Re: OT: experience with glandulars?

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My experience with glandulars:-Adrenal glandulars. Some have had effects, some have not, but I haven't really benefited much from them. -Pituitary glandular. Tried this for the first time last week.

Wow. Has a huge effect on me. Feels like it fixes exactly whatever mystery thing has been wrong with me ever since I was about 13 (I'm now 25). Not suggesting this will work for anyone else. This might be just my own health history. I had many issues besides Lyme suggesting pituitary problems before I even got Lyme.-Immoplex from Nutricology - yes, increases my immune activity, makes me less dependent on Rifing-- my body can hold off the infections better without coiling.However, I'm a little worried about dependence on the glandulars. Going to try pulsing them in small doses (once every few days) to try to avoid tolerance.

Also, I am still learning the ropes about how these work in combination. Pituitary glandular seems to make adrenal glandulars more potent. I think I need to quit my slow-release 5mcg T3--I am feeling hyperthyroid, maybe thyroid dump....

There seems to be a risk of over-stimulation with adrenal glandulars. Dr. Lam talks about this. He says it's especially a concern in people with worse adrenal fatigue.

 

yes-- I have used a ton of them.  They have been very expensive and I really have not noticed any change when taking them.  I guess everyone is different though, so hopefully you can get more testimonials.

Whitney

 

Does anyone on here have experience with or knowledge about glandular supplements? Do you know if these replace body hormones, causing dependency, or direct/provide nutrition to glands, helping the glands to recover? You hear different stories

I know seaweeds, chlorella, and spirulina would be a good way to get nutrition for glands, without having to worry about this question, but iodine seems to make my acne worse.Thanks,

-- Whitney Schmucker

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Who make the pituitary glandular. I did not even know it existed as I have

never seen it.

Thanks,

Tamara

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American Biologics and Natural Sources make it. I got it on vitacost. They're from toxin-free animals in New Zealand, which is what you want--only get glandulars from New Zealand.The pituitary gland makes a lot of different things: Growth hormone, FSH and LH, TSH (for thyroid hormone release), ACTH (for adrenal hormone release), ADH (keeps water in you), MSH, BSH, and oxytocin.

On one hand, I'm concerned about messing with the " master gland " of the endocrine system, because if there are withdrawal symptoms, it would be really bad to have problems in so many different systems (adrenal, female hormones, water balance,

Growth Hormone Deficiency in Lyme and CFS:On the other hand, my former LLMD (Dr. R in NYC) wanted me to be tested for IGF-1 (or is it IGF-2) --growth hormone--since many of his Lyme patients are low (I was tested a few weeks ago before using any glandulars and should get my results soon.) They get growth hormone injections, and that helps them to get better from Lyme disease. If it's between injections of a synthetic hormone or basically eating animal body parts, and if I need at least one of those in order to recover from these infections, I'd be more comfortable with the latter.

" Growth hormone

deficiency in adults has been associated with many symptoms that are similar to those described by FM patients: low energy, poor general health, reduced exercise capacity, muscle weakness, cold intolerance, impaired cognition, dysthymia

and decreased lean body mass. IGF1 levels are often found to be low in FM patients. The few studies done so far have found symptomatic improvement of CFS and FM patients with GH injections. " It is likely that the problem in FM is a physiologic GH deficiency. Evidence was provided by a study in which FM patients were exercised to voluntary exhaustion on a treadmill; this is a

standard test of GH secretion. Unlike healthy controls, FM patients were unable to mount a GH response to exercise, despite reaching an anaerobic threshold (an indication of an adequate exercise workload). However, when fibromyalgia

patients were given pyridostigmine 1 hour prior to exercising, they were able to mount a reasonable GH response. As pyridostigmine is known to reduce somatostatin tone in the hypothalamus, this result is compatible with the notion that GH deficiency in fibromyalgia is a potentially reversible problem that has a physiologic basis i.e. increased hypothalamic somatostatin tone. [ S. Paiva, Atul Deodhar, Kim D. , ; Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland " (ibid)

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C13209.htmlImmune System:I feel like these glandulars really would help me to recover from the infections, since they significantly improve my immune function and decrease my need for coiling. (I have always been very dependent on coiling--I can't miss a session, and I have to coil more often than most people since my immune system can't keep the infections under control between sessions, but with glandulars, I'm contemplating an overnight trip tomorrow night since I can go longer between coiling now without relapsing or paying for it with bad herxes the next time I coil.)

Doctors who use them?I am trying to find doctors who use pituitary glandulars, since they'd have experience with the effects and how long people take them and whether there are withdrawal symptoms when they stop them.

I first read about them in Phyllis Balch's Prescription for Natural Healing. I read an article where a doctor used pituitary glandulars to help patients when they're withdrawing from antidepressants and antipsychotics: http://holisticpsychiatrist.com/2009/07/14/a-breakthrough-in-medication-withdrawal/.

Homeopathy?Another thought, from looking at Digital Naturopath's entry on low growth hormone, is homeopathic preparations, which might avoid the problem of dependence/tolerance. I guess there are homeopathy preparations for low HGH? http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C13209.html

another article on growth hormone: http://www.futurescience.com/hgh.htmlLow self-esteemOh, and get this--low growth hormone can cause low self-esteem (as described on the site above).

I've had low self-esteem for so long, no matter what I try to do to improve it. It feels like a biological thing to me. However, when using the pituitary glandulars for a week, I felt just as worthwhile as anyone else. I made my boyfriend start washing his own clothes since I'm tired of doing his, too ;-). I got a cute, shorter haircut because I feel more fun and I wanted a change to show my new personality. I've started taking more care of my appearance, I stand up for myself more, and I got some tall black lace-up boots at Nine West on sale because that's my style now... all of this without any therapy or books on self-esteem or CBT. Makes me think the low self-esteem was a hormonal thing, if it could be fixed this quickly.

I stopped the pituitary glandulars for two days to see what would happen, and I don't feel quite as much self-esteem now, but I do remember the state of mind, so I'm sort of in-between. I'm still doing ok with water needs, I am not having a relapse or worsening of thirst symptoms (at least not yet). Growth hormone and ADH have short half-lives (20-30 minutes), so if I'm getting actual hormones from the glandulars, then those should be metabolized quickly.

I do feel like after getting off antibiotics and starting to use the coil machine, my thirst problems became much worse, and I think my pituitary gland might have been affected by Lyme coming out of cysts or greater immune activity or something.

 

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Who make the pituitary glandular. I did not even know it existed as I have never seen it.

Thanks,

Tamara