Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is this legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is appreciated. Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is this legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is appreciated. Mazarin, M.S., R.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 What state is this person from? It may be that the state license for dietitians is called Certified Nutritionist (CN). In New York, where I live, the state license for dietitians is CDN (Certified Dietitian-Nutritionist), but the state also allows dietitians with this license to call themselves Certified Nutritionists or Certified Dietitians. I often refer to myself as a " Certified Nutritionist " because it is much easier for the general public to understand, and it is allowed by law in the state of New York since I hold the state license. That said, there are several quacks out there, and there are several others who genuinely want to become nutritionists but are misguided by non-genuine schools, associations, societies, etc.. These people may take a course or two or three (or they may just fill out an application) and believe this qualifies them as nutritionists, because this is what they are told. They probably do not know they are breaching the turf of Registered Dietitians, and I'd be surprised if they even know what a Registered Dietitian even is. I copied the following except from quackwatch.org about questionable nutritionist credentials. As you can see, " Certified Nutritionist " is one of them, but again, it is possible it is just the state certification. " A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders. American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course " distance learning program " and take an examination. Although accredited, it is closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be regarded as trustworthy. Its president, R. ston, does not appear to have a accredited doctoral degree. The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus. The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor judgment. " While on this topic, does anyone know where to report illegal use of these credentials? Does the ADA accept these complaints? Or would you have to report it to your state's Department of Education? I've seen many cases, particularly online, and it makes me livid. Amer, MS, RD, CDN > > Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is this > legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is > appreciated. > > Mazarin, M.S., R.D. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 , Concerning your question about: where to report illegal use of these credentials? Does the ADA accept these complaints? " Here is my thought on this question, especially since I sit on a Board that regulates the practice of RDs in our state (however I am not a lawyer): If the credential is issued by a body having regulatory authority, such as a state licensure or certification board the legal statutes creating that body also confer the authority to regulate practice and practice violations including unauthorized use of the credential, to the point of issuing cease and desist orders, levying fines,etc. This is done in the spirit of protecting the public. If the certificate is issued by an independent organization there is no legal clout for illegal use of the credential unless a state or federal law is broken. I cite a recent example where someone promoting herself as a " nutritionist " in our state ( a degree in Business) was unaware that only RDs can be licensed in our state where licensure is mandatory to practice nutrition. The Board issued her a cease and desist order for this practice. She then promoted herself as a certified diabetes educator for a state agency, the very next day. Since all the professions eligible to become CDEs are licensed in this state, the state agency got this unlicensed person to stop promoting herself as a CDE by threatening to report her to the State Attorney General. That got her attention and she changed her promotion. The American Association of Diabetes Educators did not need to pursue any legal action. As far as reporting inappropriate use of a nutrition credential I would start by contacting the agency that issued the credential. Their legal counsel should be able to advise on the course of action, Pat Bollinger, MS RD LN Member Montana Board of Medical Examiners Amer wrote: > > What state is this person from? It may be that the state license for > dietitians is called Certified Nutritionist (CN). In New York, where > I live, the state license for dietitians is CDN (Certified > Dietitian-Nutritionist), but the state also allows dietitians with > this license to call themselves Certified Nutritionists or Certified > Dietitians. I often refer to myself as a " Certified Nutritionist " > because it is much easier for the general public to understand, and it > is allowed by law in the state of New York since I hold the state license. > > That said, there are several quacks out there, and there are several > others who genuinely want to become nutritionists but are misguided by > non-genuine schools, associations, societies, etc.. These people may > take a course or two or three (or they may just fill out an > application) and believe this qualifies them as nutritionists, because > this is what they are told. They probably do not know they are > breaching the turf of Registered Dietitians, and I'd be surprised if > they even know what a Registered Dietitian even is. > > I copied the following except from quackwatch.org about questionable > nutritionist credentials. As you can see, " Certified Nutritionist " is > one of them, but again, it is possible it is just the state > certification. > > " A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the > Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded > in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might > not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by > the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified > and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization > (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) > include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders. > > American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist > (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course " distance > learning program " and take an examination. Although accredited, it is > closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be > regarded as trustworthy. Its president, R. ston, does not > appear to have a accredited doctoral degree. > > The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified > Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an > open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus. > > The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, > includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified > Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among > its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor > judgment. " > > While on this topic, does anyone know where to report illegal use of > these credentials? Does the ADA accept these complaints? Or would > you have to report it to your state's Department of Education? I've > seen many cases, particularly online, and it makes me livid. > > Amer, MS, RD, CDN > > > > > > Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is > this > > legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is > > appreciated. > > > > Mazarin, M.S., R.D. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I am in NY so she is not NYS certified. I believe she is uncredentialed and now can confirm. Thank you, Mazarin, MS, RD, CNS _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Amer Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:45 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: FW: CN credential What state is this person from? It may be that the state license for dietitians is called Certified Nutritionist (CN). In New York, where I live, the state license for dietitians is CDN (Certified Dietitian-Nutritionist), but the state also allows dietitians with this license to call themselves Certified Nutritionists or Certified Dietitians. I often refer to myself as a " Certified Nutritionist " because it is much easier for the general public to understand, and it is allowed by law in the state of New York since I hold the state license. That said, there are several quacks out there, and there are several others who genuinely want to become nutritionists but are misguided by non-genuine schools, associations, societies, etc.. These people may take a course or two or three (or they may just fill out an application) and believe this qualifies them as nutritionists, because this is what they are told. They probably do not know they are breaching the turf of Registered Dietitians, and I'd be surprised if they even know what a Registered Dietitian even is. I copied the following except from quackwatch.org about questionable nutritionist credentials. As you can see, " Certified Nutritionist " is one of them, but again, it is possible it is just the state certification. " A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders. American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course " distance learning program " and take an examination. Although accredited, it is closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be regarded as trustworthy. Its president, R. ston, does not appear to have a accredited doctoral degree. The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus. The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor judgment. " While on this topic, does anyone know where to report illegal use of these credentials? Does the ADA accept these complaints? Or would you have to report it to your state's Department of Education? I've seen many cases, particularly online, and it makes me livid. Amer, MS, RD, CDN > > Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is this > legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is > appreciated. > > Mazarin, M.S., R.D. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 This really peaked my interest as I was speaking with a friend yesterday whose son is a social worker who worked at an eating disorder hospital program. He is taking a Nutrition course at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. His goal is to be a nutrition counselor. If you look at the website, it is a short (6 month) distance and once a month class program. It is about $9000 and my concern for the people who will be seeing these 'graduates' for nutrition care. Is there anything we/ADA can do about these types of programs. Madalyn Re: FW: CN credential What state is this person from? It may be that the state license for dietitians is called Certified Nutritionist (CN). In New York, where I live, the state license for dietitians is CDN (Certified Dietitian-Nutrition ist), but the state also allows dietitians with this license to call themselves Certified Nutritionists or Certified Dietitians. I often refer to myself as a " Certified Nutritionist " because it is much easier for the general public to understand, and it is allowed by law in the state of New York since I hold the state license. That said, there are several quacks out there, and there are several others who genuinely want to become nutritionists but are misguided by non-genuine schools, associations, societies, etc.. These people may take a course or two or three (or they may just fill out an application) and believe this qualifies them as nutritionists, because this is what they are told. They probably do not know they are breaching the turf of Registered Dietitians, and I'd be surprised if they even know what a Registered Dietitian even is. I copied the following except from quackwatch.org about questionable nutritionist credentials. As you can see, " Certified Nutritionist " is one of them, but again, it is possible it is just the state certification. " A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders. American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course " distance learning program " and take an examination. Although accredited, it is closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be regarded as trustworthy. Its president, R. ston, does not appear to have a accredited doctoral degree. The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus. The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor judgment. " While on this topic, does anyone know where to report illegal use of these credentials? Does the ADA accept these complaints? Or would you have to report it to your state's Department of Education? I've seen many cases, particularly online, and it makes me livid. Amer, MS, RD, CDN > > Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is this > legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is > appreciated. > > Mazarin, M.S., R.D. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 That's probably why she was asking, b/c she didn't want to assume. Re: FW: CN credential In Washington State there are strict requirements for a CN- they have to have a MS degree and specific coursework (visit department of health website for specifics). So it is best not to assume that all nutritionists are not educated in nutrition! Judy D. Simon MS, RD, CD, CHES Clinic Dietitian/Nutritionist University of Washington Medical Center-Roosevelt Campus Campus mail: box 354700 4245 Roosevelt Way NE Seattle, WA 98105-6902 Phone: E-mail: jdsimon@... <mailto:jdsimon%40u.washington.edu> " The above email may contain patient identifiable or confidential information. Because email is not secure, please be aware of associated risks of email transmission. If you are a patient, communicating to a UW Medicine Provider via email implies your agreement to email communication; see http://www.uwmedicine.org/Global/Compliance/EmailRisk.htm. <http://www.uwmedicine.org/Global/Compliance/EmailRisk.htm.> The information is intended for the individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please notify the sender by reply email, and then destroy all copies of the message and any attachments. See our Notice of Privacy Practices at www.uwmedicine.org. " Re: FW: CN credential , Here is a link to an article written by Kathy Shattler MS RD that includes reference to the CN credential: http://redscrubs.com/2008/02/what-is-the-difference-between-dietitian-an d-nutritionist-part-2/ <http://redscrubs.com/2008/02/what-is-the-difference-between-dietitian-a nd-nutritionist-part-2/> Pat Mazarin wrote: > > Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is this > legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is > appreciated. > > Mazarin, M.S., R.D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Remember that in some states a CN is a legitimate credential. In the state of Washington it requires a masters degree and the completion of specific coursework. In my state, a CN gets insurance reimbursement and meets criteria to be a member of ADA! I do not believe they can be medicare providers. There are several private practice CNs in Seattle charging the same rates as RDs. Judy Simon MS,RD,CD,CHES Seattle, WA > This really peaked my interest as I was speaking with a friend yesterday whose son is a social worker who worked at an eating disorder hospital program. He is taking a Nutrition course at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition. His goal is to be a nutrition counselor. > If you look at the website, it is a short (6 month) distance and once a month class program. It is about $9000 and my concern for the people who will be seeing these 'graduates' for nutrition care. > Is there anything we/ADA can do about these types of programs. > Madalyn > > > Re: FW: CN credential > > > What state is this person from? It may be that the state license for > dietitians is called Certified Nutritionist (CN). In New York, where > I live, the state license for dietitians is CDN (Certified > Dietitian-Nutrition ist), but the state also allows dietitians with > this license to call themselves Certified Nutritionists or Certified > Dietitians. I often refer to myself as a " Certified Nutritionist " > because it is much easier for the general public to understand, and it > is allowed by law in the state of New York since I hold the state license. > > That said, there are several quacks out there, and there are several > others who genuinely want to become nutritionists but are misguided by > non-genuine schools, associations, societies, etc.. These people may > take a course or two or three (or they may just fill out an > application) and believe this qualifies them as nutritionists, because > this is what they are told. They probably do not know they are > breaching the turf of Registered Dietitians, and I'd be surprised if > they even know what a Registered Dietitian even is. > > I copied the following except from quackwatch.org about questionable > nutritionist credentials. As you can see, " Certified Nutritionist " is > one of them, but again, it is possible it is just the state > certification. > > " A Certified Clinical Nutritionist (CCN) credential is offered by the > Clinical Nutrition Certification Board (CNCB), an organization founded > in 1991 to provide credentialing to nutrition professionals who might > not be eligible to become registered dietitians or to be certified by > the American Board of Nutrition. Although some members are qualified > and practice appropriately, both CNCB and its sponsoring organization > (the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutrition) > include promoters of highly dubious practices among their leaders. > > American Health Science University offers a Certified Nutritionist > (CN) credential to students who complete its six-course " distance > learning program " and take an examination. Although accredited, it is > closely aligned with the health-food industry and should not be > regarded as trustworthy. Its president, R. ston, does not > appear to have a accredited doctoral degree. > > The American Association of Nutritional Consultants issues a Certified > Nutritional Consultant (CNC) credential to persons who take an > open-book test. The CNC credential should be regarded as bogus. > > The Society of Certified Nutritionists (SCN), established in 1985, > includes Certified Clinical Nutritionists (CCN), Certified > Nutritionists (CN), and Certified Nutrition Consultants (CNC) among > its members. SCN membership should be regarded as a sign of poor > judgment. " > > While on this topic, does anyone know where to report illegal use of > these credentials? Does the ADA accept these complaints? Or would > you have to report it to your state's Department of Education? I've > seen many cases, particularly online, and it makes me livid. > > Amer, MS, RD, CDN > > >> >> Someone is speaking in our school district with a CN credential. Is > this >> legitimate or is this the write away credential? Any information is >> appreciated. >> >> Mazarin, M.S., R.D. >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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