Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I read it in many places Dct Saul told me so too. Did you read something different? Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:10:59 PMSubject: Re:??ozone?? Re: biofilms what makes you THINK OZONE will get biofilm????????roger Subject: Re: Re: biofilmsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 6:01 PM Ozone IM for the blood and rectale insufflation works too, I just began again th erectal ozone and I think something is happenning. Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 4:13:14 PMSubject: Re: biofilms Serapeptase, Lumbrokinase and Natokinase are all supposed to help biofilms.I have used them from time to time. I think Coffee enemas may help clear out the biofilms in the lower colon.>> This is here (Debra's son). I just wondered if any of you who are further > down the treatment line than me have any used to products to deal with biofilms?> > A few things I've read about:> > terminalia chebula (found in Triphala)> http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Lyme-Disease/recs/4199-destroying-lyme-biofilm> > do you think the symptom improvement could be caused by encysting?> > There's also this extract which I read> > "I thought you might find my experience with triphala interesting. My health was > generally very good up to age 50, when I was infected with Lyme disease. I was > not diagnosed for 5 years. Treatments with extended courses of antibiotic gave > temporary relief, but symptoms always returned. In the past 13 years, I've had > one 3 week period where I was symptom-free. That was the result of taking > triphala. The improvement was sudden and dramatic. > > But about 3 weeks into the triphala routine, everything fell apart: I had hives > over most of my body, and constant diarrhea. I stopped the triphala, and the > problems slowly receded, as I sunk back into the abyss of the past several > years. I've since tried to take the triphala (smaller doses), but always have a > negative reaction - digestive upset, night sweats, joint pain. I have had > vitiligo for many years and thought maybe autoimmune might be involved. Of the > many physicians I've seen, none has been able to either solve my health > problems, or explain what might have accounted for that short 3 weeks of > nirvana."> > There's also a lot of stuff about about triphala on biofilms on curezone and > this study> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20003940> > > Chlorine Dioxide (MMS)> > Chlorine Dioxide destroys biofilms by molecular diffusion (whatever that > means?). There's loads of stuff on curezone about this and it is used loads in > industry and water supplies etc. > > > > Enzymes (away from food)> > These I guess work br breaking down the biofilm. There's a lot of stuff on it.> > http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-hope-for-most-chronic-cases-of-lyme-disease-part-one/> > > From what I read some are more effective than others. Lumbrokinase is more > effective than Nattokinase which is more effective than Serrepatse. Since > biofilms are partly made from polysaccahrides I would iamgine amylase (breaks > down carbohydrates) would be effective. The way enzymes work is like a lock and > key so I would imagine different enzymes work on different 'parts' of the > biofilm.> > > Metal Chelators (e.g zeolite, edta)> > These work by chelating the metals (calcium, magnesium) etc in the biofilm.> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1393226/> > > Lactoferrin> > This doesnt actually break biofilms but renders iron unavailable so the bacteria > leave the biofilm to look for the iron they need. Not sure if this is so > applicable to Borrelia as this requires magnesium but most other > bacteria/parasites require iron.> > http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020530/full/news020527-7.html> > > Do the currents from a rife machine go through the biofilm? I would guess so > since it goes through your skin etc but does anyone out there know for sure?> > Biofilms are 'built' so that 'nutrients' that bacteria need can still get there > so from what I understand salt as part of salt/ vit c will get inside biofilms > and do it's job.> > Like I said, just wondered if other people have experience with any of these > products? Or suggestions of others and have noticed herxes/improvements etc?> > Thanks> > >Ozone IM or irectale insufflation works too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Why and how?? Subject: Re: Re: biofilmsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 6:01 PM Ozone IM for the blood and rectale insufflation works too, I just began again th erectal ozone and I think something is happenning. Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 4:13:14 PMSubject: Re: biofilms Serapeptase, Lumbrokinase and Natokinase are all supposed to help biofilms.I have used them from time to time. I think Coffee enemas may help clear out the biofilms in the lower colon.>> This is here (Debra's son). I just wondered if any of you who are further > down the treatment line than me have any used to products to deal with biofilms?> > A few things I've read about:> > terminalia chebula (found in Triphala)> http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Lyme-Disease/recs/4199-destroying-lyme-biofilm> > do you think the symptom improvement could be caused by encysting?> > There's also this extract which I read> > "I thought you might find my experience with triphala interesting. My health was > generally very good up to age 50, when I was infected with Lyme disease. I was > not diagnosed for 5 years. Treatments with extended courses of antibiotic gave > temporary relief, but symptoms always returned. In the past 13 years, I've had > one 3 week period where I was symptom-free. That was the result of taking > triphala. The improvement was sudden and dramatic. > > But about 3 weeks into the triphala routine, everything fell apart: I had hives > over most of my body, and constant diarrhea. I stopped the triphala, and the > problems slowly receded, as I sunk back into the abyss of the past several > years. I've since tried to take the triphala (smaller doses), but always have a > negative reaction - digestive upset, night sweats, joint pain. I have had > vitiligo for many years and thought maybe autoimmune might be involved. Of the > many physicians I've seen, none has been able to either solve my health > problems, or explain what might have accounted for that short 3 weeks of > nirvana."> > There's also a lot of stuff about about triphala on biofilms on curezone and > this study> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20003940> > > Chlorine Dioxide (MMS)> > Chlorine Dioxide destroys biofilms by molecular diffusion (whatever that > means?). There's loads of stuff on curezone about this and it is used loads in > industry and water supplies etc. > > > > Enzymes (away from food)> > These I guess work br breaking down the biofilm. There's a lot of stuff on it.> > http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-hope-for-most-chronic-cases-of-lyme-disease-part-one/> > > From what I read some are more effective than others. Lumbrokinase is more > effective than Nattokinase which is more effective than Serrepatse. Since > biofilms are partly made from polysaccahrides I would iamgine amylase (breaks > down carbohydrates) would be effective. The way enzymes work is like a lock and > key so I would imagine different enzymes work on different 'parts' of the > biofilm.> > > Metal Chelators (e.g zeolite, edta)> > These work by chelating the metals (calcium, magnesium) etc in the biofilm.> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1393226/> > > Lactoferrin> > This doesnt actually break biofilms but renders iron unavailable so the bacteria > leave the biofilm to look for the iron they need. Not sure if this is so > applicable to Borrelia as this requires magnesium but most other > bacteria/parasites require iron.> > http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020530/full/news020527-7.html> > > Do the currents from a rife machine go through the biofilm? I would guess so > since it goes through your skin etc but does anyone out there know for sure?> > Biofilms are 'built' so that 'nutrients' that bacteria need can still get there > so from what I understand salt as part of salt/ vit c will get inside biofilms > and do it's job.> > Like I said, just wondered if other people have experience with any of these > products? Or suggestions of others and have noticed herxes/improvements etc?> > Thanks> > >Ozone IM or irectale insufflation works too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I do not know sorry , as i have an ozone generator I do no ttry to get deeper into the explanation as I do not have ot make a choice just I use it more. Ozone is a powerfull tool kills the bugs detox oxygenate regenerate. i tis also corrosive ( when i was doing the IV to my sweety the veine were getting quicly unpracticable if I would not change each time even thought after nine months all the veine were unusable anymore bu tmy sweety was saved. Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 8:34:31 PMSubject: Re: ??ozone?? Re: biofilms Why and how?? Subject: Re: Re: biofilmsTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 6:01 PM Ozone IM for the blood and rectale insufflation works too, I just began again th erectal ozone and I think something is happenning. Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 4:13:14 PMSubject: Re: biofilms Serapeptase, Lumbrokinase and Natokinase are all supposed to help biofilms.I have used them from time to time. I think Coffee enemas may help clear out the biofilms in the lower colon.>> This is here (Debra's son). I just wondered if any of you who are further > down the treatment line than me have any used to products to deal with biofilms?> > A few things I've read about:> > terminalia chebula (found in Triphala)> http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Lyme-Disease/recs/4199-destroying-lyme-biofilm> > do you think the symptom improvement could be caused by encysting?> > There's also this extract which I read> > "I thought you might find my experience with triphala interesting. My health was > generally very good up to age 50, when I was infected with Lyme disease. I was > not diagnosed for 5 years. Treatments with extended courses of antibiotic gave > temporary relief, but symptoms always returned. In the past 13 years, I've had > one 3 week period where I was symptom-free. That was the result of taking > triphala. The improvement was sudden and dramatic. > > But about 3 weeks into the triphala routine, everything fell apart: I had hives > over most of my body, and constant diarrhea. I stopped the triphala, and the > problems slowly receded, as I sunk back into the abyss of the past several > years. I've since tried to take the triphala (smaller doses), but always have a > negative reaction - digestive upset, night sweats, joint pain. I have had > vitiligo for many years and thought maybe autoimmune might be involved. Of the > many physicians I've seen, none has been able to either solve my health > problems, or explain what might have accounted for that short 3 weeks of > nirvana."> > There's also a lot of stuff about about triphala on biofilms on curezone and > this study> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20003940> > > Chlorine Dioxide (MMS)> > Chlorine Dioxide destroys biofilms by molecular diffusion (whatever that > means?). There's loads of stuff on curezone about this and it is used loads in > industry and water supplies etc. > > > > Enzymes (away from food)> > These I guess work br breaking down the biofilm. There's a lot of stuff on it.> > http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-hope-for-most-chronic-cases-of-lyme-disease-part-one/> > > From what I read some are more effective than others. Lumbrokinase is more > effective than Nattokinase which is more effective than Serrepatse. Since > biofilms are partly made from polysaccahrides I would iamgine amylase (breaks > down carbohydrates) would be effective. The way enzymes work is like a lock and > key so I would imagine different enzymes work on different 'parts' of the > biofilm.> > > Metal Chelators (e.g zeolite, edta)> > These work by chelating the metals (calcium, magnesium) etc in the biofilm.> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1393226/> > > Lactoferrin> > This doesnt actually break biofilms but renders iron unavailable so the bacteria > leave the biofilm to look for the iron they need. Not sure if this is so > applicable to Borrelia as this requires magnesium but most other > bacteria/parasites require iron.> > http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020530/full/news020527-7.html> > > Do the currents from a rife machine go through the biofilm? I would guess so > since it goes through your skin etc but does anyone out there know for sure?> > Biofilms are 'built' so that 'nutrients' that bacteria need can still get there > so from what I understand salt as part of salt/ vit c will get inside biofilms > and do it's job.> > Like I said, just wondered if other people have experience with any of these > products? Or suggestions of others and have noticed herxes/improvements etc?> > Thanks> > >Ozone IM or irectale insufflation works too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi Marie and , I didn't think ozone affected biofilms either, but I just did a Google search and found this... http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a908088702 Jim > > > > This is here (Debra's son). I just wondered if any of you who are further > > down the treatment line than me have any used to products to deal with biofilms? > > > > A few things I've read about: > > > > terminalia chebula (found in Triphala) > > http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Lyme-Disease/recs/4199-destroying-lyme-biofilm > > > > do you think the symptom improvement could be caused by encysting? > > > > There's also this extract which I read > > > > " I thought you might find my experience with triphala interesting. My health was > > generally very good up to age 50, when I was infected with Lyme disease. I was > > not diagnosed for 5 years. Treatments with extended courses of antibiotic gave > > temporary relief, but symptoms always returned. In the past 13 years, I've had > > one 3 week period where I was symptom-free. That was the result of taking > > triphala. The improvement was sudden and dramatic. > > > > But about 3 weeks into the triphala routine, everything fell apart: I had hives > > over most of my body, and constant diarrhea. I stopped the triphala, and the > > problems slowly receded, as I sunk back into the abyss of the past several > > years. I've since tried to take the triphala (smaller doses), but always have a > > negative reaction - digestive upset, night sweats, joint pain. I have had > > vitiligo for many years and thought maybe autoimmune might be involved. Of the > > many physicians I've seen, none has been able to either solve my health > > problems, or explain what might have accounted for that short 3 weeks of > > nirvana. " > > Â > > There's also a lot of stuff about about triphala on biofilms on curezone and > > this study > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20003940 > > > > Â > > Chlorine Dioxide (MMS) > > Â > > Chlorine Dioxide destroys biofilms by molecular diffusion (whatever that > > means?). There's loads of stuff on curezone about this and it is used loads in > > industry and water supplies etc. > > > > > > > > Enzymes (away from food) > > Â > > These I guess work br breaking down the biofilm. There's a lot of stuff on it. > > > > http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/new-hope-for-most-chronic-cases-of-\ lyme-disease-part-one/ > > > > > > From what I read some are more effective than others. Lumbrokinase is more > > effective than Nattokinase which is more effective than Serrepatse. Since > > biofilms are partly made from polysaccahrides I would iamgine amylase (breaks > > down carbohydrates) would be effective. The way enzymes work is like a lock and > > key so I would imagine different enzymes work on different 'parts' of the > > biofilm. > > > > > > Metal Chelators (e.g zeolite, edta) > > Â > > These work by chelating the metals (calcium, magnesium) etc in the biofilm. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1393226/ > > > > Â > > Lactoferrin > > > > This doesnt actually break biofilms but renders iron unavailable so the bacteria > > leave the biofilm to look for the iron they need. Not sure if this is so > > applicable to Borrelia as this requires magnesium but most other > > bacteria/parasites require iron. > > > > http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020530/full/news020527-7.html > > > > > > Do the currents from a rife machine go through the biofilm? I would guess so > > since it goes through your skin etc but does anyone out there know for sure? > > > > Biofilms are 'built' so that 'nutrients' that bacteria need can still get there > > so from what I understand salt as part of salt/ vit c will get inside biofilms > > and do it's job. > > > > Like I said, just wondered if other people have experience with any of these > > products? Or suggestions of others and have noticed herxes/improvements etc? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ozone IM or irectale insufflation works too > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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