doctor believe that eventually he will be able to wean from some of it? Will he willingly take everything or is it a struggle?marie Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this iswhat I give to my sonBarleansOmega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make myown cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sÃ¡b, 5/7/11, Jennie escribiÃ³:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:miralax Fecha: sÃ¡bado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dontagree withthem that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is thevitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<>< >> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:> > He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. > > However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).> > He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. > > Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((> > Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.> > Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:> > 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.> > 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, marie>Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><marie Showaltergshowalter@...marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

No, almond milk, I never do bananas, don't give any constipating foods. The swirl does not have to be on an empty stomach.--- El dom, 5/8/11, gshowalter@... escribiÃ³:De: gshowalter@... Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 09:25 am

What milk? Milk of magnesia? My loves bananas. Even if they ate completely pureed, it is bad for them? I will try the swirl! Does it have to be on empty stomach?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Sender: miralax

Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

marie,He loves the Omega Swirl, it come in flavors, I give him the strawberry one. I give him one tbsp to to tbsps a day, you could mix it in a smoothie, or apple sauce. Before Miralax he used to take Millk of Magnesia, and before that mineral oil which I took him off right away. Both the bio-k and the barleans omega swirl I get at Whole Foods, Bio-k is like a little yogurt kind of thing but its not really yogurt. It is definetly not cheap, but compared to others this one actually works, I have been taking it myself ( I am not constipated) and I have noticed a huge difference. The thing is that in my case, I don't know about others, my son was always sick, he had a weak immune system, and it all came down with the poop, because their bodies are full of lets say toxins that they are

not

eliminating. Now since he goes every other day and also with this probiotic he rarely catches a cold or anything else, believe me we lived at the doctor's office. The psychologist cost me quite a bit of money, but it was worth it. Like everything, if you are consistent with something it will work, for example I never ever give him bananas, or cheese, or white rice, obviously no white bread, things that I know that will make him get stuck again.BTW, when I started this program, the doctor (GI) was calling me asking for the psychologist number, this worked for my child. And there are some days that my son will just say to me "I will never poop again", for so many years before this he had been in pain when going that he remembers, so he still has that anxiety and he still tries to hold it, its very frustrating, but obviously he ends up going. The huge change to us also was the milk, that was incredible.

Good luck!--- El dom, 5/8/11, marie Showalter escribiÃ³:De: marie Showalter Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 01:57 am

Aline,How do you give him the Barleans? What do you mix it in? Where do you buy the Bio-K?Does the doctor believe that eventually he will be able to wean from some of it? Will he willingly take everything or is it a struggle?marie

Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this is

what I give to my sonBarleans

Omega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make my

own cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sÃ¡b, 5/7/11, Jennie escribiÃ³:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:

miralax Fecha: sÃ¡bado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm

Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dont

agree with

them that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is the

vitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<><

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.

Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.

Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

Ahhhhhh. Gotcha. He only drinks almond milk and water anyway so at least we are doing that right. Haha. We don't eat any animal products so other than bananas, are there any other fruits/veggies/nuts grains/beans that cause constipation, that we should avoid?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! No, almond milk, I never do bananas, don't give any constipating foods. The swirl does not have to be on an empty stomach.--- El dom, 5/8/11, gshowalter@... escribiÃ³:De: gshowalter@... Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 09:25 am What milk? Milk of magnesia? My loves bananas. Even if they ate completely pureed, it is bad for them? I will try the swirl! Does it have to be on empty stomach?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie,He loves the Omega Swirl, it come in flavors, I give him the strawberry one. I give him one tbsp to to tbsps a day, you could mix it in a smoothie, or apple sauce. Before Miralax he used to take Millk of Magnesia, and before that mineral oil which I took him off right away. Both the bio-k and the barleans omega swirl I get at Whole Foods, Bio-k is like a little yogurt kind of thing but its not really yogurt. It is definetly not cheap, but compared to others this one actually works, I have been taking it myself ( I am not constipated) and I have noticed a huge difference. The thing is that in my case, I don't know about others, my son was always sick, he had a weak immune system, and it all came down with the poop, because their bodies are full of lets say toxins that they arenoteliminating. Now since he goes every other day and also with this probiotic he rarely catches a cold or anything else, believe me we lived at the doctor's office. The psychologist cost me quite a bit of money, but it was worth it. Like everything, if you are consistent with something it will work, for example I never ever give him bananas, or cheese, or white rice, obviously no white bread, things that I know that will make him get stuck again.BTW, when I started this program, the doctor (GI) was calling me asking for the psychologist number, this worked for my child. And there are some days that my son will just say to me "I will never poop again", for so many years before this he had been in pain when going that he remembers, so he still has that anxiety and he still tries to hold it, its very frustrating, but obviously he ends up going. The huge change to us also was the milk, that was incredible. Good luck!--- El dom, 5/8/11, marie Showalter escribiÃ³:De: marie Showalter Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 01:57 am Aline,How do you give him the Barleans? What do you mix it in? Where do you buy the Bio-K?Does the doctor believe that eventually he will be able to wean from some of it? Will he willingly take everything or is it a struggle?marie Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this iswhat I give to my sonBarleansOmega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make myown cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sÃ¡b, 5/7/11, Jennie escribiÃ³:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:miralax Fecha: sÃ¡bado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dontagree withthem that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is thevitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<>< >> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:> > He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. > > However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).> > He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. > > Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((> > Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.> > Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:> > 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.> > 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, marie>Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><marie Showaltergshowalter@...marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

I also give him juices, just try to make them at home, I am from Argentina, so in most Latin/American countries everybody tries to go more natural, my mother freaks out each time she comes, she's had six children (I only have one) and she says to me, I have never even given them a cough syrup in my life. So yes, I try to avoid some things, and we are not used to processed foods. Try doing this pineapple water that I mentioned, it is a peruvian thing, and I have also reasearched it, and it tastes really like pineapple, just make sure to wash the outside of the pineapple really well. I would stay away from bananas, even in a smoothie, think about the foods that a dr might suggest when somebody gets diahrrea, they will give you white rice, bananas, to harden it up. Beets are a great source of fiber, sweet potatoes, asparagus, beans you

can give them all, but apparently refried beans are the ones that have most fiber. Get some fiber gummies (2grs of fiber each). I don't give him a lot of grapes, and if I do, I try to peel them (bit freaky), but I notice that he doesn't digest them well. Unfortunately I just moved and half of my things are in boxes, but I want to scan this chart that his psychologist gave me about how the poop has to be, its quite funny. Also, I think it would be a good idea to get this test done, its just blood work, I don't have the name of the test with me but I did it on myself. Its a test that shows what foods you are intolerant to, not allergic, but intolerant, I'm waiting for my results, but I'm planning to get one done for my little one. Also going as much as I can on gluten free has helped a lot. I'm a former director of catering so I know foods. I try to do as much as I can myself, and I have also

started in my new home a small organic garden where I can grow my own stuff, I know its a pain in the butt for some, but it will help in the long run. Do what I do, even though you're not constipated, I try to take everything that I give to my son, and I see the change in me, even though I'm not constipated either. When I finish emptying my boxes I will post more things from my research (about food)By the way, do you give him quinoa? How about Chia? Those things are great, I'm trying to give you ideas as you don't consume any animal related products. I will think more about it and let you know.Aline--- El dom, 5/8/11, gshowalter@... escribiÃ³:De: gshowalter@... Asunto: Re: Re:

SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 01:57 pm

Ahhhhhh. Gotcha. He only drinks almond milk and water anyway so at least we are doing that right. Haha. We don't eat any animal products so other than bananas, are there any other fruits/veggies/nuts grains/beans that cause constipation, that we should avoid?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Sender: miralax

Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

No, almond milk, I never do bananas, don't give any constipating foods. The swirl does not have to be on an empty stomach.--- El dom, 5/8/11, gshowalter@... escribiÃ³:De: gshowalter@... Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 09:25 am

What milk? Milk of magnesia? My loves bananas. Even if they ate completely pureed, it is bad for them? I will try the swirl! Does it have to be on empty stomach?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 06:01:30 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

marie,He loves the Omega Swirl, it come in flavors, I give him the strawberry one. I give him one tbsp to to tbsps a day, you could mix it in a smoothie, or apple sauce. Before Miralax he used to take Millk of Magnesia, and before that mineral oil which I took him off right away. Both the bio-k and the barleans omega swirl I get at Whole Foods, Bio-k is like a little yogurt kind of thing but its not really yogurt. It is definetly not cheap, but compared to others this one actually works, I have been taking it myself ( I am not constipated) and I have noticed a huge difference. The thing is that in my case, I don't know about others, my son was always sick, he had a weak immune system, and it all came down with the poop, because their bodies are full of lets say toxins that they are

not

eliminating. Now since he goes every other day and also with this probiotic he rarely catches a cold or anything else, believe me we lived at the doctor's office. The psychologist cost me quite a bit of money, but it was worth it. Like everything, if you are consistent with something it will work, for example I never ever give him bananas, or cheese, or white rice, obviously no white bread, things that I know that will make him get stuck again.BTW, when I started this program, the doctor (GI) was calling me asking for the psychologist number, this worked for my child. And there are some days that my son will just say to me "I will never poop again", for so many years before this he had been in pain when going that he remembers, so he still has that anxiety and he still tries to hold it, its very frustrating, but obviously he ends up going. The huge change to us also was the milk, that was incredible.

Good luck!--- El dom, 5/8/11, marie Showalter escribiÃ³:De: marie Showalter Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A: miralax Fecha: domingo, 8 de mayo de 2011, 01:57 am

Aline,How do you give him the Barleans? What do you mix it in? Where do you buy the Bio-K?Does the doctor believe that eventually he will be able to wean from some of it? Will he willingly take everything or is it a struggle?marie

Hi, I'm also new to the group. My son, who now is 5 years old has been constipated since he is 4 months. We have done a lot. He has been on Miralax for the past year (on and off because I hated giving it to him), and exactly one year ago he was in the hospital and he was cleansed with the feeding tube and the golytely. He has had a lot of tests done including a colonoscopy and everything was fine and normal. I do know that he holds it, I decided to take him to a child's psychologist.I forgot to mention that he has sensory processing disorder and we do other therapies for that. Well, I got to see this amazing psychologist, she was the director of pediatric psychology at a Hospital in Boston and specializes in Gastro. She changed a lot of things and they did work, this is

what I give to my sonBarleans

Omega Swirl (flaxseed oil)Bio-K (probiotic)Organic apple sauce mixed with two tablespoons of flax seed mealShe suggested a gluten free diet which I try to follow as much as I canFiber gummiesOmega 3 capletsMy son is a very picky eater, especially due to his sensory, so this is what I do for foods & beverage...I make a like a puree of sweet potatoes, spinach, lentils, garlic, making sure that the sweet potato is more so that it tastes nice to him, and he loves it.I try to stay away from sugar and I sweeten everything with agave nectarI make this beverage, you boil the skins of a pineapple in lets say 1 gallon of water and a bit of agave to sweeten, boil that for one hour, then you strain it, refrigerate that and anybody can drink it, it not only tastes amazing but it works for bms.I don't do any processed foods and I make my

own cereal bars for him.One thing that she definetly recommended me is switching the soy milk for almond milk. Soy produces estrogen and apparently it alters children's behavior, and the change was fantastic, and it tastes so much better. I avoid dairy products on my son. Another thing for those of you using benefiber or metamucil, please don't, they contain aspartame, which is poison for anybody. I'm trying to find this book that this psychologist gave me so that you can read whats good and not so good.Hope this helps, Aline--- El sÃ¡b, 5/7/11, Jennie escribiÃ³:De: Jennie Asunto: Re: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!A:

miralax Fecha: sÃ¡bado, 7 de mayo de 2011, 08:19 pm

Im wondering if his full intestines is more recent than they may think it is due to you mentioning full bm's. The intestines can hold several pounds of stool. Or maybe it appears as a lot and not enough actually moving out. Also stool should appear as a formed toothpaste. Anything firmer than that is constipation and causing backup. YEAST, but to show in tests tells me this may be to high. Yeast, can come from foods and antibiotics etc. Yeast/fungus is horrible on the constipation. Infact with even the use of one round of antibiotics you can kill the good needed bacteria to have a good running intestines and good immune. Bread products...wheat etc and sugars feed yeast/fungus. Being vegan does he eat mushrooms? Fungus/yeast is in the human body but to much of it can lead to intestinal issues and even other medical issues. Im sorry but I dont

agree with

them that it is ok it showed in his tests. Really consider the olive leaf oil. The olive leaf well kill the yeast and the oil well soften the stools. Many who go on the gf/cf diets and it is helping dont even realize it is the lack of fungus and yeast. The unsuccessful ones on the diet are still eating foods that feed the yeast like sugars etc. or using antibiotics or dont realize that the lack of the fungal foods doesnt mean that you cant ignore the over abundance of fungas/yeast that was there to begin with. You have to kill the problem 1st. Or if still no success it may be an intestinal mechanical issue that required surgical intervention. Maybe really consider an antifungul/antiyeast type diet or supplementing. The olive leaf is a good start. Those on olive leaf usually dont need the aid of antibiotics either, it is that good. Garlic included. Wow that is a good dosing of C, with our son at 5yrs to cleanout we had to use about 3000mgs. Is the

vitamins he takes have any sugars? your link wont work for me. The main thing if they say he is impacted is to get him cleanout. Food and more food well just keep piling up. Does he have a good appetite? At impaction worse, they start to fuss about eating and well even refuse. And as menitoned in early post, they well start gagging or vomiting, it is then going backwards and not good. As far as the olive leaf extract, it is capsules with powder form. If the child cant swallow we would open cap and mix in food. The oil you can ask them to just take by the spoon or also add to food. Jennie<><

>

> I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

>

> He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

>

> However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

>

> He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing.

>

> Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((

>

> Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.

>

> Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

>

> 1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

>

> 2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you, marie

>

Hi marie! I am curious what you mean by consistant bm's. It sounds like he has full colon and possibly being forced out by little bits regularly but not full movements Im guessing. The distended belly is a classic sign of impaction. I noticed mag citrate has been mentioned. My sons sensories was so high it was impossible with the liquid forms. We had better success with capsules that have powder form. We would mix it in with his puree's/pedia sure etc. Then he would consume. Beings no dairies for you, you could maybe try it in his smoothies. Use small amounts so he wont taste it. Not sure if he would eat, but garlic also moves the stools. You mentioned aloe, make sure it is as close to pure as possible. Another thing we learned was to only try one thing at a time. This way you know what works. Vitamin C also well loosen stools. My son unable to chew and using pureeds with C I would cut into little tiny pieces and add with a few swallows of food.

Please avoid the Miralax. We discovered it only causes more issues with the nerves cells in there and also discovered the hard way that peg can directly affect the heart. Golytely etc is the same thing, please avoid those also. My sons severe issues started at 5yrs. It was very quick after his school vacs. We went back in time and discovered that with each round of vaccines he would show more signs of constipation among other medical issues that was triggered. I dont know if you vaccinate or not, but this proved to be the situation with our son. Vaccines target the intestines. Intestines is the backbone of our immune system etc. Another thing that we found that would help with movements was olive leaf extract. We originally used to kill bad bacteria and virus's which if those are in the body/intestines well slow the tract down or even stop it in some cases. We even had a surgeon admit this to us. Virus's/bad bacteria well slow or stop the peristalsis.

Some well use the olive oil. One of the rare oils that is actually good and healing for us. I pray for your childs healing. Jennie<><

marie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

Magnesium Citrate, cherry flavor

To: miralax Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 8:12:21 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

What has PEG in it? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 03:39:43 -0700 (PDT)

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I believe the cherry has PEG in it CAREFUL.................Have you ever tried Natural Calm, or in your case, kid calm?

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 3:24:41 PMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor?

Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago)

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented???

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)

To: <miralax >

ReplyTo: miralax

Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst

cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions

that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

marie Showalter

gshowalter@...

May 8, 2011

The CALM brand does?!Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerrySender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 16:44:24 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Magnesium Citrate, cherry flavorTo: miralax Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 8:12:21 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! What has PEG in it? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Sender: miralax Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 03:39:43 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I believe the cherry has PEG in it CAREFUL.................Have you ever tried Natural Calm, or in your case, kid calm? To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 3:24:41 PMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Ahhhhhh. I started him on Magnesium Citrate (CALM rasberry and lemon flavor) but he is not thrilled with it. I understand that there is one for children but our Whole Foods doesn't carry it. Is there really a big difference in the taste/flavor? Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the market about 10 years ago) To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AMSubject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so "grave" after talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for him. But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there are alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie ours, before PEG was invented??? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Sender: miralax Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)To: <miralax >ReplyTo: miralax Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files sectionTo: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?! I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worstcases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questionsthat I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, mariemarie Showaltergshowalter@...

May 9, 2011

Is it only the CALM brand? We have been using the cherry flavor Walgreens

brand of Magnesium Citrate (just small amounts, not a 'clean-out' dose), and it

doesn't list PEG on the active or inactive ingredients list.

>

> Â

> >

> >Magnesium Citrate and Phosphate Soda (Phosphate Soda was pulled from the

market

> >about 10 years ago)

> >

> ________________________________

>

> >To: miralax

> >Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:33:00 AM

> >Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son

is

> > " impacted " ?!

> >

> >Â

> >Excellent point about the tube. Another reason why we shouldn't even consider

> >this procedure as an alternative. His situation just seemed so " grave " after

> >talking with both docs and I left both appointments feeling so worried for

him.

> >But then... the more I read/researched, the more hopeful I become that there

are

> >alternatives that can help him. What on earth did GI docs DO for kids lie

ours,

> >before PEG was invented???

> >

> >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> ________________________________

>

> >

> >Sender: miralax

> >Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT)

> >To: <miralax >

> >ReplyTo: miralax

> >Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son

is

> > " impacted " ?!

> >

> >Â

> >

> >marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a

safer

> >product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube

> >into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files

> >section I posted. PEG is aÂ liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs

will

> >have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

> >

> ________________________________

>

> >To: miralax

> >Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AM

> >Subject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is

> > " impacted " ?!

> >

> >Â

> >I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of

> >the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else

who

> >has encountered or heard of my son's issue:

> >

> >He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has

> >never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no

> >animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even

green

> >smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or

> >carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day.

> >

> >However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2

different

> >X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE

> >intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one

for a

> >2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They

> >actually used the term " impacted " and one said it was one of the worst cases

she

> >had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).

> >

> >He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping

and

> >has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so

confusing.

> >

> >Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out

his

> >intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a " clean slate " , to see how his

> >intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT

> >comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting

him

> >into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering

> >concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to

> >evacuate his system completely. (((

> >

> >Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune

> >juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes

that

> >it will help significantly.

> >

> >Questions that I am hoping someone can answer:

> >

> >1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but

still

> >has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.

> >

> >2. I understand that there are many " natural " products that " soften " stools

or

> >increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural

> >product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from

scratch?

> >

> >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >Thank you, marie

> >

>

> marie Showalter

> gshowalter@...

>

May 9, 2011

Greetings marieYes I have experience with your questions.

First, make sure your child IS NOT consuming Miralax it will eventually paralize the colon and halt all parastalsis, the wavey motion that pushes poop throught the long muscle tubing we all refer to as the gi track.

Secondly, Prune juice, plum smart, contain the same ingredient as found in the Gi track that gets the gut moving so DO NOT consome for more that four days because the you could actually DAMAGE the gut. reference Jefferey Aron MD. Book GUT CHECK

Third, My daughter has been hospitlaized many times for impaction 70% 90% and and 60% and was still pooping several tinmes a day. So me the aprent had no clue she was constipated or inpacted at all untuil she started complaing of major pain.

The ANSWER...

The answer to coinstipation does not seem to lay within the medical proefessions reach because they can not make money on it...

What I am doing and it seem sot be working is giving my daughter as much apple juice as i can and fruit to make her bowels runny as possible.

I also has a gi doc who listens to me instead of pulls out a prescription pad when we came to see him.

The first thing you need to do is rule out any type of common allergy that could be irritating the lining of the gi tract.

1. have a RASP blood test to see if the child is allergic to dairy, wheat, corn, all nuts, meats, etc...

2. make sure when the doc runs the RASP blood test that they also run and IGE blood test to see if there ANY unknown inflamation that could be causeing the problem

3. if you are eating conventional food STOP and switch to oraganics only this is soooooooooooo important to neuro health and gi health. The FDA has approved newuor toxins to be sprayed on all the food stating only 5% of the nation will be effected so it is harmless. guess what... I suffered for years with migraines only to find out it was the pesticidese that were affecting me.

Additionally, my daughter cannot eat any convetional food, or prepared foods do to preservative toxicity problems All these tests are pretty simple to order and can be taken in one blood draw but doctors do bnot think to order them.

Think logically about the body. Anything that goes in the body is either going to purify or pollute it. I have a book at home that I will list the authors name and book tilte tomorrow that will give my insights.

Love and Sunshine'

Holly

Subject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!To: miralax Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 7:02 AM

I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst

cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions

that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

May 9, 2011

I used Mag citrate for a few weeks but found it to stress the body unles used on an accational basis only.

Holly

Subject: Re: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!To: miralax Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 11:44 AM

marie, There are alternatives that GI Docs use. Magnesium Citrate is a safer product. Beware...........it only takes one human error to insert the GI tube into the lungs vs. the stomach. There are many reports of this in the files section I posted. PEG is a liquid plastic and if aspirated into the lungs will have bigger problems than you can imagine. Please see files section

To: miralax Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 2:02:36 AMSubject: SOOO confused. Pooping 1-2x a day but docs say my son is "impacted"?!

I am new to the group and have just read through all of the files and many of the posts (VERY informative and helpful), in hopes of finding someone else who has encountered or heard of my son's issue:He is 5 years old and has ALWAYS had a very distended belly. However, he has never had any issues pooping, so we didn't understand why. We are vegans (no animal products) so he eats a great deal of fiber, fruit, veggies and even green smoothies daily and he drinks primarily water- but sometimes almond milk or carrot juice. He consistently poops 1-2x a day. However, many months ago, he began complaining of stomach aches and 2 different X-rays (weeks apart) showed that not only was he constipated, but his ENTIRE intestinal area was filled?! Both Ped. Gastro specialists (I saw a 2nd one for a 2nd opinion) said that it is clearly long term functional constipation. They actually used the term "impacted" and one said it was one of the worst

cases she had seen in a very, very long time (insert sad face and huge tear-drop here).He has been potty trained for years, does not have any hangups about pooping and has regular and normal bowel movements, which is what makes this so confusing. Of course, both docs want him on Miralax and both recommended cleaning out his intestines COMPLETELY, and starting with a "clean slate", to see how his intestines manage after that. I agree 100% with this philosophy... but am NOT comfortable giving him Miralax. The 2nd doctor actually suggested admitting him into the hospital for 24-48 hours, with a tube down his nose, delivering concentrated amounts of it via Golytley (or Nulytley) into his system, to evacuate his system completely. (((Soooooo- Instead... we have just started trying the magnesium citrate, prune juice, aloe vera juice and some homeopathic pellets from Borion, in hopes that it will help significantly.Questions

that I am hoping someone can answer:1. Have any of you ever heard of a child who is incredibly constipated but still has regular bowel movements? If so- please share any info you may have.2. I understand that there are many "natural" products that "soften" stools or increase bowel movements but does anyone have any suggestions for a natural product that completely evacuates the intestines, so we can start from scratch?Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, marie

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