Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 I added OT to this topic! Hi Jack! I am an extremist, warning!! I respect your views on this and understand those thoughts, "eradication", but I dont believe vaccines eradicated these dieases at all!! I have been down the discussion road hundreds of times and already know what to expect from most pro vaccer's so Ill try to make this simple without upsetting or offending anyone. Also I can pretty much predict your response to this and that is ok!!Ill just put a couple of my view points without dragging this out! 1) polio was never eradicated, still around, name was just changed(aspetic meningitis). Polio had already peaked as most diseases do and then spirals down to decline in nature. Vaccine for polio came out at the bottom of the decline and took credit for the decline and made LOT's of $$$$!! Where do you think aids came from? Research green monkey virus(monkeys was the host for polio vacs)2) majority of outbreaks in our country are with already vaccinated people(they dont work), but does make LOT's of $$$ and even more go out and rush to get those vacs from the disease that is outbroke(measles is good example). No, boosters are a joke, just more $$ in the scare tactics!3) Vaccines target the intestinal tract and affects the brain/gi neuro link. Our country has an epedemic gi/neuro crisis and this is a big cause. The gi is over 80% of the humans immune system! Many of our children/adults in this group are here to begin with due to vaccines affecting the intestinal tract and they dont even realize that(many other factors there also, but vacs a big one)4)If vaccines are so great, where are the ones for actual deadly diseases like aids, hep C, etc etc not just the ones our bodies can recover from on own!! Because they dont work so what good would the deadly disease vacs be(cant have that proof). O they have tested aids vaccine and the deep dark secret on that one is...AID's vulnerable now!! They just couldnt make it descrete enough yet to actually use the vaccine world wide!5) The dark side I mentioned earlier....all ill say is, each vac destroys small parts of the immune each time!I could go on and on but wont! I know how this topic can get, very heated, politics and religion dont compare but are related to the vaccine realm anyhow!! And yes I already know how many feel/think about my extreme views and dont care anymore. It is more important to get the info out there and even if 1 in a million gets it, then that is a blessing! Jennie<>< From: Tracie Happel <ctaj10centurylink (DOT) net>Subject: adult vaccinesTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:50 AM Here we go!!!!....http://video. foxnews.com/ v/4198424/ adult-vaccinatio ns No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Jennie, I'll respect your views as well. But I would like to continue the discussion, without any increased temperatures.... May I ask you, with all due respect, how you can say they haven't eradicated diseases? Hasn't smallpox been eradicated to the point where it only exists in laboratories? As to Polio: You've obviously read far more than I have on the topic, so I'm unqualified to support any position regarding Polio. I honestly thought that it was cured in the US. What I do know (or believe) is that I am almost 40 years old and enjoy living in the US, where I don't have to even consider the possibility of contracting Measles, Mumps, Polio, or a slew of other diseases that still threaten other cultures. As to Hep C and AIDS, I honestly don't worry myself with them. I use good judgement and teach my children to do the same. You're not going to contract those from a dirty toilet seat. Exposure to those requires some use of poor judgement. Sure there are exceptions, but 99.x% of cases are due to some lack of good judgement. What I read of the AIDS vaccine trials were that when the data was reviewed, protection could just as easily been attributed to chance. Maybe these GI/Neuro problems have always exisited and gone undetected in the past? I just can't get past the fact that if I were born in 1810, it would be even odds whether I lived to see 1850. I just don't see that one of the best educated professions in the world being the most easily fooled, or malovolent groups. Not when the goal of most people going into medicine is to help their fellow man. I don't see my nephew studying all these years to become a doctor so that he can just "make money." He wants to help find better treatments or a cure for a condition his brother and cousin suffers from. Many medical professionals have similiar motivations. My two cents... Which should be valued the same as anyone else's From: miralax [mailto:miralax ] On Behalf Of JennieSent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:43 AMTo: miralax Subject: RE: OT/adult vaccines I added OT to this topic! Hi Jack! I am an extremist, warning!! I respect your views on this and understand those thoughts, "eradication", but I dont believe vaccines eradicated these dieases at all!! I have been down the discussion road hundreds of times and already know what to expect from most pro vaccer's so Ill try to make this simple without upsetting or offending anyone. Also I can pretty much predict your response to this and that is ok!!Ill just put a couple of my view points without dragging this out! 1) polio was never eradicated, still around, name was just changed(aspetic meningitis). Polio had already peaked as most diseases do and then spirals down to decline in nature. Vaccine for polio came out at the bottom of the decline and took credit for the decline and made LOT's of $$$$!! Where do you think aids came from? Research green monkey virus(monkeys was the host for polio vacs)2) majority of outbreaks in our country are with already vaccinated people(they dont work), but does make LOT's of $$$ and even more go out and rush to get those vacs from the disease that is outbroke(measles is good example). No, boosters are a joke, just more $$ in the scare tactics!3) Vaccines target the intestinal tract and affects the brain/gi neuro link. Our country has an epedemic gi/neuro crisis and this is a big cause. The gi is over 80% of the humans immune system! Many of our children/adults in this group are here to begin with due to vaccines affecting the intestinal tract and they dont even realize that(many other factors there also, but vacs a big one)4)If vaccines are so great, where are the ones for actual deadly diseases like aids, hep C, etc etc not just the ones our bodies can recover from on own!! Because they dont work so what good would the deadly disease vacs be(cant have that proof). O they have tested aids vaccine and the deep dark secret on that one is...AID's vulnerable now!! They just couldnt make it descrete enough yet to actually use the vaccine world wide!5) The dark side I mentioned earlier....all ill say is, each vac destroys small parts of the immune each time!I could go on and on but wont! I know how this topic can get, very heated, politics and religion dont compare but are related to the vaccine realm anyhow!! And yes I already know how many feel/think about my extreme views and dont care anymore. It is more important to get the info out there and even if 1 in a million gets it, then that is a blessing! Jennie<>< From: Tracie Happel <ctaj10centurylink (DOT) net>Subject: adult vaccinesTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:50 AM Here we go!!!!....http://video. foxnews.com/ v/4198424/ adult-vaccinatio ns No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 "a slew of other diseases that still threaten other cultures" Unsatitary conditions and malnutrition plays into alot of other cultures having these problems that we do not. PWC To: miralax Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 1:06:13 PMSubject: RE: OT/adult vaccines Jennie, I'll respect your views as well. But I would like to continue the discussion, without any increased temperatures. ... May I ask you, with all due respect, how you can say they haven't eradicated diseases? Hasn't smallpox been eradicated to the point where it only exists in laboratories? As to Polio: You've obviously read far more than I have on the topic, so I'm unqualified to support any position regarding Polio. I honestly thought that it was cured in the US. What I do know (or believe) is that I am almost 40 years old and enjoy living in the US, where I don't have to even consider the possibility of contracting Measles, Mumps, Polio, or a slew of other diseases that still threaten other cultures. As to Hep C and AIDS, I honestly don't worry myself with them. I use good judgement and teach my children to do the same. You're not going to contract those from a dirty toilet seat. Exposure to those requires some use of poor judgement. Sure there are exceptions, but 99.x% of cases are due to some lack of good judgement. What I read of the AIDS vaccine trials were that when the data was reviewed, protection could just as easily been attributed to chance. Maybe these GI/Neuro problems have always exisited and gone undetected in the past? I just can't get past the fact that if I were born in 1810, it would be even odds whether I lived to see 1850. I just don't see that one of the best educated professions in the world being the most easily fooled, or malovolent groups. Not when the goal of most people going into medicine is to help their fellow man. I don't see my nephew studying all these years to become a doctor so that he can just "make money." He wants to help find better treatments or a cure for a condition his brother and cousin suffers from. Many medical professionals have similiar motivations. My two cents... Which should be valued the same as anyone else's From: miralax@yahoogroups .com [mailto:miralax@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of JennieSent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:43 AMTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comSubject: RE: OT/adult vaccines I added OT to this topic! Hi Jack! I am an extremist, warning!! I respect your views on this and understand those thoughts, "eradication" , but I dont believe vaccines eradicated these dieases at all!! I have been down the discussion road hundreds of times and already know what to expect from most pro vaccer's so Ill try to make this simple without upsetting or offending anyone. Also I can pretty much predict your response to this and that is ok!!Ill just put a couple of my view points without dragging this out! 1) polio was never eradicated, still around, name was just changed(aspetic meningitis). Polio had already peaked as most diseases do and then spirals down to decline in nature. Vaccine for polio came out at the bottom of the decline and took credit for the decline and made LOT's of $$$$!! Where do you think aids came from? Research green monkey virus(monkeys was the host for polio vacs)2) majority of outbreaks in our country are with already vaccinated people(they dont work), but does make LOT's of $$$ and even more go out and rush to get those vacs from the disease that is outbroke(measles is good example). No, boosters are a joke, just more $$ in the scare tactics!3) Vaccines target the intestinal tract and affects the brain/gi neuro link. Our country has an epedemic gi/neuro crisis and this is a big cause. The gi is over 80% of the humans immune system! Many of our children/adults in this group are here to begin with due to vaccines affecting the intestinal tract and they dont even realize that(many other factors there also, but vacs a big one)4)If vaccines are so great, where are the ones for actual deadly diseases like aids, hep C, etc etc not just the ones our bodies can recover from on own!! Because they dont work so what good would the deadly disease vacs be(cant have that proof). O they have tested aids vaccine and the deep dark secret on that one is...AID's vulnerable now!! They just couldnt make it descrete enough yet to actually use the vaccine world wide!5) The dark side I mentioned earlier....all ill say is, each vac destroys small parts of the immune each time!I could go on and on but wont! I know how this topic can get, very heated, politics and religion dont compare but are related to the vaccine realm anyhow!! And yes I already know how many feel/think about my extreme views and dont care anymore. It is more important to get the info out there and even if 1 in a million gets it, then that is a blessing! Jennie<>< From: Tracie Happel <ctaj10centurylink (DOT) net>Subject: adult vaccinesTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:50 AM Here we go!!!!....http://video. foxnews.com/ v/4198424/ adult-vaccinatio ns No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Very True From: miralax [mailto:miralax ] On Behalf Of Concerned ParentSent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:23 PMTo: miralax Subject: Re: OT/adult vaccines "a slew of other diseases that still threaten other cultures" Unsatitary conditions and malnutrition plays into alot of other cultures having these problems that we do not. PWC From: Jack Gershon <jackgershon (DOT) cc>To: miralax Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 1:06:13 PMSubject: RE: OT/adult vaccines Jennie, I'll respect your views as well. But I would like to continue the discussion, without any increased temperatures. ... May I ask you, with all due respect, how you can say they haven't eradicated diseases? Hasn't smallpox been eradicated to the point where it only exists in laboratories? As to Polio: You've obviously read far more than I have on the topic, so I'm unqualified to support any position regarding Polio. I honestly thought that it was cured in the US. What I do know (or believe) is that I am almost 40 years old and enjoy living in the US, where I don't have to even consider the possibility of contracting Measles, Mumps, Polio, or a slew of other diseases that still threaten other cultures. As to Hep C and AIDS, I honestly don't worry myself with them. I use good judgement and teach my children to do the same. You're not going to contract those from a dirty toilet seat. Exposure to those requires some use of poor judgement. Sure there are exceptions, but 99.x% of cases are due to some lack of good judgement. What I read of the AIDS vaccine trials were that when the data was reviewed, protection could just as easily been attributed to chance. Maybe these GI/Neuro problems have always exisited and gone undetected in the past? I just can't get past the fact that if I were born in 1810, it would be even odds whether I lived to see 1850. I just don't see that one of the best educated professions in the world being the most easily fooled, or malovolent groups. Not when the goal of most people going into medicine is to help their fellow man. I don't see my nephew studying all these years to become a doctor so that he can just "make money." He wants to help find better treatments or a cure for a condition his brother and cousin suffers from. Many medical professionals have similiar motivations. My two cents... Which should be valued the same as anyone else's From: miralax@yahoogroups .com [mailto:miralax@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of JennieSent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:43 AMTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comSubject: RE: OT/adult vaccines I added OT to this topic! Hi Jack! I am an extremist, warning!! I respect your views on this and understand those thoughts, "eradication" , but I dont believe vaccines eradicated these dieases at all!! I have been down the discussion road hundreds of times and already know what to expect from most pro vaccer's so Ill try to make this simple without upsetting or offending anyone. Also I can pretty much predict your response to this and that is ok!!Ill just put a couple of my view points without dragging this out! 1) polio was never eradicated, still around, name was just changed(aspetic meningitis). Polio had already peaked as most diseases do and then spirals down to decline in nature. Vaccine for polio came out at the bottom of the decline and took credit for the decline and made LOT's of $$$$!! Where do you think aids came from? Research green monkey virus(monkeys was the host for polio vacs)2) majority of outbreaks in our country are with already vaccinated people(they dont work), but does make LOT's of $$$ and even more go out and rush to get those vacs from the disease that is outbroke(measles is good example). No, boosters are a joke, just more $$ in the scare tactics!3) Vaccines target the intestinal tract and affects the brain/gi neuro link. Our country has an epedemic gi/neuro crisis and this is a big cause. The gi is over 80% of the humans immune system! Many of our children/adults in this group are here to begin with due to vaccines affecting the intestinal tract and they dont even realize that(many other factors there also, but vacs a big one)4)If vaccines are so great, where are the ones for actual deadly diseases like aids, hep C, etc etc not just the ones our bodies can recover from on own!! Because they dont work so what good would the deadly disease vacs be(cant have that proof). O they have tested aids vaccine and the deep dark secret on that one is...AID's vulnerable now!! They just couldnt make it descrete enough yet to actually use the vaccine world wide!5) The dark side I mentioned earlier....all ill say is, each vac destroys small parts of the immune each time!I could go on and on but wont! I know how this topic can get, very heated, politics and religion dont compare but are related to the vaccine realm anyhow!! And yes I already know how many feel/think about my extreme views and dont care anymore. It is more important to get the info out there and even if 1 in a million gets it, then that is a blessing! Jennie<>< From: Tracie Happel <ctaj10centurylink (DOT) net>Subject: adult vaccinesTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:50 AM Here we go!!!!....http://video. foxnews.com/ v/4198424/ adult-vaccinatio ns No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Hi Jack! yes I would like to continue the discussion and Ill try to keep my temperature down. I am so busy today with son's medical and online store etc(got catchup to do) that I cant spend long moments here but well be back and forth. For starters as far as the small pox, here is an article you may find interesting. Also as most of us have learned when it comes to pharma etc. it really just comes down to which side you believe(personal believe choices) and I have no doubts with mine and respect and understand anyone who disagree's and I truely mean that!http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sinclair.html--- From: Jack Gershon Subject: RE: OT/adult vaccinesTo: miralax Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 10:06 AM Jennie, I'll respect your views as well. But I would like to continue the discussion, without any increased temperatures. ... May I ask you, with all due respect, how you can say they haven't eradicated diseases? Hasn't smallpox been eradicated to the point where it only exists in laboratories? As to Polio: You've obviously read far more than I have on the topic, so I'm unqualified to support any position regarding Polio. I honestly thought that it was cured in the US. What I do know (or believe) is that I am almost 40 years old and enjoy living in the US, where I don't have to even consider the possibility of contracting Measles, Mumps, Polio, or a slew of other diseases that still threaten other cultures. As to Hep C and AIDS, I honestly don't worry myself with them. I use good judgement and teach my children to do the same. You're not going to contract those from a dirty toilet seat. Exposure to those requires some use of poor judgement. Sure there are exceptions, but 99.x% of cases are due to some lack of good judgement. What I read of the AIDS vaccine trials were that when the data was reviewed, protection could just as easily been attributed to chance. Maybe these GI/Neuro problems have always exisited and gone undetected in the past? I just can't get past the fact that if I were born in 1810, it would be even odds whether I lived to see 1850. I just don't see that one of the best educated professions in the world being the most easily fooled, or malovolent groups. Not when the goal of most people going into medicine is to help their fellow man. I don't see my nephew studying all these years to become a doctor so that he can just "make money." He wants to help find better treatments or a cure for a condition his brother and cousin suffers from. Many medical professionals have similiar motivations. My two cents... Which should be valued the same as anyone else's From: miralax@yahoogroups .com [mailto:miralax@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of JennieSent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:43 AMTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comSubject: RE: OT/adult vaccines I added OT to this topic! Hi Jack! I am an extremist, warning!! I respect your views on this and understand those thoughts, "eradication" , but I dont believe vaccines eradicated these dieases at all!! I have been down the discussion road hundreds of times and already know what to expect from most pro vaccer's so Ill try to make this simple without upsetting or offending anyone. Also I can pretty much predict your response to this and that is ok!!Ill just put a couple of my view points without dragging this out! 1) polio was never eradicated, still around, name was just changed(aspetic meningitis). Polio had already peaked as most diseases do and then spirals down to decline in nature. Vaccine for polio came out at the bottom of the decline and took credit for the decline and made LOT's of $$$$!! Where do you think aids came from? Research green monkey virus(monkeys was the host for polio vacs)2) majority of outbreaks in our country are with already vaccinated people(they dont work), but does make LOT's of $$$ and even more go out and rush to get those vacs from the disease that is outbroke(measles is good example). No, boosters are a joke, just more $$ in the scare tactics!3) Vaccines target the intestinal tract and affects the brain/gi neuro link. Our country has an epedemic gi/neuro crisis and this is a big cause. The gi is over 80% of the humans immune system! Many of our children/adults in this group are here to begin with due to vaccines affecting the intestinal tract and they dont even realize that(many other factors there also, but vacs a big one)4)If vaccines are so great, where are the ones for actual deadly diseases like aids, hep C, etc etc not just the ones our bodies can recover from on own!! Because they dont work so what good would the deadly disease vacs be(cant have that proof). O they have tested aids vaccine and the deep dark secret on that one is...AID's vulnerable now!! They just couldnt make it descrete enough yet to actually use the vaccine world wide!5) The dark side I mentioned earlier....all ill say is, each vac destroys small parts of the immune each time!I could go on and on but wont! I know how this topic can get, very heated, politics and religion dont compare but are related to the vaccine realm anyhow!! And yes I already know how many feel/think about my extreme views and dont care anymore. It is more important to get the info out there and even if 1 in a million gets it, then that is a blessing! Jennie<>< From: Tracie Happel <ctaj10centurylink (DOT) net>Subject: adult vaccinesTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:50 AM Here we go!!!!....http://video. foxnews.com/ v/4198424/ adult-vaccinatio ns No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Jack I just wanted to add that I have the up most respect for the medical profession. As you know you and I depend on them for our children and Im very greatful for them. I also admire your nephew and his hard work and dedication as with most doctors etc. I just believe this goes beyond even most of there understandings, not medically, but light verses dark(bigger picture). I hope that makes some sense! From: Tracie Happel <ctaj10centurylink (DOT) net>Subject: adult vaccinesTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:50 AM Here we go!!!!....http://video. foxnews.com/ v/4198424/ adult-vaccinatio ns No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2879 - Release Date: 05/17/10 02:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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