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Neko,

I did - and still do - feel the way you do. My feelings caused me

to go completely no contact with my nada. I just got to the end of

my rope. I could no longer tolerate her childish and abusive

behaviors. And I knew that the only way I could be in her presence

was to act the way I used to act - to just accept her actions, stuff

my feelings, etc. There is absolutely no reasoning with her, and

setting boundaries, when everyone else was just acting like her

behavior was okay, was something that I didn't think would be

successful. I just no longer wanted to put up with it, and at a

very deep level, I knew that being in her presence was killing my

soul.

I hope you know, even if you don't feel it, that you DO NOT owe her

Christmas. That is her working FOG on you to manipulate you. I

hope you also know that you CAN just not go. These are your

decisions to make.

Oh, how nice it must be for your foo. It seems they don't need to

apologize, or be accountable for their actions. They can just wait

until Christmas, and everyone who has been hurt and abused has to

ignore their own feelings and needs and pretend that everything is

okay.

Take care of yourself, Neko. Have the best holiday you can.

Sylvia

>

> Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

> Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play

nice

> family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've

made

> no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my

Grannada's

> house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole ordeal

and

> throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather

bought

> my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in the

> store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

> everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically

brought

> hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the

last

> present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts

screaming

> and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day,

my

> grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest of

us.

> But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in

the

> past.

>

> This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my

grannada

> has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

> always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to

hold

> my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

> quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play

the

> completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But

my

> cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

> Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

> another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations), I'm going to

find

> it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say

something.

> That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like all

the

> ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

> neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

> stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas, since

I

> did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and a

> hard place.

>

> Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

>

> Neko Jaimie

>

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Neko,

Do you remember the term " FOG " and what does the O stand for? OBLIGATION. You

even wrote it in your email: " I owe her... " b/c of Thanksgiving. You don't owe

her shit, Neko. The true rock and the hard place is are you going to take care

of yourself = Little Neko who absolutely is counting on you to stand up for her

or she won't trust you for a long, long time, or ignore her needs and go into

the lions' den with your eyes OPEN. Life is hard sometimes, but it doesn't have

to be miserable. That's a choice.

Merry Christmas.

Greg.

Christmas Fears

Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play nice

family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've made

no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my Grannada's

house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole ordeal and

throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather bought

my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in the

store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically brought

hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the last

present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts screaming

and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day, my

grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest of us.

But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in the

past.

This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my grannada

has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to hold

my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play the

completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But my

cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations) , I'm going to find

it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say something.

That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like all the

ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas, since I

did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and a

hard place.

Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

Neko Jaimie

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What in the Sam Hill is FOO, FOG, and NADA?

smhtrain2 wrote: Neko,

I did - and still do - feel the way you do. My feelings caused me

to go completely no contact with my nada. I just got to the end of

my rope. I could no longer tolerate her childish and abusive

behaviors. And I knew that the only way I could be in her presence

was to act the way I used to act - to just accept her actions, stuff

my feelings, etc. There is absolutely no reasoning with her, and

setting boundaries, when everyone else was just acting like her

behavior was okay, was something that I didn't think would be

successful. I just no longer wanted to put up with it, and at a

very deep level, I knew that being in her presence was killing my

soul.

I hope you know, even if you don't feel it, that you DO NOT owe her

Christmas. That is her working FOG on you to manipulate you. I

hope you also know that you CAN just not go. These are your

decisions to make.

Oh, how nice it must be for your foo. It seems they don't need to

apologize, or be accountable for their actions. They can just wait

until Christmas, and everyone who has been hurt and abused has to

ignore their own feelings and needs and pretend that everything is

okay.

Take care of yourself, Neko. Have the best holiday you can.

Sylvia

>

> Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

> Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play

nice

> family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've

made

> no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my

Grannada's

> house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole ordeal

and

> throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather

bought

> my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in the

> store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

> everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically

brought

> hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the

last

> present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts

screaming

> and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day,

my

> grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest of

us.

> But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in

the

> past.

>

> This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my

grannada

> has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

> always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to

hold

> my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

> quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play

the

> completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But

my

> cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

> Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

> another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations), I'm going to

find

> it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say

something.

> That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like all

the

> ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

> neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

> stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas, since

I

> did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and a

> hard place.

>

> Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

>

> Neko Jaimie

>

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Files,

Photos), look under Files>WTOAdultChildren1 List Abbreviations. All the

abbreviations are

there.

> >

> > Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

> > Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play

> nice

> > family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've

> made

> > no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my

> Grannada's

> > house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole ordeal

> and

> > throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather

> bought

> > my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in the

> > store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

> > everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically

> brought

> > hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the

> last

> > present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts

> screaming

> > and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day,

> my

> > grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest of

> us.

> > But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in

> the

> > past.

> >

> > This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my

> grannada

> > has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

> > always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to

> hold

> > my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

> > quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play

> the

> > completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But

> my

> > cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

> > Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

> > another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations), I'm going to

> find

> > it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say

> something.

> > That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like all

> the

> > ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

> > neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

> > stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas, since

> I

> > did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and a

> > hard place.

> >

> > Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

> >

> > Neko Jaimie

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Here is a list of abbreviations:

Dh is Dear/Devoted Husband

DS is Dear Son

DD is Dear Daughter

ETC is my Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe Sports Edition ;o)

Section 8 of the WTO Guidelines: ABBREVIATIONS

Over the years the WTO groups have accumulated a list of abbreviations and their

own vernacular. Words commonly used include the following. These are from the

Guidelines which are posted to all the WelcomeToOz lists at the beginning of

each month.

BP: person in your life who has BPD or whom YOU THINK has BPD traits.

BPD: Borderline Personality Disorder.

BPSO: BP Significant Other. XBPSO=Ex BPSO (this has many variations).

DBT: Dialectic Behavioral Therapy, a cognitive-behavioral therapy

that has been successful in the treatment of BPD. Also see 'Therapies'

at www.BPDCentral.com website.

DEAR: Communication technique used to set limits and ask for things.

See at www.BPDCentral.com (press 'Library').

Defense Mechanisms: projection, denial, splitting, and rationalization.

Distortion campaign: a deliberate attempt by someone to smear your

name because they have split you as all bad. They feel justified and

may tell lies or truly believe their distortions. May or may not

involve the law.

DSM-IV: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, edition 4, published by the

American Psychiatric Association. Used for diagnostic and insurance

purposes.

Fada: Used by some of the NonBP adult children of BPDs on the Oasis

lists to refer to their BP father who was not-a-father in the true

sense of the word.

Fleas: Unhealthy behavioral reactions learned while living with a BP.

FOG: Fear, Obligation and Guilt, which make you susceptible to

emotional blackmail.

FOO: Family Of Origin (includes one's original mother, father, and

other children).

HF: High functioning.

Hoovered: after the vacuum cleaner, to be sucked back into the

relationship for another ride on the BPD rollercoaster.

Intermittent reinforcement: when good outcomes happen on an

unpredictable schedule, thereby reinforcing (ie, rewarding) behavior.

Examples: when the BP sometimes acts 'normal', when you sometimes

don't observe limits (this is rewarding to the BP).

KO: Kid Of [a BP].

L & L: The booklet titled " Love and Loathing " .

Lasagna therapy: A type of therapy whereby lasagna is dumped over the

head of a BP who constantly criticizes the way one eats--so much so

one won't eat with the family anymore. Salad dumping in the lap is an

adjunct part of this therapy. Currently under double-blind test trials

at several prestigious universities. <wink>

LF: Low functioning.

Light Bulb Effect: the realization that you're not crazy and BPD may

explain the other person's behavior.

LOL: Laughing Out Loud.

Mirroring: Not absorbing the BP's projections and reflecting them back

to the BP.

Nada: Used by some of the NonBP adult offspring of BPDs on the 'Oasis'

lists to refer to their BP mother who was not-a-mother in the true

sense of the word.

NPD: Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

NonBP: Person who is affected by someone else's BPD -- eg, you and

your family.

OCD: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Oz: the " Twilight Zone " feeling of not knowing what is real because of

the BP's distortions.

PAS: Parental Alienation Syndrome: When a parent deliberately and

repeatedly makes the other parent the " bad guy " and the child believes

the accusations (such as " Daddy doesn't love you. " ) A form of child

abuse.

Projection: When a person denies certain feelings by attributing them

to someone else.

PUVAS and DEAR: Communication techniques you can download at the

www.BPDCentral.com library. DEAR is about setting personal limits and

PUVAS is about ONE of the communication techniques you can use to

communicate with BPs. Other techniques in SWOE are defusing and

walking away.

Rationalization: Good-sounding reasons but not necessarily truthful.

ROFL: Rolling on the floor laughing.

SO: Significant Other.

Splitting: Black and white thinking, practiced by both Nons and BPs.

Sponging: Absorbing the BP's projections and bad feelings. (See

" mirroring " )

STB-ex: Soon-to-be ex [husband, wife, or SO]

SWOE: The book " Stop Walking on Eggshells. "

SWOEW: The workbook to SWOE.

Trigger: not a horse, but something that takes a person back to an

earlier trauma. They respond to the current situation and also relive

the past one. For example, a BP's criticism about your clothes

triggers you because your father did the same thing.

UBM: Book titled " Understanding The Borderline Mother " by Ann

Lawson.

Re: Re: Christmas Fears

What in the Sam Hill is FOO, FOG, and NADA?

smhtrain2 <smhtrain2yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Neko,

I did - and still do - feel the way you do. My feelings caused me

to go completely no contact with my nada. I just got to the end of

my rope. I could no longer tolerate her childish and abusive

behaviors. And I knew that the only way I could be in her presence

was to act the way I used to act - to just accept her actions, stuff

my feelings, etc. There is absolutely no reasoning with her, and

setting boundaries, when everyone else was just acting like her

behavior was okay, was something that I didn't think would be

successful. I just no longer wanted to put up with it, and at a

very deep level, I knew that being in her presence was killing my

soul.

I hope you know, even if you don't feel it, that you DO NOT owe her

Christmas. That is her working FOG on you to manipulate you. I

hope you also know that you CAN just not go. These are your

decisions to make.

Oh, how nice it must be for your foo. It seems they don't need to

apologize, or be accountable for their actions. They can just wait

until Christmas, and everyone who has been hurt and abused has to

ignore their own feelings and needs and pretend that everything is

okay.

Take care of yourself, Neko. Have the best holiday you can.

Sylvia

>

> Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

> Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play

nice

> family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've

made

> no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my

Grannada's

> house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole ordeal

and

> throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather

bought

> my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in the

> store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

> everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically

brought

> hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the

last

> present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts

screaming

> and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day,

my

> grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest of

us.

> But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in

the

> past.

>

> This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my

grannada

> has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

> always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to

hold

> my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

> quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play

the

> completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But

my

> cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

> Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

> another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations) , I'm going to

find

> it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say

something.

> That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like all

the

> ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

> neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

> stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas, since

I

> did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and a

> hard place.

>

> Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

>

> Neko Jaimie

>

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Oh heavens, this is like learning a whole new language. Think I'll just stick

to regular English.

G wrote: Here is a list of abbreviations:

Dh is Dear/Devoted Husband

DS is Dear Son

DD is Dear Daughter

ETC is my Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe Sports Edition ;o)

Section 8 of the WTO Guidelines: ABBREVIATIONS

Over the years the WTO groups have accumulated a list of abbreviations and their

own vernacular. Words commonly used include the following. These are from the

Guidelines which are posted to all the WelcomeToOz lists at the beginning of

each month.

BP: person in your life who has BPD or whom YOU THINK has BPD traits.

BPD: Borderline Personality Disorder.

BPSO: BP Significant Other. XBPSO=Ex BPSO (this has many variations).

DBT: Dialectic Behavioral Therapy, a cognitive-behavioral therapy

that has been successful in the treatment of BPD. Also see 'Therapies'

at www.BPDCentral.com website.

DEAR: Communication technique used to set limits and ask for things.

See at www.BPDCentral.com (press 'Library').

Defense Mechanisms: projection, denial, splitting, and rationalization.

Distortion campaign: a deliberate attempt by someone to smear your

name because they have split you as all bad. They feel justified and

may tell lies or truly believe their distortions. May or may not

involve the law.

DSM-IV: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, edition 4, published by the

American Psychiatric Association. Used for diagnostic and insurance

purposes.

Fada: Used by some of the NonBP adult children of BPDs on the Oasis

lists to refer to their BP father who was not-a-father in the true

sense of the word.

Fleas: Unhealthy behavioral reactions learned while living with a BP.

FOG: Fear, Obligation and Guilt, which make you susceptible to

emotional blackmail.

FOO: Family Of Origin (includes one's original mother, father, and

other children).

HF: High functioning.

Hoovered: after the vacuum cleaner, to be sucked back into the

relationship for another ride on the BPD rollercoaster.

Intermittent reinforcement: when good outcomes happen on an

unpredictable schedule, thereby reinforcing (ie, rewarding) behavior.

Examples: when the BP sometimes acts 'normal', when you sometimes

don't observe limits (this is rewarding to the BP).

KO: Kid Of [a BP].

L & L: The booklet titled " Love and Loathing " .

Lasagna therapy: A type of therapy whereby lasagna is dumped over the

head of a BP who constantly criticizes the way one eats--so much so

one won't eat with the family anymore. Salad dumping in the lap is an

adjunct part of this therapy. Currently under double-blind test trials

at several prestigious universities.

LF: Low functioning.

Light Bulb Effect: the realization that you're not crazy and BPD may

explain the other person's behavior.

LOL: Laughing Out Loud.

Mirroring: Not absorbing the BP's projections and reflecting them back

to the BP.

Nada: Used by some of the NonBP adult offspring of BPDs on the 'Oasis'

lists to refer to their BP mother who was not-a-mother in the true

sense of the word.

NPD: Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

NonBP: Person who is affected by someone else's BPD -- eg, you and

your family.

OCD: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Oz: the " Twilight Zone " feeling of not knowing what is real because of

the BP's distortions.

PAS: Parental Alienation Syndrome: When a parent deliberately and

repeatedly makes the other parent the " bad guy " and the child believes

the accusations (such as " Daddy doesn't love you. " ) A form of child

abuse.

Projection: When a person denies certain feelings by attributing them

to someone else.

PUVAS and DEAR: Communication techniques you can download at the

www.BPDCentral.com library. DEAR is about setting personal limits and

PUVAS is about ONE of the communication techniques you can use to

communicate with BPs. Other techniques in SWOE are defusing and

walking away.

Rationalization: Good-sounding reasons but not necessarily truthful.

ROFL: Rolling on the floor laughing.

SO: Significant Other.

Splitting: Black and white thinking, practiced by both Nons and BPs.

Sponging: Absorbing the BP's projections and bad feelings. (See

" mirroring " )

STB-ex: Soon-to-be ex [husband, wife, or SO]

SWOE: The book " Stop Walking on Eggshells. "

SWOEW: The workbook to SWOE.

Trigger: not a horse, but something that takes a person back to an

earlier trauma. They respond to the current situation and also relive

the past one. For example, a BP's criticism about your clothes

triggers you because your father did the same thing.

UBM: Book titled " Understanding The Borderline Mother " by Ann

Lawson.

Re: Re: Christmas Fears

What in the Sam Hill is FOO, FOG, and NADA?

smhtrain2 wrote: Neko,

I did - and still do - feel the way you do. My feelings caused me

to go completely no contact with my nada. I just got to the end of

my rope. I could no longer tolerate her childish and abusive

behaviors. And I knew that the only way I could be in her presence

was to act the way I used to act - to just accept her actions, stuff

my feelings, etc. There is absolutely no reasoning with her, and

setting boundaries, when everyone else was just acting like her

behavior was okay, was something that I didn't think would be

successful. I just no longer wanted to put up with it, and at a

very deep level, I knew that being in her presence was killing my

soul.

I hope you know, even if you don't feel it, that you DO NOT owe her

Christmas. That is her working FOG on you to manipulate you. I

hope you also know that you CAN just not go. These are your

decisions to make.

Oh, how nice it must be for your foo. It seems they don't need to

apologize, or be accountable for their actions. They can just wait

until Christmas, and everyone who has been hurt and abused has to

ignore their own feelings and needs and pretend that everything is

okay.

Take care of yourself, Neko. Have the best holiday you can.

Sylvia

>

> Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

> Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play

nice

> family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've

made

> no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my

Grannada's

> house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole ordeal

and

> throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather

bought

> my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in the

> store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

> everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically

brought

> hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the

last

> present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts

screaming

> and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day,

my

> grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest of

us.

> But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in

the

> past.

>

> This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my

grannada

> has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

> always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to

hold

> my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

> quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play

the

> completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But

my

> cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

> Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

> another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations) , I'm going to

find

> it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say

something.

> That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like all

the

> ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

> neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

> stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas, since

I

> did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and a

> hard place.

>

> Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

>

> Neko Jaimie

>

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listing of the terms and abbreviations that we use. If you no

longer have it, you can go to the home page at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/WTOAdultChildren1/, and in the

table of contents on the left, click on " files " . You will find the

document there. Check it out - I particularly like 'lasagna'

therapy for the upcoming 'family' holiday gatherings.

FOO = Family of Origin

FOG = Fear Obligation Guilt (a technique used to manipulate someone)

nada = our term for our BPD mother, meaning 'not a mother', because

she could not/would not/did not love, care for, and nurture us as a

mother should do.

Sylvia

>

> What in the Sam Hill is FOO, FOG, and NADA?

>

>....

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These terms will be more familar to you after awhile. Some are

common to internet communications (DH, LOL), others are common

mental health abbreviations (BPD, NPD, OCD). They are helpful in

communication within the group. But if you don't want to use them,

you certainly don't have to.

Sylvia

> >

> > Hi all. I'm having a paranoid moment right now. See, in my FOO,

> > Christmas is supposed to be a time where we all forgive and play

> nice

> > family. But I don't like Christmas, and so far this year, I've

> made

> > no bones about it. The truth is, I dislike CHristmas at my

> Grannada's

> > house, because ever year, she finds some flaw in the whole

ordeal

> and

> > throws a temper tantrum. I remember one year, my grandfather

> bought

> > my grannada this arm chair, the EXACT one she'd picked out in

the

> > store. He was appealing to her sense of theatrics, and letting

> > everybody else open up their presents before he dramatically

> brought

> > hers in so everybody would be paying attention to her. So, the

> last

> > present under the tree got opened, and my grannada starts

> screaming

> > and crying because she didn't get ANY presents. Needless to day,

> my

> > grandfather was crushed, and Christmas was ruined for the rest

of

> us.

> > But none of that mattered, because she was upset. But that's in

> the

> > past.

> >

> > This year, since the Christmas specials started airing, my

> grannada

> > has taken to asking me how I can be such a cynic, since they've

> > always made sure I had a good Christmas? So far, I've managed to

> hold

> > my toungue, and not tell her all about how good is measured in

> > quality, not quantity. In past years, I've done my best to play

> the

> > completely self involved grandchild and ignore her exploits. But

> my

> > cousins are going to be ther this year. She'll be messing up

> > Christmas for them, not just for me. Assuming she has

> > another " episode " (90% chance, by my calculations) , I'm going

to

> find

> > it very hard to not open my big, sarcastic mouth and say

> something.

> > That, and I really don't want to spend another Christmas like

all

> the

> > ones gone past. I've done pretty well raising little Neko, and

> > neither she nor I am at a stage where we can handle that kind of

> > stress. And I can't just not go. Cuz I " owe " her Christmas,

since

> I

> > did my own Thanksgiving (more hassle than it's worth). Rock and

a

> > hard place.

> >

> > Thanks for reading my vent. I appreciate it.

> >

> > Neko Jaimie

> >

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

>

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