Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Re: Re: Disproving my theory > My PTSD manifests as an inability to remember first and last names, rather > than anything Stockholm Syndrome like. If I ever did, I would probably > track down and kill a significant number of my middle-school classmates. It > wouldn't just be " bang, you're dead. " It would be extracting a confession > of WHY they did what they did, NKVD style. I just don't get it, even today. > h Fromm only goes so far, you know? > > Sometimes, I'm amazed that I'm not a mass-murderer. I guess it says > something about the triumph of the human spirit over adversity. > You'd better be careful what you say. In the UK legislation has been passed to pre-emptively section persons with a diagnosed psychopathology, i.e. with a neurological disorder that may cause them to commit homocide. The same logic applies to paedophiles. The mere possession of child porn may lead to instant arrest, without a shred of evidence that the individual ever abused a child. The media is replete with scare stories about paedos, gun crime and terrorists, while the entertainment industry markets simulated death and destruction with heavy doses of trivialised sex. We're being trained to mistrust our neighbours. No wonder AS is on the rise... Neil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Neil Gardner wrote: > Homo sapiens sapiens has been around for 30,000 to 80,000 years. The > last three generations, some 75-80 years are just another day of our > species' existence on this planet, except this time we are the main > architects of our environment. I think aspies are at a distinct > disadvantage in most social and work situations. Perhaps, but less of a disadvantage now than in the time for which nonverbal abilities were well-adapted-- preverbal times, including those before H. sapiens existed as such. Things are not easy for our kind, but we live in a time when the richest person in the world and " Man of the century " are/were probably both of our kind. > More to the point, > body language and hidden meanings seem to be acquiring greater, and > not less, importance. How so? I don't see that. I see a trend, from the beginning of the species (or even the genus) until now, where nonverbal language went from the only means of communication to one that isn't necessary. We don't need it anymore... we have verbal rules and concepts that are much more clear and precise than the " fuzzy, " emotionally-based nonverbal cues ever were. > While rhetoric becomes more pc, actual > behaviour is becoming more prejudicial against those who fail to fit > in. I don't know that this is the case... but even if it is, it can hardly be taken as a long-term trend. It would be but a blip on the radar... it is clear that, for all of human history, verbal or written language has been gaining in importance, while nonverbal language has been diminishing. A single person's perception of greater conformism does not make it so... but even if it is accurate, it could be regional, or it could be a short-lived phenomenon. If you look at recent human history, there have been alternating times of conformism and non-conformism... I can see non-conformism in the pre-depression " roaring 20s, " then society was interrupted by the depression and WWII... then there was a period of heavy conformism in the 1950s, followed by a period of nonconformism in the 60s and 70s, and then another period of conformism in the 80s. It ebbs and flows, but overall, I think we are making incremental gains. Now, we live in a time where computers are ubiquitous, and computer nerds are not disliked as they were in the 1980s, when I was one, when I was in school. Our numbers appear to be growing, if there is anything to the reports that say so, and people are living a lifestyle that is more suited to people that live in groups of one than for people who desire to live in familial tribal groups. > Imagine a society nobody could tolerate the presence of others, > nobody sought friendship and everyone were completely immersed in > their own world. It would be utterly dysfuntional. It sounds nice to me. We could better tolerate others if they weren't so.... well, NT. Part of the reason I dislike others is because they place so much expectation upon me... they think that I am there for them to talk to or interact with, and that I should do so and be happy about it. A lot of the stress of being around them is caused by my not knowing when they are going to begin interacting with me and loading my speech modules, which I do not always like to do in public. I don't see what the problem would be if nobody sought friendship. Of course, that is a strawman argument, because we already know that many of our kind do want friendships, although I can't personally understand why (unless they need someone to help move the furniture or something). But even if we take that as a given-- why would that be a problem? > Maybe that's the > plot behind much media-inspired social conditioning. Which many of us don't believe exists outside of the heads of conspiracy theorists > Indeed as long as > a sizable minority can opt out of brazen cultural decadence,it may > even empower the ruling elite, by making it easier for them to > control the masses with all their mental problems. I don't see what you mean by that. I still have the right to vote, and to speak my mind and try to influence others. > So I very much > doubt that AS could result from adaptive natural selection, but > rather the emerging science of epigenetics, studying how methylation > can silence specific genes, may help unravel the autistic mystery. Natural selection works when an accidental mutation causes a change in a species... a change that happens to cause the organisms of the species to be better adapted to their environment. I think that people without the tribal mentality are better adapted to our environment, whatever the cause of the loss of that mentality may be. If you look at the " alarming " increase in the rate of autistic births, it looks like it is happening rapidly indeed, and it has been hypothesized that the increase, especially in San and the so-called Silicon Valley of California, may be the concentration of nerds (BAPs usually, aspies sometimes) and their genes. As the numbers increase, social acceptability is likely to follow. I think things don't look bad in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 > The media is replete with scare stories about paedos, gun crime and > terrorists, while the entertainment industry markets simulated death and > destruction with heavy doses of trivialised sex. We're being trained to > mistrust our neighbours. No wonder AS is on the rise... > > Neil I don't follow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 > My PTSD manifests as an inability to remember first and last names, rather > than anything Stockholm Syndrome like. If I ever did, I would probably > track down and kill a significant number of my middle-school classmates. It > wouldn't just be " bang, you're dead. " It would be extracting a confession > of WHY they did what they did, NKVD style. I just don't get it, even today. > h Fromm only goes so far, you know? > > Sometimes, I'm amazed that I'm not a mass-murderer. I guess it says > something about the triumph of the human spirit over adversity. That's what I used to think, ceremoniously patting myself on the back for my lofty priciples. Then one day I realized I was just a big wuss, and always had been. Just a little " thing " I have for looking myself in the eye. Once in a while, at least. :-\ --DKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 I'm too big for people to bother with me; everybody seems to think that I could stomp them into nothingness without even thinking about it. I suppose a lot of it has to do with my expression when I'm concentrating; I have a high, flat forehead but my eyes are very deep-set and I look like I'm glaring most of the time. I think I'm a wuss, too. On the other hand, I do have some intense rages, and if someone were to mess with me when I am raging, I probably would stomp them into nothingness. My husband has a knack for knowing when I am about to have a fit of rage, and he sends the kids to their rooms. One of his favorite saying is, " I don't need to bungee jump to get a danger thrill, I mess with my wife when she has PMS! There's nothing more dangerous than that! " Louis In my house, " normal " is only a setting on the dryer. From: K. March That's what I used to think, ceremoniously patting myself on the back for my lofty priciples. Then one day I realized I was just a big wuss, and always had been. Just a little " thing " I have for looking myself in the eye. Once in a while, at least. :-\ --DKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 What is Stockholm Syndrome--is it the ability to be brainwashed? Norah > > Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:32:46 -0000 > To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse > Subject: Re: Disproving my theory > > So do some > autistics I've known (and admitting to it), and probably a lot do who > don't know what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Brainwashing is something intentional. Stockholm syndrome is the ability to bond with one's abusers. It's a survival mechanism for very dangerous situations at best, and the primary bonding mechanism in human beings at worst. Re: Re: Disproving my theory > What is Stockholm Syndrome--is it the ability to be brainwashed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Hmmm. Sadlly, I'm sure that some autistics have done this, especially if the abusers were everywhere and possibly in the guise of helping them. > > Reply-To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:12:50 -0600 > To: <AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse > > Subject: Re: Re: Disproving my theory > > Stockholm syndrome is the ability to bond with one's abusers. It's a > survival mechanism for very dangerous situations at best, and the primary > bonding mechanism in human beings at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Yeah, " good cop/bad cop " routine. Re: Re: Disproving my theory > > > > Stockholm syndrome is the ability to bond with one's abusers. It's a > > survival mechanism for very dangerous situations at best, and the primary > > bonding mechanism in human beings at worst. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 > What is Stockholm Syndrome--is it the ability to be brainwashed? More specific than that. It's something that happens to (traditionally) hostages, who begin to bond with and/or identify with their captors. Named after a bank robbery in Sweden in which some of the hostages became attached to their captors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 > Well, I'm glad my theory was finally put into place. ************** Well, i wonder if such a relationship has ezisted beetween 2 autistic people then? Gareth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 I've heard anger is really a rage this season? Happy New Year gareth /|\ > > I'm too big for people to bother with me; everybody seems to > think that I > > could stomp them into nothingness without even thinking > about it. I suppose > > a lot of it has to do with my expression when I'm concentrating; > I have a > > high, flat forehead but my eyes are very deep-set and I look like > I'm > > glaring most of the time. I think I'm a wuss, too. > > > > On the other hand, I do have some intense rages, and if > someone were to mess > > with me when I am raging, I probably would stomp them into > nothingness. My > > husband has a knack for knowing when I am about to have a fit > of rage, and > > he sends the kids to their rooms. One of his favorite saying is, > " I don't > > need to bungee jump to get a danger thrill, I mess with my wife > when she has > > PMS! There's nothing more dangerous than that! " > > > > Louis > > In my house, " normal " is only a setting on the dryer. > > > > From: K. March [mailto:dkmnow@y...] > > > > That's what I used to think, ceremoniously patting myself on > the back > > for my lofty priciples. > > > > Then one day I realized I was just a big wuss, and always had > been. > > > > Just a little " thing " I have for looking myself in the eye. > > > > Once in a while, at least. > > > > :-\ > > > > --DKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 OK, *again* this wasnt me. , could you please moderate this person? Thanks, Gareth. > > > I'm too big for people to bother with me; everybody seems to > > think that I > > > could stomp them into nothingness without even thinking > > about it. I suppose > > > a lot of it has to do with my expression when I'm concentrating; > > I have a > > > high, flat forehead but my eyes are very deep-set and I look > like > > I'm > > > glaring most of the time. I think I'm a wuss, too. > > > > > > On the other hand, I do have some intense rages, and if > > someone were to mess > > > with me when I am raging, I probably would stomp them into > > nothingness. My > > > husband has a knack for knowing when I am about to have a fit > > of rage, and > > > he sends the kids to their rooms. One of his favorite saying is, > > " I don't > > > need to bungee jump to get a danger thrill, I mess with my wife > > when she has > > > PMS! There's nothing more dangerous than that! " > > > > > > Louis > > > In my house, " normal " is only a setting on the dryer. > > > > > > From: K. March [mailto:dkmnow@y...] > > > > > > That's what I used to think, ceremoniously patting myself on > > the back > > > for my lofty priciples. > > > > > > Then one day I realized I was just a big wuss, and always had > > been. > > > > > > Just a little " thing " I have for looking myself in the eye. > > > > > > Once in a while, at least. > > > > > > :-\ > > > > > > --DKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 > > > You ought to thank them for saving you northerners from yourselves. > > was probably close to the worst of all of the candidates > > (pretending here that he was on the same level as all of the > > candidates to replace him), probably right below that porn-star woman > > > > , while not someone I'd want in office, was not AFAIK attempting > to undermine the Lanterman act, and didn't, as Schwarzenegger did, > essentially confess to a " brainfart " when it was pointed out to him > that this was a horrible idea. I honestly don't know which of the two > is worse, I didn't vote for either one of them. > > Arianna Huffington ( " who? " ), who was ignored and sidelined by the mass myopia machine in this race, is one of the most promising candidates for public office I've seen in years. I'm sure there's " dirt " on her of which I am unaware, but few of us can escape that charge. The extreme " evolution " of her political views over the years is no secret, and that's one of the things that I find most appealing about her---she's not enslaved by the stereotypically American but tediously fusty and pompous commandment, " Thou shalt not show any sign of weakness. " Whatever Arianna's public liabilities, the inclusion in US politics of those who can fully grasp the sentiment of humility will be a benefit to the entire world. " Perhaps, even more important than 'the courage of one's convictions' is the courage to question them. " --(unknown, derived from Nietzsche.) We need more of that. The real thing, not the Hollywood version. There's no escaping the fact of drama as a function of public office, but when we wink at the actors' performance and just go on with the show, the *power* play will evolve as it must---toward ever more elaborate levels of corruption. --DKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Kaiden wrote: > Being college educated, I see evolution as a matter > of fact, and don't get into arguments with creationists > on the subject. I simply accept that many people believe > all sorts of weird things, and that I ought to choose > battles big enough to matter, but small enough to win. I know many college-educated people who do believe in creation, and also many who believe in evolution. I'm not going to argue the matter, as I believe in both. I was a bit surprised to see Anas deny evolution, because his and my religion actually does not deny that possibility. I believe in an evolution that was/is directed by God, and that it is continuing according to His plan. Mankind has always had little idea what that plan entails. Clay PS. The " His " is only shorthand for One who is male, female, neither, and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 AndyTiedye wrote: > The energy deregulation? That was 's baby. And it was a good idea. Deregulation has caused costs to drop in many other markets, including Arizona. Of course, it didn't work in California, where bungled the " power crisis " and signed contracts well into the future to buy power at well above market rates. > http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081903G.shtml > http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283 & row=0 > http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/08/11/enron/index_np.html > > Now watch Arnie hold us down while Kennyboy and his friends grope a > few more billions out of our wallets. Nonsense. Even a liberal publication like LA Weekly can't swallow that one. http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/47/election-blume.php It is amazing that you managed to blame every Republican in sight-- , Bush, and Schwarzenegger-- but nothing about " Gray-out " . Fortunately for them, most Californians didn't see it so. And if you want to keep calling Schwarzenegger a groper, why don't you go ahead and call a batterer, and Clinton a rapist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 K. March wrote: >Arianna Huffington ( " who? " ), who was ignored and sidelined by >the mass myopia machine in this race, is one of the most >promising candidates for public office I've seen in years. I'm >sure there's " dirt " on her of which I am unaware, but few of us >can escape that charge. The extreme " evolution " of her political >views over the years is no secret, and that's one of the things that >I find most appealing about her---she's not enslaved by the >stereotypically American but tediously fusty and pompous >commandment, " Thou shalt not show any sign of weakness. " >Whatever Arianna's public liabilities, the inclusion in US politics >of those who can fully grasp the sentiment of humility will be a >benefit to the entire world. > I really like Arianna. If she had won the election, it would have given the wingers who funded the recall just what they deserved. Say, isn't it time for another recall? Ride the Music AndyTiedye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Klein wrote: >AndyTiedye wrote: > > >> The energy deregulation? That was 's baby. >> >> > >And it was a good idea. Deregulation has caused costs to drop in many >other markets, including Arizona. Of course, it didn't work in >California, where bungled the " power crisis " and signed contracts >well into the future to buy power at well above market rates > He signed those contracts with a gun to his head, AFTER Enron and some other robber barons had manipulated the market and cut off our electricity. That is a matter of public record. When the Federal government made it clear that it would not enforce the laws that were being broken, had no alternative but to capitulate and sign the contracts, or California would have been systematically shut down by power blackouts. Ride the Music AndyTiedye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 > > > Here it's in all HR training manuals (did the candidate establish > >eye contact with confidence?). > > > One of the reasons why all the engineering organizations I have > worked in make a point of NOT letting HR " screen " our job applicants! > The engineering managers have had to take control of the interview > process away from HR completely, arranging for the candidate to > interview his would-be boss and peers. HR only does the paperwork. > Yes! That's BEAUTIFUL! Brought a tear to my eye! (sob) :-D No kidding---I'm an old student of the Deming/s school of tought in business. I've seen glaring examples, over and over, of how the worship of burocracy and authoritarian policy lead nowhere but to political tail-chasing. > > Earlier in my career, that situation was not so well-established, > and an HR person was well on her way to screening me out the door > by the time I could tell her that I had already been made an offer. > This visibly annoyed her, but she had no choice in the matter. > I worked there for 16 years before I left for another company. > Sounds like she was strung out on testosterone. You probably sent her into withdrawal---at least until the next applicant came in! :-\ [snip] > > > Just now we are more obvious, because society has > >rediscovered nonverbal signals as a means of mass deceipt, enabling to > >accept a spoken or written truth, but understand a hiddenor unsayable truth > >at a lower level of consciousness. > > > They haven't just been discovered, they are just being used more > relentlessly by an ever-smaller number of people over an ever-larger > number of outlets to convey an ever-narrower set of viewpoints, > while opposing viewpoints (which might break the spell) have been > effectively excluded. > > Who Owns The News? > Gutenberg! :-D > > Ride the Music > > AndyTiedye best wishes --DKM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 People with Gut worm have less alergies. As it is natural to have creatures living in our guts, it would seem a simbiosis is in action, like how viruses (or bacteria... mitochondria, i think they are called) live in our cells and convert oxygen to " body batteries " Anyway, people with gutworm have less allergies, apperently. Also, they can help enourmously with irritable bowel syndrome, as they give off chemicals to the body, telling the body not to eat them, which placates the white blood cells. Gareth. *********** > I have to disagree with you on the allergenic thing, . > > Allergies tend to come in threshold levels. So, a Paleolithic person > without a high degree of foreign substances in his diet would have a higher > allergy tolerance simply due to the fact that he's living in a world were > milk, grains, refined sugar, legumes and potatoes aren't considered food. > > Just me two-cent coupon on the matter. > > Being college educated, I see evolution as a matter of fact, and don't get > into arguments with creationists on the subject. I simply accept that many > people believe all sorts of weird things, and that I ought to choose battles > big enough to matter, but small enough to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 > > > OK, *again* this wasnt me. , could you please moderate this > > person? > > I'll do one better. The imposter is no longer on the group. My > apologies for not detecting that earlier. > > **********8 Thanks . Gareth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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