Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells?

[Guest guest]

Well Steve,This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders. There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough. I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary. Be well,LénaA friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?I'm glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are well, even if though they claim they are.Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.Steve

[Guest guest]

Fabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance, since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear from you, I know it's not just theory.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells?

Well Steve,

This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.

In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders.

There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.

No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.

I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.

Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.

A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough.

I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.

Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary.

Be well,

Léna

[Guest guest]

Yes, Lena. Excellent response. I didn't mean to offend anyone by the post, as I consider ALL information and debate to be healthy and the basis for learning. I've received some excellent responses re. this email from the board and in my personal email box. That's what I was looking for as I try to navigate my own Lyme path to wellness. SteveTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: twalters955@...Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:28:19 -0500Subject: RE: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells?

Fabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance, since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear from you, I know it's not just theory.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells?

Well Steve,

This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.

In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders.

There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.

No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.

I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.

Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.

A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough.

I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.

Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary.

Be well,

Léna

[Guest guest]

Oh Peggy, Please, I'm just a Lymie lab-rat. Don't give my words too much weight. I make mistakes too, and yes, I do theorize sometimes, so use your own inner judgement, always.Be well,LénaFabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance, since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear from you, I know it's not just theory. PeggyFrom: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells? Well Steve,This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders. There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough. I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary. Be well,Léna

[Guest guest]

Dear LenaI see you are still a master at turning a phrase. Your second paragraph is sheer poetry. I agree completely regarding your assessment of mainstream medicine.In fact I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I experienced Lyme for ten years so I could become totally disenchanted with the AMA and our drug induced "health care" system. I have discovered herbs, detoxing (colonics, juice fasting, coffee enemas, etc.) and most importantly Rife technology and the power of my own immune system. I realize that many people don't think we can ever be rid of Lyme but at this point I think I must seriously question that conclusion....at least for everyone and specifically for me.I feel I am about 97% at this point and I expect to be better than ever when I have had the chance to shed 10 more pounds as well as start lifting weights again. I'm 64 and must attribute the bulk of the credit for my recovery to Rife technology. I realize that the consensus here is that the Doug Coil is the premier Rife machine for Lyme but to quote someone else, "That is based on information that is 12 years old". We keep saying that we Lymies have more success with the Doug Coil but just as the desktop computer gave way to the laptop and now the laptop has given way to the IPad I think there are more recent technologies that are possibly more effective and much easier to use.I'm just speaking from personal experience and have nothing to gain. It's just that I appreciated others sharing their successes with me when I was starting out and I simply want to get more info out there. I also think we should perhaps be a bit more partial to methods that seem to have produced total recovery since so many seem to think this is not possible. I feel I have completely recovered and I have a friend who has been recovered for at least 5 years and he nearly died from Lyme.I feel great now so I don't have an ax to grind but since we are a site devoted to Rife and Lyme I personally think we should encourage any and all success stories.The Rife machine that turned it around for me in about 6 months is the Bare/Rife machine made by E Bare in New Mexico. I used, and still own, the Doug Coil but after a year and a half of using it I was still struggling. The biggest problem I think is that it is so limited in the area it can treat at one time that it would take a week for me to treat my entire body with just one frequency. The other limitation is that mine would only run for about 13 minutes before overheating. This is a problem for the fast growing strains of Lyme coinfections. The Bare machine is capable of treating the entire body at one time and running for hours which allows me to run many frequencies at three minutes each. I have the unit set up behind my couch so I can run it while I watch TV. It seems to have gotten rid of my Lyme as well as fixed a few other problems. As I said I have no vested interest in E Bare or his machines but I can assure you all that I'll never be without the Bare/Rife machine as long as I live. I honestly believe that Rife technology will be the preferred medicine of the future as more and more countries develop better and better Rife machines and there are more of us that discover frequencies that work.I suppose I should mention here that as I was making great progress with the Bare Rife machine I ordered a set of Lyme frequencies from "DNA Pathogen Frequencies" and set up programs to run through them. I ran each of a couple hundred frequencies twice but I can't say with certainty how much of a difference those specific frequencies made in my recovery. Given everything I must honestly say I feel that Lyme is no longer an issue with me.I'm not interested in arguing about this. Take what you like and leave the rest. I'm healthy again and very content with where I am after a ten year nightmare with Lyme and I just wanted to share my experience.Lena I often think of you in your traveling home. You are a master with words and a very good soul.All the best to you all,Sent from my iPa

Fabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance, since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear from you, I know it's not just theory.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells?

Well Steve,

This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.

In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders.

There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.

No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.

I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.

Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.

A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough.

I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.

Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary.

Be well,

Léna

[Guest guest]

Dear ,You're downright spooky, you know that? A couple hours ago, I was thinking of you (DMSO group was discussing some German shepard's issues, and I remembered your possible future business). 'I must write and see how is doing', I thought. Then I checked my computer and voilà: Darlington popped in!So glad to hear you're doing well! You are yet another person to validate the very real certainty that there can be life after Lyme. (Keeping in mind it will only happen with courage, patience, and diligence.)In my most fanciful moments, I fancy that Lyme has called us to be the haphazard vanguard of people/lab-rats, blazing trail for the future of healing. Hmmmm. that's probably what poor Royal Rife thought, 75 years ago. What a long, hard road humanity trudges! Have you ever read or seen 'Fahrenheit 451'? Lymies remind me of the fugitive 'book people', encamped in a remote forest, reciting from memory the great works of literature to the next generation, after the main culture has burned all the books.Please let me know if you have a dog website at this time. i'd love to check it out.Hope all is well with your family situation as well.Be well, stay well, my friend,LénaDear LenaI see you are still a master at turning a phrase. Your second paragraph is sheer poetry. I agree completely regarding your assessment of mainstream medicine.In fact I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I experienced Lyme for ten years so I could become totally disenchanted with the AMA and our drug induced "health care" system. I have discovered herbs, detoxing (colonics, juice fasting, coffee enemas, etc.) and most importantly Rife technology and the power of my own immune system. I realize that many people don't think we can ever be rid of Lyme but at this point I think I must seriously question that conclusion....at least for everyone and specifically for me.I feel I am about 97% at this point and I expect to be better than ever when I have had the chance to shed 10 more pounds as well as start lifting weights again. I'm 64 and must attribute the bulk of the credit for my recovery to Rife technology. I realize that the consensus here is that the Doug Coil is the premier Rife machine for Lyme but to quote someone else, "That is based on information that is 12 years old". We keep saying that we Lymies have more success with the Doug Coil but just as the desktop computer gave way to the laptop and now the laptop has given way to the IPad I think there are more recent technologies that are possibly more effective and much easier to use.I'm just speaking from personal experience and have nothing to gain. It's just that I appreciated others sharing their successes with me when I was starting out and I simply want to get more info out there. I also think we should perhaps be a bit more partial to methods that seem to have produced total recovery since so many seem to think this is not possible. I feel I have completely recovered and I have a friend who has been recovered for at least 5 years and he nearly died from Lyme.I feel great now so I don't have an ax to grind but since we are a site devoted to Rife and Lyme I personally think we should encourage any and all success stories.The Rife machine that turned it around for me in about 6 months is the Bare/Rife machine made by E Bare in New Mexico. I used, and still own, the Doug Coil but after a year and a half of using it I was still struggling. The biggest problem I think is that it is so limited in the area it can treat at one time that it would take a week for me to treat my entire body with just one frequency. The other limitation is that mine would only run for about 13 minutes before overheating. This is a problem for the fast growing strains of Lyme coinfections. The Bare machine is capable of treating the entire body at one time and running for hours which allows me to run many frequencies at three minutes each. I have the unit set up behind my couch so I can run it while I watch TV. It seems to have gotten rid of my Lyme as well as fixed a few other problems. As I said I have no vested interest in E Bare or his machines but I can assure you all that I'll never be without the Bare/Rife machine as long as I live. I honestly believe that Rife technology will be the preferred medicine of the future as more and more countries develop better and better Rife machines and there are more of us that discover frequencies that work.I suppose I should mention here that as I was making great progress with the Bare Rife machine I ordered a set of Lyme frequencies from "DNA Pathogen Frequencies" and set up programs to run through them. I ran each of a couple hundred frequencies twice but I can't say with certainty how much of a difference those specific frequencies made in my recovery. Given everything I must honestly say I feel that Lyme is no longer an issue with me.I'm not interested in arguing about this. Take what you like and leave the rest. I'm healthy again and very content with where I am after a ten year nightmare with Lyme and I just wanted to share my experience.Lena I often think of you in your traveling home. You are a master with words and a very good soul.All the best to you all,Sent from my iPa Fabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance, since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear from you, I know it's not just theory. PeggyFrom: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells? Well Steve,This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders. There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough. I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary. Be well,Léna

[Guest guest]

Lena once again your words were so eloquently spoken. Mine are more blunt and

too the point, so here is my response. I have eradicated most of my Lyme

infection with only Rife.

My first question for your friend the biologist is, does she use a cell phone

or computer, watch TV, listen to radios? If she is really concerned about the

biological effect of frequencies to our bodies, then perhaps she should move to

the jungle where there are no wireless signals.

Second, Royal Rife spent his entire lifetime studying the response of these

organisms and their MORs (mortal Oscillating Rates) He was an extraordinary

scientist and many of his rife machines were put in doctor's offices around the

country and used to treat and cure Cancers until Fishbein of the FDA

stepped in and wanted a piece of the action.

Third, If your friend is relying on our current pseudo scientific studies to

ascertain if a drug or vaccination is safe, then she is delusional.

Vaccinations for the newest strain of flu are put out in a matter of a couple of

months, certainly not long enough to perform long term studies on them. It was

reported in the Townsend Letter that the H1N1 flu vaccine was grown on Cancerous

chicken embryos as the cultures obviously grow more rapidly. Interesting,

because Dr. Royal Rife was able to induce Cancer in lab rats by injecting them

with the Cancer virus. That is right he deemed Cancer to be caused by a virus.

Makes sense to me, since HPV causes cervical cancer as well as other growths

such as warts.

Your Biologist friend can go ahead and put her faith in Allopathic medicine and

we will see who gets well first. I don't have to look any farther then the

money trail to know I don't want to go the Allopathic route. As far as all of

us who use rife having a few screws loose, I have to say, I have never been

around a group of more intelligent and self motivated people. My MD told me she

wished all people would take charge of their own healing instead of passively

waiting for someone else to fix them.

>

>

> A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

>

> I'm

> glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

> few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> well, even if though they claim they are.

>

> Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Congratulations in your recovery! I have always felt that anyone who owns a

coil should have a second rife machine. I agree that running one frequency can

be cumbersome especially given the fact that my coil seems to heat up after

about 8 minutes and I have to shut it down. I have learned to use a combined

treatment. I run the coil for 6 minutes then hit the GB 4000 for a session and

then jump back on the coil. This approach seems to have served me well. I have

to say though that it was the coil that has gotten me to about 97% past Lyme.

My MD says that I no longer muscle test for Lyme and though I have Mycoplasma, I

am sure that it will be eradicated too with a combination of rifing and

homeopathics.

I am not familiar with the newer rife/barr instruments. I bought a Dan

EMEM years ago and hooked up an Ateleir Robin Frequency generator to it and used

it for awhile and it appeared that the old rife Barr instruments looked very

similar to what I rigged together. An EMEM and Ateleir Robin. Are his machines

still basically a plasma device driven by a frequency generator? The reason I

quit using the EMEM was I was just too sensitive to the EMF. I understand that

a lot of the newer builders are doing things to eliminate this problem,

something to do with a spark gap. I love to hear people's success stories and

it is so important for those of us who were really sick at one time to tell our

stories to provide inspiration for those who are starting out. I also am

embarking on a weight loss and exercise regimen now, it is such a good feeling

to be well enough to do that!

>

> > Fabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE

discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance,

since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear

from you, I know it's not just theory.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

On Behalf Of Guyot Léna

> > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AM

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells?

> >

> >

> > Well Steve,

> >

> >

> > This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more

mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their

lives back with frx.

> >

> > In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals

have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find

that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just

doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?:

I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for

that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the

shudders.

> >

> > There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's

risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer

treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully,

slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to

doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to

use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line,

and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing

stage.

> >

> > No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.

> > I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.

> >

> > Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps

through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in

the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.

> >

> > A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I

mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off

complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups

that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to

weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was

proof enough.

> >

> > I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme,

I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my

age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should

keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make

them in the first place.

> >

> > Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed.

Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each

person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be

respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary.

> >

> > Be well,

> > Léna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear LenaI'm not familiar with Fahrenheit 451 but think your analogy about us being in the vanguard where Lyme and Rife is concerned is right on. We do have a website for our store now at www.doggystore.comWe are producing our own dog food now called "Brothers" and you can order it on the website. We hired a PHD in animal nutrition with 30 years experience and told him to design the healthiest dog food possible. He told me he'd done 30 years research and worked with every dog food manufacturer in this country and NO ONE had ever asked him to make the best food possible. They always asked him how to make the food cheaper.So after two years designing it we now have the most advanced dog food made, complete with an active coating of enzymes (normally you must feed raw food to get enzymes) as well as enterically coated probiotics (other foods use human grade probiotics) so the probiotics survive the more acidic stomach acid content of a dog (PH 1 as compared to a humans stomach acid of about PH 4) and open up in the small intestine where they do some good. It has no grain or white potato and the nutrient profile of this food is perfectly balanced so it is not necessary to add anything to it. It has the correct balance of Omega 3 to 6 of 1 to 5 instead of the normal 1 to 10 or 15 for optimal skin health.Since all dog food is now preserved with mixed tocopherals ( vitamin E) and none of the warehouses in the country are air-conditioned most of the vitamin E burns off while the food is stored for a few months before it gets to the stores. Brothers is put in air conditioned storage facilities two days after it is made so it can remain perfectly fresh for a full year.So it's been a long journey to get something to market that will actually be more beneficial to dogs than it is to corporate America but we've finally done it. Soon we will be coming out with a fish formula to compliment the red meat and white meat formula we already have.I know you've been feeding your little one raw with good results. Now you can do what we are doing with our four dogs and feed them a combination of dry and raw if you want. This makes traveling much easier because you can feed them just dry if you need to since it has the same enzymes that are in the raw to aid digestion. Actually a combination of raw with the Brothers is a better nutrient profile than just raw because they only use muscle meat in most commercial raw foods these days and for millions of years dogs ate the organs as well as the muscles so they got a broader range of nutrients.We put so much into the food that it would make it too expensive to market it through normal channels so we must sell it directly to our customers consequently we decided to ship our Brothers food for free anywhere in the country so it would be available to everyone. You feed a lot less of this food than normal dry food because it has no grain or white potato and the enzymes enable the dog to get more nutrition from an equal volume of food. It costs more per bag but close to the same to feed the dog for the month because you use so much less of it.It's coated with freeze dried liver so dogs actually love it. Now if I could only find food this nutritious for me all would be right in the world.I think of you often and hope you are well. Send me your address and I'll send you a bag of food to try.All the best to you,Sent from my iPa

Dear ,You're downright spooky, you know that? A couple hours ago, I was thinking of you (DMSO group was discussing some German shepard's issues, and I remembered your possible future business). 'I must write and see how is doing', I thought. Then I checked my computer and voilà: Darlington popped in!So glad to hear you're doing well! You are yet another person to validate the very real certainty that there can be life after Lyme. (Keeping in mind it will only happen with courage, patience, and diligence.)In my most fanciful moments, I fancy that Lyme has called us to be the haphazard vanguard of people/lab-rats, blazing trail for the future of healing. Hmmmm. that's probably what poor Royal Rife thought, 75 years ago. What a long, hard road humanity trudges! Have you ever read or seen 'Fahrenheit 451'? Lymies remind me of the fugitive 'book people', encamped in a remote forest, reciting from memory the great works of literature to the next generation, after the main culture has burned all the books.Please let me know if you have a dog website at this time. i'd love to check it out.Hope all is well with your family situation as well.Be well, stay well, my friend,LénaDear LenaI see you are still a master at turning a phrase. Your second paragraph is sheer poetry. I agree completely regarding your assessment of mainstream medicine.In fact I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I experienced Lyme for ten years so I could become totally disenchanted with the AMA and our drug induced "health care" system. I have discovered herbs, detoxing (colonics, juice fasting, coffee enemas, etc.) and most importantly Rife technology and the power of my own immune system. I realize that many people don't think we can ever be rid of Lyme but at this point I think I must seriously question that conclusion....at least for everyone and specifically for me.I feel I am about 97% at this point and I expect to be better than ever when I have had the chance to shed 10 more pounds as well as start lifting weights again. I'm 64 and must attribute the bulk of the credit for my recovery to Rife technology. I realize that the consensus here is that the Doug Coil is the premier Rife machine for Lyme but to quote someone else, "That is based on information that is 12 years old". We keep saying that we Lymies have more success with the Doug Coil but just as the desktop computer gave way to the laptop and now the laptop has given way to the IPad I think there are more recent technologies that are possibly more effective and much easier to use.I'm just speaking from personal experience and have nothing to gain. It's just that I appreciated others sharing their successes with me when I was starting out and I simply want to get more info out there. I also think we should perhaps be a bit more partial to methods that seem to have produced total recovery since so many seem to think this is not possible. I feel I have completely recovered and I have a friend who has been recovered for at least 5 years and he nearly died from Lyme.I feel great now so I don't have an ax to grind but since we are a site devoted to Rife and Lyme I personally think we should encourage any and all success stories.The Rife machine that turned it around for me in about 6 months is the Bare/Rife machine made by E Bare in New Mexico. I used, and still own, the Doug Coil but after a year and a half of using it I was still struggling. The biggest problem I think is that it is so limited in the area it can treat at one time that it would take a week for me to treat my entire body with just one frequency. The other limitation is that mine would only run for about 13 minutes before overheating. This is a problem for the fast growing strains of Lyme coinfections. The Bare machine is capable of treating the entire body at one time and running for hours which allows me to run many frequencies at three minutes each. I have the unit set up behind my couch so I can run it while I watch TV. It seems to have gotten rid of my Lyme as well as fixed a few other problems. As I said I have no vested interest in E Bare or his machines but I can assure you all that I'll never be without the Bare/Rife machine as long as I live. I honestly believe that Rife technology will be the preferred medicine of the future as more and more countries develop better and better Rife machines and there are more of us that discover frequencies that work.I suppose I should mention here that as I was making great progress with the Bare Rife machine I ordered a set of Lyme frequencies from "DNA Pathogen Frequencies" and set up programs to run through them. I ran each of a couple hundred frequencies twice but I can't say with certainty how much of a difference those specific frequencies made in my recovery. Given everything I must honestly say I feel that Lyme is no longer an issue with me.I'm not interested in arguing about this. Take what you like and leave the rest. I'm healthy again and very content with where I am after a ten year nightmare with Lyme and I just wanted to share my experience.Lena I often think of you in your traveling home. You are a master with words and a very good soul.All the best to you all,Sent from my iPa Fabulous, Lena. As always. Thanks for speaking up. Discouraging words ARE discouraging, so your response is the much-needed balance. Better than balance, since you speak from experience and know what you're talking about. When I hear from you, I know it's not just theory. PeggyFrom: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Guyot LénaSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:20 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Coil specific or killing other healthy cells? Well Steve,This letter from you 'biology-background' friend doesn't sound any more mentally/cognitively lucid than many I've read from Lymies who are getting their lives back with frx.In the face of all the legal disclaimers that highly touted pharmaceuticals have to murmur in dulcet tones at the end of their ubiquitous TV ads, I find that this vague, negative evaluation of the suspected dangers of Rifing just doesn't move me...AT ALL. Waiting for studies before treating the kiddies, eh?: I have a 2yo friend who's on Enbrel for JRA. Have you HEARD the disclaimers for that mainstream-approved drug? (not to mention the ruinous cost) It gives me the shudders. There could well be some concern; there are few sure things in life. There's risk in everything else, from CT scans, statins, nsaids, to carcinogenic cancer treatments. I guess one has to ultimately listen to one's gut; carefully, slowly, try what seems to work and work up. Or the alternative is to listen to doctors who have been tunnel-visioned by pharmaceutical companies for decades to use remedies that in retrospect, were driven into use mostly by the bottom line, and often shown later to have dishonest manipulation of info in the testing stage.No, Rifing hasn't damaged my brain into becoming paranoid.I simply read a lot, and double-check sources.Healing is still more art, and faith, than science, and as history sweeps through respected remedies of one era to reveal them to be dangerous fraud in the next, we remain desperate lab-rats, having to make hard decisions.A good friend who's a gastro-enterologist almost hit the roof when I mentioned CEs as having turned the corner for me in treating the die-off complications of this disease. Later, I was given several documents in my groups that more than balanced her negativity, but even if I hadn't read them, I had to weigh my own experience and listen to my gut, and my positive experience was proof enough. I'm getting well. After 45 years of main-stream-medicine-misdiagnosed Lyme, I'm getting well. I'm now healthier than many healthy, 'normal' people my age,(65), and no screwier than the next person. Your friend, bless her, should keep her judgements to herself, or ask herself why she feels the need to make them in the first place.Hmmm. Maybe I AM a little screwy, as I ask myself why I feel so incensed. Perhaps I feel that there should be seldom heard a discouraging word; that each person has to find his/her way in this struggle and that his/her way should be respected, unless there's concrete evidence to the contrary. Be well,Léna

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

No offense taken, but one last thing I might mention, and you can pass this on

to your friend. If it weren't for my LLMD, I would never have heard of Rife, she

told me to read 's book Lyme and Rife machines. Dr. Klinghart also thinks

rife has it's place as does my MD/Homeopath in Mexico who was trained under Dr.

Woitzel in Germany on the Bionic 880 photonic light treatment. Obviously,

rifing does not meet " Standard of Care " for MDs, but many LLMDs will recommend

rife machines under the table and I have several practitioners that own rife

machines themselves. I personally believe that frequency and electro medicine

will be the future of medicine if we can overcome the profit stranglehold that

the Pharmaceutical companies have on our Medical Establishment. For most of us,

Rife is our only option, because to treat the average Lyme patient with ABX

costs over $100,000.00 Insurance companies will not cover more then about 6

weeks of antibiotic therapy. For an entire family who is stricken with Lyme,

the only option is to buy a rife machine and use herbs, supplements and

homeopathics. The cool thing about this is there are more people getting well

using this approach, then from abx. If your friend runs out of money treating

her family, she may come around when she sees that you are getting better.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

>

> >

>

> > I'm

>

> > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

>

> > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

>

> > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

>

> > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

>

> > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

>

> > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

>

> > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

>

> > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

>

> > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

>

> > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

>

> > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

>

> > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

>

> > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

>

> > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

>

> > well, even if though they claim they are.

>

> >

>

> > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

>

> > Steve

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I've tried not to respond as others have done so well and without the anger that

is boiling inside me.

A lyme crusader?? Are you kidding? She is extremely insulting and judgemental.

If she doesn't believe in rife thats one thing but to call those of us who do "

having a few screws loose " ? I also take very much offense to that fact she says

no one gets well and those who say they do are basically lying. Its not

constructive and its insulting. May of us are well enough to handle these

insults but most on this group are really to sick to handle negativity. I

hampers their wellness.

I am well, most will agree I am not crazy. I tried the main stream medicine way

for two years and it failed me. And I am one of the lucky ones. Two years is

nothing compared to the lifetime others have wasted. She should " man up " and

respond to some of our emails. Maybe she could learn something.

Tamara

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

>

> >

>

> > I'm

>

> > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

>

> > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

>

> > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

>

> > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

>

> > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

>

> > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

>

> > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

>

> > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

>

> > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

>

> > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

>

> > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

>

> > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

>

> > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

>

> > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

>

> > well, even if though they claim they are.

>

> >

>

> > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

>

> > Steve

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think is is worthwhile to mention something about this. First and foremost it

appears this individual made these statements in a private e-mail which is,

essentially, a private coversation. If she posted this herself perhaps it could

be viewed differently Her points is generally valid. There is risk in using

rife. We don't know if there will be long term consequences. For me and my

family it is a risk worth taking. For others, perhaps not. As far as the

inflamitory language goes ( " missing a few screws " ), I don't think it is fair to

chastise her for something she never said to the the group as a whole. I for

one, would not be too pleased if someone published my own private e-mail. I say

things differently to friends as compared to online statements that might live

forever.

I can say there is patient recruitment underway in a study to determine if

there is dna damage from the use of rife machines.

http://lymebook.com/blog/research-news/rife-for-lyme-gets-usa-hospital-study-by-\

east-coast-physician/

Other than that all we have to go on is the collective experience of rife users.

Dan

>

>

> A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

>

> I'm

> glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

> few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> well, even if though they claim they are.

>

> Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

I am so thankful to my LLMD for exposing me options besides ABX. I knew I

already had Candida issues due to years of ABX treating sinusitis. I

immediately turned to rife and am glad that I did.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I'm

> >

> > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> >

> > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> >

> > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> >

> > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> >

> > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> >

> > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> >

> > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> >

> > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> >

> > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> >

> > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> >

> > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> >

> > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> >

> > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

> >

> > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> >

> > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> >

> > > Steve

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

I am not sure how valid a study of rife machine users DNA damage would be. All

humans are exposed to electromagnetic fields and yes rifers in greater amounts,

that is why I feel it is important to do other things in your environment to

limit exposure as per suggestions made by both Dr. Lee Cowden and Dr. Dietrich

Klinghardt. For example, turning your wireless router off at night would help,

but better yet is to get a wifi reducing canopy over your bed to eliminate the

wireless signals of neighboring devices. I have a canopy and used it for months

until the screw came out of the ceiling and I just haven't gotten around to

getting a molly to fix it. My husband who is super tall, hates it. I do know

however that it really helped with my EMF sensitivity which I am having more

issues with lately since it has been down. I saw a video of Dr. Klinghardt

showing the difference one of these canopies can make. He had some kind of a

gauss meter to test the wifi around a bed minus the canopy and with the canopy.

It was a huge difference when the canopy was in place. The other thing is that

wifi canopies do not protect one from the ambient radiation in the walls, so one

needs to turn the circuit breaker off in our rooms at night. By minimizing

exposure to wifi, putting protecters on cell phones and computers, we may offset

some of the other damage that may be incured by using a rife machine.

As far as the private email that the friend of Steve's sent, I think we have a

right to take offense regardless of whether it was intended for public viewing

or not. I personally think she intended to offend as she knew full well that

Steve is using rife now to treat Lyme. Doesn't the fact that he is rifing put

him in the category of those who have a loose screw? He may be thicker skinned,

but if that email came privately to me, I would have been offended. Of course

some people might say all Lymies have a loose screw, her included. Second, one

needs to be responsible for the words that they write or speak. If you do not

want your negative words to come back and bite you in the a#$, then it would be

smart not to say negative things in the first place.

I expect people to be judgemental of Rife and in fact advised me to hide my

coil machine so that I don't have to field questions when people come to visit.

I didn't hide it and I frankly don't care what people think when they walk in

and see my machine. Those who know me, know that I was very ill at one time and

have come a long way back to health so they know better then to question what I

am doing. I am equally as judgemental of those who put blind trust in our

current allopathic medical establishment run by the FDA and Pharmaceutical

companies. I guess the difference is I don't tell people who take Lipitor, or

crestor or the little purple pill that they have a screw loose.

> >

> >

> > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> >

> > I'm

> > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

> > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > well, even if though they claim they are.

> >

> > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > Steve

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I almost participated in a study of rife by a local doctor asked Rosner to

help him recruit. In the beginning I was really excited about it bus after

receiving the information packet from his office I declined. They wanted to

take one blood test to see if there was damage? They wanted no information on

how long I was sick, what infections I had, what treatments I had. They only

wanted to know years rifing and take the one blood test. They had no baseline

of how I was before. It was ridiculous. Oh and I was not privy to the results

of my own bloodwork.

I didn't want to be part of a study that was clearly designed to discredit

rifing. I too have a thick skin with the rife thing. I really don't care who

believes in it or not. I do however take offense to a fellow lymie dissing me

for my beliefs and discouraging others for trying something that might make them

well. I have two friends who have lyme and will not use my rife machine or take

any of my other suggestions on alternative medicine. I know I have told this

story more than once so sorry for repeating myself. They are still sick. One

is at 6 plus years and the other at 10 plus years of pure misery and rapidly

declining.

I am terribly frustrated with both of them and yet it breaks my heart seeing

them struggle and knowing that they're so closed minded that I can't help.

Tamara

> > >

> > >

> > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> > >

> > > I'm

> > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

> > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> > >

> > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > > Steve

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tamara,

You were smart to decline, because it truly does sound like they were going to

bias the study against Rife. My question also is, how can they know what causes

DNA or cellular damage. My understanding from a British documentary aired on

NOVA, PBS that I watched called " The Ghost in Your Genes " is that many things

can lead to DNA damage for example air pollution, Alcoholism, smoking,

pesticides and pathogenic infections, toxic metal exposure etc.. The faulty DNA

is then passed onto the next generation. Each generation becomes more and more

damaged due to the environmental exposure of their ancestors. As they said in

the Movie, " We are the keeper of our Genes " the more we allow our genes to

become damaged, the more it will effect future generations. This could explain

the increase in incidence of Autism. I guess my point is without a baseline,

there isn't any way that this study could tell if your DNA was more damaged as a

result of Rife. They need to do a baseline on rifers who have not yet started

and then study them at various intervals for a few years to have an effective

study.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote

me this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> > > >

> > > > I'm

> > > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> > > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> > > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> > > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> > > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> > > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> > > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> > > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing

a

> > > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> > > >

> > > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > > > Steve

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Your feelings are yours and you are entitled to them. If the statement upsets

you that is understandable. What the relationship is between these two people I

do not know. It is between them and no one else. I spent six months in an IV

room with the same people twice a day seven days a week. There are a couple of

us who are able to crack jokes about lyme that would offend others. We keep it

between themselves. Sometimes laughter is the best medicine. I wouldn't dream

of upsetting someone else dealing with this aweful disease.

I agree there is legitimate concern with the study. If you refer to the web

site I referenced in my earlier post there is an interesting discussion on this

issue. It is my hope that the information obtained with be helpful to those who

are reluctant to use rife. FDA approval for the machine would still be years

away.

Dan

> > >

> > >

> > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote me

this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> > >

> > > I'm

> > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing a

> > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> > >

> > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > > Steve

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

Your point is taken.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme wrote

me this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> > > >

> > > > I'm

> > > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a biologist.....it

> > > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so exact

> > > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't believe

> > > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those that

> > > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> > > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying. But

> > > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people I

> > > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be missing

a

> > > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> > > >

> > > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > > > Steve

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Looking back I think my response was a bit much. Sorry. Might have been a

little lyme grumpy when I posted.

Dan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme

wrote me this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm

> > > > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > > > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > > > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > > > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > > > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a

biologist.....it

> > > > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so

exact

> > > > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > > > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't

believe

> > > > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those

that

> > > > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I believe

> > > > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying.

But

> > > > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the people

I

> > > > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be

missing a

> > > > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > > > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > > > > Steve

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No worries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A friend with biology background and who's entire family has lyme

wrote me this email. She's incredibly lyme saavy and understands treatment and

co-infections better than anyone I know. Is there an archive (still haven't

figured out how to find them) or another post that could answer the question

about specificity to killing lyme and not damaging other body cells?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm

> > > > > > glad you're finding benefit on the Doug Coil, Steve. I've told you

> > > > > > before my basic reluctance on Rife, and I know that you and Danika

> > > > > > understand what I've said....esp about the kiddies prior to studies

> > > > > > showing it to be safe. Now that my own brain is recouping (amazing

> > > > > > feeling) I'll put it more on the gut level for me as a

biologist.....it

> > > > > > is counter-intuitive for me to believe that frequencies can be so

exact

> > > > > > for a pathogen and kill/disrupt it and NOT disrupt anything else

> > > > > > cellularly or subcellularly within the human body. I just don't

believe

> > > > > > that biologics can be that frequency specific. (I know what those

that

> > > > > > use it and sell it claim....no need to go there with me.) I

believe

> > > > > > people herx and gain some level of benefit, so pathogens are dying.

But

> > > > > > as it also happens....and perhaps only coincidentally, all the

people I

> > > > > > know personally who have done rife over a long time seem to be

missing a

> > > > > > few screws mentally/cognitively.....and none of the ones I know are

> > > > > > well, even if though they claim they are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anything solid regarding this would be appreciated.

> > > > > > Steve

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve T,You've got it, Lyme does harm to us, we have to undo this harm and rife is a good protocol to use.. I think many come to these groups and have some fears of the respective protocols, this is common... I certainly feared rife, salt/C and MMS, my fears were all unfounded.. Now the fear is doing nothing and allowing Lyme to continue taking over our bodies... This is why those who use good successful, time tested protocols do get better over time... And it is important to note, not everyone is using the same protocols, so different things are working at getting people to better health... This is why I like using more than one killing protocol, 2 - 4 makes more sense to me... This way if 3 protocols are just so-so, and the fourth is really working, then better health will be reached.. Not all protocols work for everyone, they may not be doing these protocols properly... But if just one is working, then the multi-protocol approach is a success, often more than one is working... I have seen some use one protocol only, to announce several months later it is not working for them, thus they have lost months of killing potential. 

As for the Doug Coil, if you want to kill using frx's, it gives the most potential because of its power which is directed to the coil, thus a lot of power is aimed at one specific area.. Other machines don't do this... This is why so many have good success with the Coil and have been for the past 5 years I know of and it was that way long before I came to these groups.. 's group did a survey, the Doug Coil was rated a #10 for effectiveness for Lyme by its members and it is the most owned machine, what better recommendations can we get!

Have you tried Doug MacLeans set of frx's? He developed the Doug Coil and treated himself and his family with the Coil, all are doing well about 20 years later... I will post his info below.. There may be some other good Lyme frx's without having to look at the CAFL list as there are about 70 frx's there and many don't work for Lyme.

At least you and your wife are joking around about Lyme!  Sometimes we take this disease too serious, after all, we still have lives and need to live them.. Allowing Lyme to control our lives is not healthy, although I do understand for some Lyme does control their lives... Used to for me, but I fought  this and won.. 

Yeah, with less fatigue and less brain fog, we could actually have a life with Lyme... :-)  What seemed to help me the most here was just getting my pathogen load lower... MMS was a BIG time help here for me... I did also use the following supps to help with brain fog, I didn't buy them specifically for brain fog, they just happen to be helpful and were purchased for other reasons:  Ginkgo Biloba, Ashwaganda, Tyrosine, Molybdenum, Vit B12 Methyl,  Apple Cider Vinegar (Bragg's or similar 3 Tbsp daily, one 1/2 hr before each meal), Extra Virgin Organic Coconut Oil, L-carnitine and C0Q-10.  Vinpocetine is also considered good for brain fog, I haven't used it yet.... 

As for Biofilms, MMS destroys and also prevents them  from forming... Also good is Nattokinase, Lumbrokinase and Grapefruit Seed Extract... Take care,JimRife, M-M-S, Salt/C, Ozone water

I have NO financial interest in anything I discuss.Disclaimer: THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!This list is the 1st Amendment in action. I am not an expert, I do share my many years of experiences and knowledge I have learned from others, both on group and privately. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. I am sharing information I believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider.

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Doug MacLean suggested trying 432 as the first frequency for Lyme... 

When Stolar started building Doug Coil machines, he treated himself first and found 432 worked well for Lyme... Others who followed have also done well with 432... Not everyone does though and they should investigate other frequencies (frx) to use... 

The frx's Doug used about 20 years ago were ones that worked for him and his family... What he didn't know back then was coinfections existed, so some of his Lyme frx's are actually coinfection frx's that they obviously got hits on... 

These are the frx's Doug and his family used with the Doug Coil:

Doug’s Frequencies for Lyme:

83100

203, 207 (200-210)307410

432612

790800832

2112, 2127, 2128 (2100-2150)655 (caution—Doug had an intense reaction to this—use with caution)

Here is Doug's discussion about the protocol he used...