RE: GB-4000 & Coil

[Guest guest]

I have both and I love the GB 4000. I wish I had the money to spring for the

new 50 watt M.O.P.A. amplifier that turns the GB 4000 into a plasma non contact

machine. I think the GB 4000 is the absolute best contact machine on the market

if you go to http://www.gb4000.org/ and scroll to the bottom of the page there

is a very good comparison chart on the site of all of the contact and plasma

devices. I have been using my BG to treat Mycoplasma because as you say. It is

hard to find the exact frequency that will work and since there are over 200

strains of Mycoplasma, I am finding that at least in my case, the GB 4000 along

with Homeopathy with a photon device has been more helpful then coiling.

>

> Does anyone have both a GB-4000 and a coil machine? I've been using a coil

> very successfully for Lyme & coinfections since June. Nothing else I've

> ever done has been as effective. But I've had an upper respiratory

> infection (diagnosed as a virus) for 5 weeks and am not getting anywhere

> trying to treat it. One of the limitations of the coil is that you have to

> know what's infecting you before you can treat it. My understanding is that

> this is not the case with a GB-4000, as it's able to treat a range of things

> without having to be so specific in what you're pinpointing. Lydia reports

> great success using it for an infection similar to mine. I think there are

> some people here who have both. Could you report on your experience with

> this? I'd like to know a little more before I invest in yet another

> machine. Thanks.

>

> Peggy

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, . I thought I remembered you had both, and I'm so grateful for your response. My husband was home late this morning because of snow, so before he left for work he had time to look at the FAQ's page at G-4000.org because I didn't know what I was reading. If I understood him correctly, I wouldn't need everything so could get what I need for about the same cost as the coil, about $1700.

I hate to spend so much money on machines, but I hate even more staying stuck like this--I've been sick for over 5 weeks already with what's been diagnosed as an upper respiratory virus. What would you do with the GB-4000 if you had such a virus and didn't have any idea of it's specific identity beyond the fact that it causes upper respiratory problems?

I haven't been reading here for awhile. After I got so much better from coiling, I got back to work and didn't have time. So I'm not familiar with your story about the photon device. Is this similar to what's in Connie Strasheim's book--if I remember right, it was something about vials of homeopathic dilutions of pathogens and toxic substances, using some kind of device pointed at them while they were held against the body--desensitizing the body that way. Maybe originated in Germany? You're doing something like this, and if so, how did you get ahold of what you need?

Sorry if I'm asking questions about stuff you've already posted. Thanks so much for your help.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of musicladySent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:58 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: GB-4000 & Coil

I have both and I love the GB 4000. I wish I had the money to spring for the new 50 watt M.O.P.A. amplifier that turns the GB 4000 into a plasma non contact machine. I think the GB 4000 is the absolute best contact machine on the market if you go to http://www.gb4000.org/ and scroll to the bottom of the page there is a very good comparison chart on the site of all of the contact and plasma devices. I have been using my BG to treat Mycoplasma because as you say. It is hard to find the exact frequency that will work and since there are over 200 strains of Mycoplasma, I am finding that at least in my case, the GB 4000 along with Homeopathy with a photon device has been more helpful then coiling.

[Guest guest]

Hi n,

Stolar mentioned the Mora machine several months ago and I did a huge amount of research trying to find a practitioner in land. If there is one, he/she isn't advertising. The closest I could find was New Jersey. I emailed him saying I was interested in a session and he never replied. So I finally found someone who does Zyto testing, which is very similar as I understand it. I had a session with him and he gave me a lot of info, much of which was incomprehensible as it was a chart of pathogens, physical symptoms, and numbers with pluses and minuses, none of which was explained. He did tell me that I had high levels of Lyme, among other things, but that I needed to stop killing and start detoxing. He sent me some expensive homeopathics for drainage. I felt no different at all, and if those things worked they certainly had no effect on my immune system--I came down with this virus after completing those remedies, and haven't been able to get well. On top of that, since I'd stopped coiling on his advice, my Lyme symptoms came back so I had that to deal with, too.

I wrote to tell him what had happened, and that the several hundred dollars I'd spent had done nothing for my health and had in fact had a negative effect. He offered me a free half-hour consult. The only result from that was the advice that I increase my dose of vitamin A and a couple of other supplements, none of which produced any improvement in my health.

I wish I had better results to report, as I'd been so hopeful of this technology.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of n DSent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:19 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: GB-4000 & Coil

Hi Peggy,Having read your posts, I empathize with you. If you definitely do have a virus that is knocking you about, the GB-4000 may well be capable of doing the job of getting rid of it, but as you say, you sort have to know what it is to be able to effectively attack it.A MORA machine works on the same principle as the GB-4000 as far as the treatment side, but it also has the advantage of being able to tailor the treatment to attack whatever pathogens are found in your body. It does a series of scans of the body using `contact' rods and plates and can also analyze blood, saliva, urine, faece samples to further enhance it's scope. The machine will then treat you specifically for what it finds. The machines are very expensive and involved to operate, so buying one for home is not a likely option for most people. Likewise seeing a practitioner regularly (daily?) who uses one would also become an expensive option. But, the practitioner can also make up homeopathic drops as part of the treatment such that the drops will be specific for the pathogens that were found in YOUR body. I have used MORA a number of times over the years, including the use of the homeopathic drops, and it has worked VERY WELL for me.It might be an option for you to look into.Regards,-n

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

Perhaps contacting the MORA company could lead to a practitioner conveniently

located. I think this may be the main site:

http://www.oirf.com/inst-morasuperplus.html

Adam (lymedefeater)

>

> Hi n,

>

> Stolar mentioned the Mora machine several months ago and I did a huge

> amount of research trying to find a practitioner in land. If there is

> one, he/she isn't advertising. The closest I could find was New Jersey. I

> emailed him saying I was interested in a session and he never replied. So I

> finally found someone who does Zyto testing, which is very similar as I

> understand it. I had a session with him and he gave me a lot of info, much

> of which was incomprehensible as it was a chart of pathogens, physical

> symptoms, and numbers with pluses and minuses, none of which was explained.

> He did tell me that I had high levels of Lyme, among other things, but that

> I needed to stop killing and start detoxing. He sent me some expensive

> homeopathics for drainage. I felt no different at all, and if those things

> worked they certainly had no effect on my immune system--I came down with

> this virus after completing those remedies, and haven't been able to get

> well. On top of that, since I'd stopped coiling on his advice, my Lyme

> symptoms came back so I had that to deal with, too.

>

> I wrote to tell him what had happened, and that the several hundred dollars

> I'd spent had done nothing for my health and had in fact had a negative

> effect. He offered me a free half-hour consult. The only result from that

> was the advice that I increase my dose of vitamin A and a couple of other

> supplements, none of which produced any improvement in my health.

>

> I wish I had better results to report, as I'd been so hopeful of this

> technology.

>

> Peggy

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of n D

> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:19 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: GB-4000 & Coil

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Peggy,

>

> Having read your posts, I empathize with you. If you definitely do have a

> virus that is knocking you about, the GB-4000 may well be capable of doing

> the job of getting rid of it, but as you say, you sort have to know what it

> is to be able to effectively attack it.

>

> A MORA machine works on the same principle as the GB-4000 as far as the

> treatment side, but it also has the advantage of being able to tailor the

> treatment to attack whatever pathogens are found in your body. It does a

> series of scans of the body using `contact' rods and plates and can also

> analyze blood, saliva, urine, faece samples to further enhance it's scope.

> The machine will then treat you specifically for what it finds. The

> machines are very expensive and involved to operate, so buying one for home

> is not a likely option for most people. Likewise seeing a practitioner

> regularly (daily?) who uses one would also become an expensive option. But,

> the practitioner can also make up homeopathic drops as part of the treatment

> such that the drops will be specific for the pathogens that were found in

> YOUR body.

>

> I have used MORA a number of times over the years, including the use of the

> homeopathic drops, and it has worked VERY WELL for me.

>

> It might be an option for you to look into.

>

> Regards,

> -n

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peggy,

I found the link to the video on Lumenenergetics.

http://www.lumenergetics.com/Lumenergetics.com/Tutorial.html

Also if you have difficulty with accuracy muscle testing, it could be your

polarity was reversed when your practitioner tested you. Unfortunately, most

practitioners don't think to check polarity and that can really cause an

inaccurate reading. Sick people often have reversed polarity, so there are

techniques for reversing polarity back. EFT can reverse polarity back or you

can take bee pollen for a few days and then try again. Muscle testing can be

tricky when it comes to testing people who are chronically ill and many

practitioners forget this.

>

> Thanks, . What a drag--this is not an option for me as I've had

> terrible luck with muscle testing. I once ended up in the hospital after

> depending on muscle testing which kept saying I had no gallbladder problem

> and that my pain was caused by something else. I believed it right up to

> the hospitalization that resulted in gallbladder surgery. Maybe the problem

> was the practitioner I was seeing, but that was five years ago and I've

> never had muscle testing again. I don't know why it doesn't work for me, as

> it seems to be great for other people.

>

> When I google Lumenenergetics I just get a lot of advanced scientific sites

> about lights and who knows what else that have nothing to do with this

> therapy. So I went to the Yahoo group and read some there, since it's not

> completely closed to non-members. It looks exciting and very helpful, but I

> see no option for doing it without being able to muscle test. Unless

> possibly I could depend on the info I have from blood tests and other

> labs--like the info on my mercury levels, my low antibodies, my Bb load,

> etc.

>

> I've tried pendulums too--no reliable results there either. And by

> " reliable results " I mean something that leads to improvement by using the

> recommended modality. I've tried testing myself, and also had practitioners

> do it--an acupuncturist, also a chiropractor. Nothing has ever produced

> beneficial results. I'd love to be able to see the video you mention so I

> checked YouTube but can't find anything there either.

>

> I'll write you privately for info on the guy who has good prices on the

> GB-4000. And thanks so much for all this info, and for sharing your

> experiences of what's worked best for you.

>

> Peggy

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ]

> On Behalf Of musiclady

> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:29 PM

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Subject: Re: GB-4000 & Coil

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Peggy,

>

> What Connie mentions in her book is exactly what I am doing. A group of us

> got in on a group buy of a Photonic Device called the PE1 which is similar

> to the Bionic 880 used by Dr. Woitzel. The PE1 has been used successfully

> with various dilutions of the organism for which you are treating taped to

> your solar plexus, then the photonic light is shined into acupuncture points

> around the body. I have gone through the whole Mycoplasma kit. I started at

> 2x, then went to 6x, then 12x, then 30x, 60x, 100x, 200x, 500x, 1000k,

> 2000k, now I am at 5,000K and really herxing running the light on each of

> the specific 10 points. You do not move up in potency until your body no

> longer tests at the specific dilution of the remedy you are using. I

> averaged 3-4 treatments on each dilution.

>

> The other day, I ran the light for 10 seconds per point and that caused too

> big of a herx so I backed down to 5 seconds per point this morning. The

> thing I love about this treatment is that it is so fast compared to rife. I

> also can use dilutions of vials of mercury, Lead, Aluminum, Ammonia and use

> the same protocol to entrain my body to rid itself of these toxins. This is

> a very useful and perhaps the best modality that I have found for treating

> Lyme besides the coil. It is the best detox modality that I have found.

>

> I learned about this modality in another yahoo group called the Bionic 880,

> PE 1 group. Sheryl who is the moderator and cured herself of Lyme using this

> modality and is now teaching practitioners about the modality, also has a

> site called Lumenenergetics, you can google it and it should come up. It has

> an instruction video which I haven't really watched much, but hope to spend

> more time watching it. In order to do this therapy, you either need someone

> who is good at muscle testing or you need to be good at testing yourself.

>

> As far as price on the GB 4000, I do know a guy who will get the GB 4000

> with amplifier and everything you need for around $1750.000. If you need his

> email, conatact me privately.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Adam. I've just written to them to see whether they have a practitioners list, and told them I live in land. We'll see what they say.

Peggy

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of lymedefeaterSent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:50 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: GB-4000 & Coil

Hi Peggy,Perhaps contacting the MORA company could lead to a practitioner conveniently located. I think this may be the main site: http://www.oirf.com/inst-morasuperplus.htmlAdam (lymedefeater)