Re: OT: CE problem

[Guest guest]

I'm writing this about 30 minutes after my initial post, and as I continue on my unexpected and unpleasant caffeine high, it occurs to me that maybe one can develop a sensitivity to the caffeine in the CE. So that even if it doesn't go through the usual channels, it gets into the system enough to have the unwanted caffeine effect? Do any of the routine CE users know anything about this?

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T WaltersSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:53 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: OT: CE problem

I've been doing CE's for awhile as part of my detox protocols, following the recommendations I received here--using only 2 cups at a time. Initially I was concerned about the caffeine, but most people here said it wouldn't likely be a problem as long as the volume was kept low enough. I've been doing them for the past couple of months with no problem. But last week after 2 CE's one day, I found myself feeling very caffeinated. I thought maybe it wasn't the caffeine, since my main symptom is jitteriness anyway. But today I was feeling okay, no jitters, then did one CE. Within about half an hour I found my heart pounding. That's definitely not part of my symptom picture, and is something I'd experience if I drank coffee.

Has anyone experienced this before, or have any ideas about what I might be doing to cause this? I hate to have to give them up, but can't tolerate getting symptoms from something I do to alleviate symptoms.

Incidentally, there was a new TV show this year called "The Big C," about a woman with cancer. It was on HBO or Showtime, I don't remember which. At one point she spent an entire episode being really hyper, and finally said it was from doing CE's. I thought, "well they've got that wrong because CE's don't do that." Looks like maybe I was the one who was wrong.

[Guest guest]

You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people have struggled with this more than I have.Be well,LénaI've been doing CE's for awhile as part of my detox protocols, following the recommendations I received here--using only 2 cups at a time. Initially I was concerned about the caffeine, but most people here said it wouldn't likely be a problem as long as the volume was kept low enough. I've been doing them for the past couple of months with no problem. But last week after 2 CE's one day, I found myself feeling very caffeinated. I thought maybe it wasn't the caffeine, since my main symptom is jitteriness anyway. But today I was feeling okay, no jitters, then did one CE. Within about half an hour I found my heart pounding. That's definitely not part of my symptom picture, and is something I'd experience if I drank coffee. Has anyone experienced this before, or have any ideas about what I might be doing to cause this? I hate to have to give them up, but can't tolerategetting symptoms from something I do to alleviate symptoms. Incidentally, there was a new TV show this year called "The Big C," about a woman with cancer. It was on HBO or Showtime, I don't remember which. At one point she spent an entire episode being really hyper, and finally said it was from doing CE's. I thought, "well they've got that wrong because CE's don't do that." Looks like maybe I was the one who was wrong.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lena. I routinely take a binder awhile before a CE. When this caffeine-like reaction happened last time I didn't recognize it right away as an effect of the CE. But when it happened again on this very next CE, I couldn't help but connect it. I really hate to lose the CE's, but it's been a couple of hours now and I feel sooo hyper. This is awful.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people have struggled with this more than I have.

Be well,

Léna

I've been doing CE's for awhile as part of my detox protocols, following the recommendations I received here--using only 2 cups at a time. Initially I was concerned about the caffeine, but most people here said it wouldn't likely be a problem as long as the volume was kept low enough. I've been doing them for the past couple of months with no problem. But last week after 2 CE's one day, I found myself feeling very caffeinated. I thought maybe it wasn't the caffeine, since my main symptom is jitteriness anyway. But today I was feeling okay, no jitters, then did one CE. Within about half an hour I found my heart pounding. That's definitely not part of my symptom picture, and is something I'd experience if I drank coffee.

Has anyone experienced this before, or have any ideas about what I might be doing to cause this? I hate to have to give them up, but can't tolerategetting symptoms from something I do to alleviate symptoms.

Incidentally, there was a new TV show this year called "The Big C," about a woman with cancer. It was on HBO or Showtime, I don't remember which. At one point she spent an entire episode being really hyper, and finally said it was from doing CE's. I thought, "well they've got that wrong because CE's don't do that." Looks like maybe I was the one who was wrong.

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,I feel for you! I'd personally hate to find myself suddenly sensitive to caffeine, as CEs are really my mainstay. There are people who have developed sensitivities, and folks like musiclady() have better knowledge about how to deal with these wit NAET (don't have anyone nearby who could help me with this), but I'd still look for other explanations before giving up.Last week, I had two days of incredible jitters, wanted to jump out of my skin. It could have been a double critical in my biorhythm (I checked in desperation; never do routinely as I don't want to yield to suggestion) or it could have been some other inflammatory set-up which arises sometimes. It passed, and I'm so thankful.My CE is only about 6oz, max, and very rarely do I do two in a day, except for an abysmal herx, but once in a while, I weaken the strength of the caffeine just to see what happens. I do this with most of my protocols, as a think a 'restrat is a good idea sometimes.I hope you sort this out soon.Be well,LénaThanks, Lena. I routinely take a binder awhile before a CE. When this caffeine-like reaction happened last time I didn't recognize it right away as an effect of the CE. But when it happened again on this very next CE, I couldn't help but connect it. I really hate to lose the CE's, but it's been a couple of hours now and I feel sooo hyper. This is awful. Peggy From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people have struggled with this more than I have.Be well,LénaI've been doing CE's for awhile as part of my detox protocols, following the recommendations I received here--using only 2 cups at a time. Initially I was concerned about the caffeine, but most people here said it wouldn't likely be a problem as long as the volume was kept low enough. I've been doing them for the past couple of months with no problem. But last week after 2 CE's one day, I found myself feeling very caffeinated. I thought maybe it wasn't the caffeine, since my main symptom is jitteriness anyway. But today I was feeling okay, no jitters, then did one CE. Within about half an hour I found my heart pounding. That's definitely not part of my symptom picture, and is something I'd experience if I drank coffee. Has anyone experienced this before, or have any ideas about what I might be doing to cause this? I hate to have to give them up, but can't tolerategetting symptoms from something I do to alleviate symptoms. Incidentally, there was a new TV show this year called "The Big C," about a woman with cancer. It was on HBO or Showtime, I don't remember which. At one point she spent an entire episode being really hyper, and finally said it was from doing CE's. I thought, "well they've got that wrong because CE's don't do that." Looks like maybe I was the one who was wrong.

[Guest guest]

Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be bothered by the caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than coffee that would help detoxify the liver?

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people have struggled with this more than I have. Be well,

Léna

[Guest guest]

Yes, when I was coiling Lyme aggressively, I experienced this. See if either

Burbur or Pinella will knock it out in large doses or try some Ammonia detox

supplements in large doses. What you are experiencing is reactions to the

toxins dumping. I would make sure you have a lot of binders in place a half

hour before the coffee enema, chlorella, clay, zeolite, charcoal or whatever you

have on hand Wellchol or cholestyramine. Any of these will help to absorb the

toxins. Take them a half hour before you do the CE. Unfortunately, I went

through a huge detox period that was hard for me to tolerate doin CEs, but

luckily I am past that. Most of it was Ammonia related due to killing Lyme off.

I just went ahead and toughed it out and made sure I had a lot of herx buster

herbs on hand. The other possibility is that you could have developed an

allergy to either the coffee or caffeine. My guess is that it is more likely an

Ammonia or metals problem. My metals have really come down since doing the CEs,

but the CEs did often stir up some unpleasant symptoms occasionally.

>

> I've been doing CE's for awhile as part of my detox protocols, following the

> recommendations I received here--using only 2 cups at a time. Initially I

> was concerned about the caffeine, but most people here said it wouldn't

> likely be a problem as long as the volume was kept low enough. I've been

> doing them for the past couple of months with no problem. But last week

> after 2 CE's one day, I found myself feeling very caffeinated. I thought

> maybe it wasn't the caffeine, since my main symptom is jitteriness anyway.

> But today I was feeling okay, no jitters, then did one CE. Within about

> half an hour I found my heart pounding. That's definitely not part of my

> symptom picture, and is something I'd experience if I drank coffee.

>

> Has anyone experienced this before, or have any ideas about what I might be

> doing to cause this? I hate to have to give them up, but can't tolerate

> getting symptoms from something I do to alleviate symptoms.

>

> Incidentally, there was a new TV show this year called " The Big C, " about a

> woman with cancer. It was on HBO or Showtime, I don't remember which. At

> one point she spent an entire episode being really hyper, and finally said

> it was from doing CE's. I thought, " well they've got that wrong because

> CE's don't do that. " Looks like maybe I was the one who was wrong.

>

[Guest guest]

You might try green tea, it has less caffeine, but I am thinking like Lena it is

more toxin related then a problem with the caffeine. You might want to try

putting some chlorella drops directly into the coffee to see if that helps bind

stuff up too. I wouldn't add any Glutathione at the moment because it also

causes a lot of dumping of Ammonia. I have also put Zeolite into the coffee. I

would try a weaker brew with Chlorella drops and Zeolite and see it that helps

ease the symptoms some. Also maybe you are taking your binders to early. Dr.

Klinghardt says about a half hour prior to the CE. Play with the amount of time

between taking your binders and the CE. Hang in there, I know the symptoms can

be tough, but you are getting this stuff out and that is what you want to happen

as unpleasant as this might be.

>

> Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be bothered by the

> caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than coffee that

> would help detoxify the liver?

>

> Peggy

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of Guyot Léna

> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

>

>

> You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If

> that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before

> the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and

> affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a

> pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the

> cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some

> pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when

> they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people

> have struggled with this more than I have.

>

> Be well,

> Léna

>

[Guest guest]

One more thing, if all else fails do your CEs less often. If you do them during

a massive herx, you might be overwhelmed by the amount of toxins being released.

Wait until your herx dies down a bit and try a more diluted CE with lots of

binders. In the meantime when herxing take herbs like Burbur or Pinella or even

Red Clover which is a blood cleanser to bust your herx.

> >

> > Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be bothered by the

> > caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than coffee that

> > would help detoxify the liver?

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> > On Behalf Of Guyot Léna

> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AM

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

> >

> >

> > You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If

> > that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before

> > the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and

> > affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a

> > pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the

> > cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some

> > pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when

> > they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people

> > have struggled with this more than I have.

> >

> > Be well,

> > Léna

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I have tried both Burbur and Pinella and neither of them did anything for me, even in high doses. I was taking the binders about half an hour before--Welchol, bentonite, chlorella. Charcoal badly nauseates me, so I ruled that out awhile back. And I went through several bottles of zeolite without any results. I've also started K-Mag KG, so that should be helping with ammonia. But ever since the CE this morning I've felt like a basket case.

I've also considered the possibility that I've developed an allergy to the coffee or caffeine. I suppose it's one or the other, toxins or allergy. Whatever it is, it's been hard for me to get through the day. I can barely concentrate on anything, feel like my brain has been taken over by aliens. Hostile ones.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of musicladySent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:11 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

Yes, when I was coiling Lyme aggressively, I experienced this. See if either Burbur or Pinella will knock it out in large doses or try some Ammonia detox supplements in large doses. What you are experiencing is reactions to the toxins dumping. I would make sure you have a lot of binders in place a half hour before the coffee enema, chlorella, clay, zeolite, charcoal or whatever you have on hand Wellchol or cholestyramine. Any of these will help to absorb the toxins. Take them a half hour before you do the CE. Unfortunately, I went through a huge detox period that was hard for me to tolerate doin CEs, but luckily I am past that. Most of it was Ammonia related due to killing Lyme off. I just went ahead and toughed it out and made sure I had a lot of herx buster herbs on hand. The other possibility is that you could have developed an allergy to either the coffee or caffeine. My guess is that it is more likely an Ammonia or metals problem. My metals have really come down since doing the CEs, but the CEs did often stir up some unpleasant symptoms occasionally.

[Guest guest]

Hey ,I'm learning to give timely praise and thanks when moved to do so, and your posts are so wonderful, thorough, experienced, etc, that I just want to say 'Thanks for being here!' You've turned your own struggles into such a wealth of help for others, and I want you to know that this isn't taken for granted.Be well,LénaOne more thing, if all else fails do your CEs less often. If you do them during a massive herx, you might be overwhelmed by the amount of toxins being released. Wait until your herx dies down a bit and try a more diluted CE with lots of binders. In the meantime when herxing take herbs like Burbur or Pinella or even Red Clover which is a blood cleanser to bust your herx.> >> > Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be bothered by the> > caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than coffee that> > would help detoxify the liver?> > > > Peggy> > > > _____ > > > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]> > On Behalf Of Guyot Léna> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AM> > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > Subject: Re: OT: CE problem> > > > > > You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If> > that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before> > the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and> > affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a> > pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the> > cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some> > pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when> > they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people> > have struggled with this more than I have. > > > > Be well,> > Léna> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lena,

I have mutual admiration respect and gratitude to you as well for all of your

guidance. I have also leaned many things from you along the way. I am here

because I have done a lot trial and error on my own body. I guess you could

call me my own guinea pig. I have been treating for 10 years and could have

reached my goal so much sooner had someone just told me how to do it. Hindsight

is twenty twenty. I am so happy because I am now muscle testing for 0% lyme and

only 9% mycoplasma. I am down from 45% Mycoplasma in December. After

Mycoplasma, I am going to do nosodes for Candida and then I think I am done.

Now the problem is figuring out what to do with the rest of my life since it has

been so consumed with treating these infections. I know you are seeing light at

the end of the tunnel too and it is such a good feeling and we are proof that

you can recover from Lyme.

> > >

> > > Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be

> bothered by the

> > > caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than

> coffee that

> > > would help detoxify the liver?

> > >

> > > Peggy

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife

> ]

> > > On Behalf Of Guyot Léna

> > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AM

> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

> > >

> > >

> > > You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing

> this. If

> > > that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or

> so before

> > > the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they

> recirculate and

> > > affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because

> it's not a

> > > pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing

> might be the

> > > cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill,

> and some

> > > pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they

> release when

> > > they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some

> people

> > > have struggled with this more than I have.

> > >

> > > Be well,

> > > Léna

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,Than k you for your kind words. Well, one thing I think we could visualize in our Lyme-free futures, would be a rendezvous of a few days in rio: you in your condo, and we in our Airstream somewhere nearby. =)As the slow return to heath progresses, I'm back to writing my trilogy, some stories, a protest song about gas-fracking, and a long letter called Lyme/24: a day of Lyme Disease which I'm going to send to everyone I know who's clueless about LD. It'll be sort of a counter-point to those sometimes sickening Christmas letters people send out that are all success and gloss (and heart-breaking to those of us just fighting to stay alive and upright) It might be finished by Lyme-Awareness day/week, but not holding myself to any deadline, as deadlines ruled my life for far too long and aren't healthy for me anymore.there are so many things in life to engage the spirit, that one only has to write a list and then just pick something. One thing will lead to another and we will LIVING again. I'm so happy to hear how well you're doing! I haven't muscle-tested my success, but my dreams are vividly telling me how close to well I am.Be well, my friend,LénaHi Lena,I have mutual admiration respect and gratitude to you as well for all of your guidance. I have also leaned many things from you along the way. I am here because I have done a lot trial and error on my own body. I guess you could call me my own guinea pig. I have been treating for 10 years and could have reached my goal so much sooner had someone just told me how to do it. Hindsight is twenty twenty. I am so happy because I am now muscle testing for 0% lyme and only 9% mycoplasma. I am down from 45% Mycoplasma in December. After Mycoplasma, I am going to do nosodes for Candida and then I think I am done. Now the problem is figuring out what to do with the rest of my life since it has been so consumed with treating these infections. I know you are seeing light at the end of the tunnel too and it is such a good feeling and we are proof that you can recover from Lyme.> > >> > > Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be > bothered by the> > > caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than > coffee that> > > would help detoxify the liver?> > >> > > Peggy> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife > ]> > > On Behalf Of Guyot Léna> > > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AM> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > Subject: Re: OT: CE problem> > >> > >> > > You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing > this. If> > > that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or > so before> > > the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they > recirculate and> > > affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because > it's not a> > > pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing > might be the> > > cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, > and some> > > pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they > release when> > > they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some > people> > > have struggled with this more than I have.> > >> > > Be well,> > > Léna> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

I've not had jitters from CE though oral caffeine will give me insomnia. As

long as I don't try to do a CE in the evening I've not had this effect. And

I've been doing them twice a day lately. So I think the amount of caffeine I

absorb is pretty low. And I use about double the amount of fluid you are using.

Another binder to try might be Nanotek Chitosan which helps clear neurotoxins.

I get relief if I take about 4 of them.

Also, I agree with about playing around with the timing of the binders.

Also the amount you take.

If it is the release of toxins that is the issue, you might try adding a

laxative at the beginning of the CE to try to move toxins out quickly as the

enema only cleanses part of your colon. Also do you split the CE into two

doses? If so, my LLMD told me to take the charcoal (binder) at the beginning of

the CE and at the 15 minute point. The bile is going to enter the intestine

right below the stomach so its got to go through the small and large intestines

to be excreted. I'm guessing the bile with toxins is still being reabsorbed and

causing your symptoms.

Sherry

>

> Thanks, . I have tried both Burbur and Pinella and neither of them did

> anything for me, even in high doses. I was taking the binders about half an

> hour before--Welchol, bentonite, chlorella. Charcoal badly nauseates me, so

> I ruled that out awhile back. And I went through several bottles of zeolite

> without any results. I've also started K-Mag KG, so that should be helping

> with ammonia. But ever since the CE this morning I've felt like a basket

> case.

>

> I've also considered the possibility that I've developed an allergy to the

> coffee or caffeine. I suppose it's one or the other, toxins or allergy.

> Whatever it is, it's been hard for me to get through the day. I can barely

> concentrate on anything, feel like my brain has been taken over by aliens.

> Hostile ones.

>

> Peggy

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of musiclady

> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:11 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

>

> Yes, when I was coiling Lyme aggressively, I experienced this. See if either

> Burbur or Pinella will knock it out in large doses or try some Ammonia detox

> supplements in large doses. What you are experiencing is reactions to the

> toxins dumping. I would make sure you have a lot of binders in place a half

> hour before the coffee enema, chlorella, clay, zeolite, charcoal or whatever

> you have on hand Wellchol or cholestyramine. Any of these will help to

> absorb the toxins. Take them a half hour before you do the CE.

> Unfortunately, I went through a huge detox period that was hard for me to

> tolerate doin CEs, but luckily I am past that. Most of it was Ammonia

> related due to killing Lyme off. I just went ahead and toughed it out and

> made sure I had a lot of herx buster herbs on hand. The other possibility is

> that you could have developed an allergy to either the coffee or caffeine.

> My guess is that it is more likely an Ammonia or metals problem. My metals

> have really come down since doing the CEs, but the CEs did often stir up

> some unpleasant symptoms occasionally.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

When you say you get relief by using Nanotek Chitosan, can you describe what you mean? Are you saying that you have symptoms of being toxic and these clear up when you take 4 chitosan? My main symptom is this terrible jittery feeling. I'd take anything that would clear it up, but nothing ever does. It started yesterday morning right after a CE, and I still had it 12 hours later when I went to bed. I'm surprised I was able to get to sleep. It may have been caused by toxins as has been suggested, but if so, absolutely nothing eliminated them--I took Welchol, bentonite in multiple doses, Burbur in multiple doses, chlorella; nothing worked.

To answer your question, yes I always split the CE into two doses, though yesterday I didn't do the second one after I had such a bad reaction to the first one. And though I can't take charcoal, I did take bentonite shortly beforehand. Needless to say, I feel compelled to give up CE's because it was just intolerable. I wouldn't want to have to go through another day like yesterday.

My other main symptom is weakness--not fatigue, but weakness, where I feel as though my knees are about to give way and I'll just tumble to the floor. I've read that weakness is a babesia symptom, though it can probably be a symptom of all kinds of things, so who knows.

I hope the wind is blowing away from you today. It must be scary being so close to Japan.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of scdlymieSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:59 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

Hi Peggy,I've not had jitters from CE though oral caffeine will give me insomnia. As long as I don't try to do a CE in the evening I've not had this effect. And I've been doing them twice a day lately. So I think the amount of caffeine I absorb is pretty low. And I use about double the amount of fluid you are using.Another binder to try might be Nanotek Chitosan which helps clear neurotoxins. I get relief if I take about 4 of them.Also, I agree with about playing around with the timing of the binders. Also the amount you take.If it is the release of toxins that is the issue, you might try adding a laxative at the beginning of the CE to try to move toxins out quickly as the enema only cleanses part of your colon. Also do you split the CE into two doses? If so, my LLMD told me to take the charcoal (binder) at the beginning of the CE and at the 15 minute point. The bile is going to enter the intestine right below the stomach so its got to go through the small and large intestines to be excreted. I'm guessing the bile with toxins is still being reabsorbed and causing your symptoms.Sherry

[Guest guest]

I found that I would experience the agitation you describe when I really got

aggressive with coiling. I also actually would experience nerve pain. Since I

have learned how to energy test and do NAET treatments on myself. I figured out

that when I would clear ammonia, the symptoms would temporarily improve, but

they would not last, because my body was constantly inundated with the stuff

from die off. It wasn't too bad when I was only doing a couple of minutes of

coiling, but when my time reached into the thirties on the coil, I detoxed a lot

of neuro-toxins and the symptoms you described doing CEs would increase. That

is why it is so necessary to have those binders in place. I am much less

agitated during CEs now that Lyme is gone and only occasionally if I am bumping

up the metal detox do I have that agitation occur.

Hang in there and I hope this helps.

>

> Peggy and ,

>

> Very strangely, I'm experiencing similar symptoms this morning to what you are

describing. I felt bad before CE as well as after but the " buzz " feeling of

nerve irritation has been more afterward.

>

> I'm wondering if it is partially because we are getting close to the full moon

when lyme is more active?

>

> I'll keep an eye on this, two other factors for me today may be significant.

Without realizing it I missed my last 4 doses of potassium. Also the posts

today on the nuclear stuff have triggered anxiety as I am not far away. A

good day to try the tapping protocol, !

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . This makes sense to me. The symptoms I had after the CE yesterday showed up again today, although in somewhat milder form, while I was coiling for Mycoplasma. I found that coiling for babesia, which I do on alternate days, seemed to demand coiling for Mycoplasma as well--otherwise symptoms were worse. So the agitation may very well be from die-off inundation. But I'm taking everything I can think of to clear toxins, recently added K-Mag KG for ammonia along with the multiple binders.

Based on what you've said, would you then suggest that cutting back on the coiling time might reduce these symptoms since the die-off load would be lower?

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of musicladySent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:29 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

I found that I would experience the agitation you describe when I really got aggressive with coiling. I also actually would experience nerve pain. Since I have learned how to energy test and do NAET treatments on myself. I figured out that when I would clear ammonia, the symptoms would temporarily improve, but they would not last, because my body was constantly inundated with the stuff from die off. It wasn't too bad when I was only doing a couple of minutes of coiling, but when my time reached into the thirties on the coil, I detoxed a lot of neuro-toxins and the symptoms you described doing CEs would increase. That is why it is so necessary to have those binders in place. I am much less agitated during CEs now that Lyme is gone and only occasionally if I am bumping up the metal detox do I have that agitation occur.Hang in there and I hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

I just hung in there and continued to coil. You just need to keep detoxing

aggressively. I took MASSIVE amounts of Ammonia detox products Jernigan

Neuroantitox II, Allergy Research L Ornithine, L Aspartate and a product by

Ecological formulas specifically formulated for Ammonia detox called NH4 Redox

and Yucca. I also took the Ecological Formulas BH4 which is a Yasko treatment

for Excess Ammonia in the Liver. It is more then likely necessary you will need

to do a sulphur detox too if you are detoxing ammonia. I used Sparga by Nutra

Medix. The only herbs that I use are for detoxification.

>

> Thanks, . This makes sense to me. The symptoms I had after the CE

> yesterday showed up again today, although in somewhat milder form, while I

> was coiling for Mycoplasma. I found that coiling for babesia, which I do on

> alternate days, seemed to demand coiling for Mycoplasma as well--otherwise

> symptoms were worse. So the agitation may very well be from die-off

> inundation. But I'm taking everything I can think of to clear toxins,

> recently added K-Mag KG for ammonia along with the multiple binders.

>

> Based on what you've said, would you then suggest that cutting back on the

> coiling time might reduce these symptoms since the die-off load would be

> lower?

>

> Peggy

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of musiclady

> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:29 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

>

>

> I found that I would experience the agitation you describe when I really got

> aggressive with coiling. I also actually would experience nerve pain. Since

> I have learned how to energy test and do NAET treatments on myself. I

> figured out that when I would clear ammonia, the symptoms would temporarily

> improve, but they would not last, because my body was constantly inundated

> with the stuff from die off. It wasn't too bad when I was only doing a

> couple of minutes of coiling, but when my time reached into the thirties on

> the coil, I detoxed a lot of neuro-toxins and the symptoms you described

> doing CEs would increase. That is why it is so necessary to have those

> binders in place. I am much less agitated during CEs now that Lyme is gone

> and only occasionally if I am bumping up the metal detox do I have that

> agitation occur.

> Hang in there and I hope this helps.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, thanks. I'm working on an order right now. I found the Ecological Formulas NH4 Redox at a couple of places, but not the BH4, so where do you get yours? Do you use the L-Aspartate also from Allergy Research, like the L-Ornithine? And is Yucca the same brand or something else?

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of musicladySent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:02 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

I just hung in there and continued to coil. You just need to keep detoxing aggressively. I took MASSIVE amounts of Ammonia detox products Jernigan Neuroantitox II, Allergy Research L Ornithine, L Aspartate and a product by Ecological formulas specifically formulated for Ammonia detox called NH4 Redox and Yucca. I also took the Ecological Formulas BH4 which is a Yasko treatment for Excess Ammonia in the Liver. It is more then likely necessary you will need to do a sulphur detox too if you are detoxing ammonia. I used Sparga by Nutra Medix. The only herbs that I use are for detoxification.

[Guest guest]

Here is a site that sells it.

http://www.nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=3892

You might also check with Shirley who can order your Desseret stuff and see if

she can get it through her Emerson Ecologics catalog for cost. She can get a

lot of Allergy Research and Emerson products.

>

> Okay, thanks. I'm working on an order right now. I found the Ecological

> Formulas NH4 Redox at a couple of places, but not the BH4, so where do you

> get yours? Do you use the L-Aspartate also from Allergy Research, like the

> L-Ornithine? And is Yucca the same brand or something else?

>

> Peggy

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of musiclady

> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:02 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

>

>

>

>

> I just hung in there and continued to coil. You just need to keep detoxing

> aggressively. I took MASSIVE amounts of Ammonia detox products Jernigan

> Neuroantitox II, Allergy Research L Ornithine, L Aspartate and a product by

> Ecological formulas specifically formulated for Ammonia detox called NH4

> Redox and Yucca. I also took the Ecological Formulas BH4 which is a Yasko

> treatment for Excess Ammonia in the Liver. It is more then likely necessary

> you will need to do a sulphur detox too if you are detoxing ammonia. I used

> Sparga by Nutra Medix. The only herbs that I use are for detoxification.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, thanks very much . I'll check with her on this before trying to get it elsewhere.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of musicladySent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 8:34 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

Here is a site that sells it. http://www.nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=3892You might also check with Shirley who can order your Desseret stuff and see if she can get it through her Emerson Ecologics catalog for cost. She can get a lot of Allergy Research and Emerson products.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Peggy.

Nanoteck chitosan is one of the things I take for herxes, and I read that it

specifically absorbs neurotoxins.

Right now I'm having similar nerve stimulation symptoms and like you are

describing, not much touches it. I am taking yucca but I don't have any of the

other things has suggested on hand.

The wind is okay right now but I looked on the forcast it is should be blowing

our way on the weekend.

Sherry

>

> Hi Sherry,

>

> When you say you get relief by using Nanotek Chitosan, can you describe what

> you mean? Are you saying that you have symptoms of being toxic and these

> clear up when you take 4 chitosan? My main symptom is this terrible jittery

> feeling. I'd take anything that would clear it up, but nothing ever does.

> It started yesterday morning right after a CE, and I still had it 12 hours

> later when I went to bed. I'm surprised I was able to get to sleep. It may

> have been caused by toxins as has been suggested, but if so, absolutely

> nothing eliminated them--I took Welchol, bentonite in multiple doses, Burbur

> in multiple doses, chlorella; nothing worked.

>

> To answer your question, yes I always split the CE into two doses, though

> yesterday I didn't do the second one after I had such a bad reaction to the

> first one. And though I can't take charcoal, I did take bentonite shortly

> beforehand. Needless to say, I feel compelled to give up CE's because it

> was just intolerable. I wouldn't want to have to go through another day

> like yesterday.

>

> My other main symptom is weakness--not fatigue, but weakness, where I feel

> as though my knees are about to give way and I'll just tumble to the floor.

> I've read that weakness is a babesia symptom, though it can probably be a

> symptom of all kinds of things, so who knows.

>

> I hope the wind is blowing away from you today. It must be scary being so

> close to Japan.

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of scdlymie

> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:59 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

>

> Hi Peggy,

>

> I've not had jitters from CE though oral caffeine will give me insomnia. As

> long as I don't try to do a CE in the evening I've not had this effect. And

> I've been doing them twice a day lately. So I think the amount of caffeine I

> absorb is pretty low. And I use about double the amount of fluid you are

> using.

>

> Another binder to try might be Nanotek Chitosan which helps clear

> neurotoxins. I get relief if I take about 4 of them.

>

> Also, I agree with about playing around with the timing of the

> binders. Also the amount you take.

>

> If it is the release of toxins that is the issue, you might try adding a

> laxative at the beginning of the CE to try to move toxins out quickly as the

> enema only cleanses part of your colon. Also do you split the CE into two

> doses? If so, my LLMD told me to take the charcoal (binder) at the beginning

> of the CE and at the 15 minute point. The bile is going to enter the

> intestine right below the stomach so its got to go through the small and

> large intestines to be excreted. I'm guessing the bile with toxins is still

> being reabsorbed and causing your symptoms.

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

When doing the CE, be sure to insert only 1 cup or less so that the coffee stays in the sigmoid colon. If it goes higher up, it and the caffeine will be absorbed and digested by the body.

Also, do not use strong force when inserting the coffee. If using an enema bag, do not hang it higher than 3 feet and keep the tubing partially clamped. If using a bulb, squeeze gently but steadily.

The recipe I use is 2 very flat and level Tablespoons of organic coffee to 4 cups of pure water. I simmer for 5 minutes and let cool. If you are still exeriencing jitteryness, try using only 1 level Tablespoon of coffee.

After simmering and straining out the grounds, I usually have a little over 3 cups of liquid. I insert one cup at a time, for 3 sessions. There is usually a little liquid and lots of sludge at the bottom of the container. Do not insert the sludge. It is so fine, it is easy to get it mixed into the liquid you are using. Pour into your enema bag slowly so as not to get the sludge, and if you fill your bulb by squeezing, stay away from the bottom of the liquid.

I am 85-90% well these days and I still have to do the coffee enema, just not as often. It is exceptionally beneficial for getting rid of toxins. I know nothing else as effective and I feel so much better afterwards.

Don't give up. When you are recovered, try it one more time taking lots of time and keeping the pace slow.

Subject: RE: Re: OT: CE problemTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:48 AM

Hi Sherry,

When you say you get relief by using Nanotek Chitosan, can you describe what you mean? Are you saying that you have symptoms of being toxic and these clear up when you take 4 chitosan? My main symptom is this terrible jittery feeling. I'd take anything that would clear it up, but nothing ever does. It started yesterday morning right after a CE, and I still had it 12 hours later when I went to bed. I'm surprised I was able to get to sleep. It may have been caused by toxins as has been suggested, but if so, absolutely nothing eliminated them--I took Welchol, bentonite in multiple doses, Burbur in multiple doses, chlorella; nothing worked.

To answer your question, yes I always split the CE into two doses, though yesterday I didn't do the second one after I had such a bad reaction to the first one. And though I can't take charcoal, I did take bentonite shortly beforehand. Needless to say, I feel compelled to give up CE's because it was just intolerable. I wouldn't want to have to go through another day like yesterday.

My other main symptom is weakness--not fatigue, but weakness, where I feel as though my knees are about to give way and I'll just tumble to the floor. I've read that weakness is a babesia symptom, though it can probably be a symptom of all kinds of things, so who knows.

I hope the wind is blowing away from you today. It must be scary being so close to Japan.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of scdlymieSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:59 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

Hi Peggy,I've not had jitters from CE though oral caffeine will give me insomnia. As long as I don't try to do a CE in the evening I've not had this effect. And I've been doing them twice a day lately. So I think the amount of caffeine I absorb is pretty low. And I use about double the amount of fluid you are using.Another binder to try might be Nanotek Chitosan which helps clear neurotoxins. I get relief if I take about 4 of them.Also, I agree with about playing around with the timing of the binders. Also the amount you take.If it is the release of toxins that is the issue, you might try adding a laxative at the beginning of the CE to try to move toxins out quickly as the enema only cleanses part of your colon. Also do you split the CE into two doses? If so, my LLMD told me to take the charcoal (binder) at the beginning of the CE and at the 15 minute point. The bile is going to enter the intestine right below

the stomach so its got to go through the small and large intestines to be excreted. I'm guessing the bile with toxins is still being reabsorbed and causing your symptoms.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

Everythign was failing for me except the colonic I did up to 3 times a week sometime consecutive days when i was in critical condition now I am at 2 per week. I noticed that

the colon may seem empty , ti is not at all. there is things hiding inside full of toxines even after a colonic. I know it because the day after for the second colonic much was realeased, more eventually and then was coming the improvement, even with adequate bowel movement I got throught taking citrate magnesium accrding to my need. Do you have a very good bowel? Can you afford colonics? If not there is also the colema. Cost 250 $ one time and you use it as much as needed. I take distilled water, the aenema will not go to the ascendant colon at least not for me .

Basically it is a aenema wit a big buket of 15 gallons and you do it horizontally on a solid plastic board between a chair and the toilet . I found it very usefull and easy to use and confortable . I read while I do it ...

With my warmest thought and prayers

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 8:59:18 PMSubject: Re: OT: CE problem

Hi Peggy,I've not had jitters from CE though oral caffeine will give me insomnia. As long as I don't try to do a CE in the evening I've not had this effect. And I've been doing them twice a day lately. So I think the amount of caffeine I absorb is pretty low. And I use about double the amount of fluid you are using.Another binder to try might be Nanotek Chitosan which helps clear neurotoxins. I get relief if I take about 4 of them.Also, I agree with about playing around with the timing of the binders. Also the amount you take.If it is the release of toxins that is the issue, you might try adding a laxative at the beginning of the CE to try to move toxins out quickly as the enema only cleanses part of your colon. Also do you split the CE into two doses? If so, my LLMD told me to take the charcoal (binder) at the beginning of the CE and at the 15 minute point. The bile is going to enter the intestine right below the

stomach so its got to go through the small and large intestines to be excreted. I'm guessing the bile with toxins is still being reabsorbed and causing your symptoms.Sherry>> Thanks, . I have tried both Burbur and Pinella and neither of them did> anything for me, even in high doses. I was taking the binders about half an> hour before--Welchol, bentonite, chlorella. Charcoal badly nauseates me, so> I ruled that out awhile back. And I went through several bottles of zeolite> without any results. I've also started K-Mag KG, so that should be helping> with ammonia. But ever since the CE this morning I've felt like a basket> case. > > I've also considered the

possibility that I've developed an allergy to the> coffee or caffeine. I suppose it's one or the other, toxins or allergy.> Whatever it is, it's been hard for me to get through the day. I can barely> concentrate on anything, feel like my brain has been taken over by aliens.> Hostile ones.> > Peggy> > _____ > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]> On Behalf Of musiclady> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:11 PM> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Subject: Re: OT: CE problem > > Yes, when I was coiling Lyme aggressively, I experienced this. See if either> Burbur or Pinella will knock it out in large doses or try some Ammonia detox> supplements in large doses. What you are experiencing is reactions to the> toxins dumping. I would make sure you have a lot of binders in place a half> hour before the coffee enema, chlorella, clay, zeolite, charcoal or whatever> you have on hand Wellchol or cholestyramine. Any of these will help to> absorb the toxins. Take them a half hour before you do the CE.> Unfortunately, I went through a huge detox period that was hard for me to> tolerate doin CEs, but luckily I am past that. Most of it was Ammonia> related due to killing Lyme off. I just went ahead and toughed it out and>

made sure I had a lot of herx buster herbs on hand. The other possibility is> that you could have developed an allergy to either the coffee or caffeine.> My guess is that it is more likely an Ammonia or metals problem. My metals> have really come down since doing the CEs, but the CEs did often stir up> some unpleasant symptoms occasionally.> > >

[Guest guest]

You may put gluthation iv into your aenema providing you did severla aenema then i twill go into the liver and the cave vein throught your rectum. Gluthation iv being expensive you need to clean you out well firstnot to wast it . i tis close to an iv .

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:36:03 AMSubject: RE: OT: CE problem

Another thought--if I can't sort this out and continue to be bothered by the caffeine, is there anything I can put into an enema other than coffee that would help detoxify the liver?

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:47 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: CE problem

You may be releasing some toxins or heavy metals that are causing this. If that's a possibility, try taking some chlorella tabs an hour or so before the CE, so they will be there to bind them up before they recirculate and affect you. Once in a rare while, I get the jitters, but because it's not a pattern and my routine of CEs is, I look for what other thing might be the cause. Our killing protocols vary, as do the pathogens they kill, and some pathogens have a cosy relationship with heavy metals, that they release when they die. I'm sure other folks will jump in here as well, as some people have struggled with this more than I have. Be well,

Léna

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marie. You are always so kind. I do know about the colema board but don't have one. The CE was doing fine for me till I had a problem with the caffeine this week. I've had colonics, but it was a long time ago and they're too expensive to do with any frequency. Maybe the colema is something to consider. Thanks for reminding me.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Marie BenoitSent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:22 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: OT: CE problem

Hi Peggy,

Everythign was failing for me except the colonic I did up to 3 times a week sometime consecutive days when i was in critical condition now I am at 2 per week. I noticed that

the colon may seem empty , ti is not at all. there is things hiding inside full of toxines even after a colonic. I know it because the day after for the second colonic much was realeased, more eventually and then was coming the improvement, even with adequate bowel movement I got throught taking citrate magnesium accrding to my need. Do you have a very good bowel? Can you afford colonics? If not there is also the colema. Cost 250 $ one time and you use it as much as needed. I take distilled water, the aenema will not go to the ascendant colon at least not for me .

Basically it is a aenema wit a big buket of 15 gallons and you do it horizontally on a solid plastic board between a chair and the toilet . I found it very usefull and easy to use and confortable . I read while I do it ...

With my warmest thought and prayers

Marie