Re: chewable probiotics?

June 1, 2010

JeanieWe wanted to give the Kirkman's Pro Bio Gold a try and bought the 60 count capsule. However, we have held back on it after seeing the email from couple of members from this group that their child had repeated strep infection while on Kirkmans. I am little hesitant to give it if it causes strep infection. The bottle is still lying in our refrigerator. what has been your experience with Kirkaman's probiotioc?ThanksRam.To: miralax From: dreamjeanie@...Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:29:58 -0700Subject: Re: chewable probiotics?

Venus, That's a sure sign something in it didn't agree with her. I'm not 100% certain about this, but I believe that this is a man made strain. I thought I read this somewhere but can't find it at the moment. Also, It contains dairy, whey, casein, microcrystalline cellulose. Not sure if your child has a dairy or casein allergy, but this may be an indication.

http://www.culturelle.com/files/culturelle/pdf/Culturelle_supplement_facts_EDH30.pdf

Here's what I mean.............

For years scientists had studied health benefits of a "good" bacteria called lactobacillus found in foods like yogurt, milk and certain cheeses. Of the strains they were able to isolate and test, they found that most could not consistently survive the strong acids of the stomach and intestinal bile.

Enter Dr. Sherwood L. Gorbach and Barry R. Goldin. These two doctors embraced the challenge and set out to discover the ultimate probiotic power - a strain strong enough, sticky enough, fertile enough to survive the stomach acids and colonize in the intestines successfully.

What they found was Lactobacillus GG. A probiotic unlike any other.Culturelle vs. Other Probiotics

Most people I've spoke to say Lactobacillus Rhamous is the one to take for constipation. We had wonderful results with kirkman chewable. I wouldn't do a one size fits all b/c of her reaction. I'd go with a natural probiotic from a Chiro or Kirkman, the one's that need to be refrigerated. They are live bacteria and it makes me wonder when they start doing funky things with them that can stay on shelves.

Jeanie

To: miralax Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 3:07:53 PMSubject: Re: chewable probiotics?

we are almost positive that culterelle made our daughter more aggressive and depressed. after 5 weeks of the worst raging ever..we stopped it 10 days ago....and she is back to normal now for about a week or so.still giving the attune though. it does not seem to bother her>>

Marg, are you sure you can't have these? They were made specifically for diabetics. The xylitol and sorbital aren' t suppose to feed yeast, or change your glucose level, this is why they created them? I'd hate to see you pass up something that could help you. Have you asked your doctor?

From: Marg Messick <margmessick@ yahoo.com>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:25:27 AMSubject: RE: chewable probiotics?

it has sorbitol and i can't have any sugar ,artificial or regular. sugar in any form is bad for the body as is pastrys white flour,rice,milk cheese and much more which i stay away from. thanks marg

From: Renae Schley <raeschleygmail (DOT) com>Subject: RE: chewable probiotics?To: miralax@yahoogroups .comDate: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:50 AM

Active Ingredients: lactobillus rhamnosus, bifodobacterium longum, lactobillus acidophilus

Other ingredients: sorbitol, xylitol, cellulose, natural cherry flavor, citric acid, silica, magnesium stearate, ascorbic acid

From: miralax@yahoogroups .com [mailto:miralax@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jeanie wardSent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:38 PMTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comSubject: Re: chewable probiotics?

I'm not a fan of Nature's Way, most of the products I've seen, like my husbands Vitamins contain PEG. Does it contain PEG?

From: Renae Schley <raeschleygmail (DOT) com>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Wed, May 26, 2010 9:45:15 AMSubject: RE: chewable probiotics?

We just bought one at a natural foods store yesterday that my daughter, almost 3, liked. It’s made by Nature’s Way and its called Primadophilus kids. They have cherry and orange. Then there is one for older kids, it think its another raspberry flavor. This one you take once daily and the bottle needs to be kept refrigerated. It’s a 3 strain formula for kids age 2-12. It’s a small white bottle with a yellow lid.

From: miralax@yahoogroups .com [mailto:miralax@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tracie HappelSent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:50 AMTo: miralax@yahoogroups .comSubject: chewable probiotics?

Does anyone know of some GREAT tasting chewable probiotics my ds could take? Right now we use a powder and he hates it. Kirkman's didn't work - he doesn't like the taste. Thanks!!

June 2, 2010

no, they are a white pill that resembles a tylenol tablet. It's made with xylitol which is sweet and they kind of chew up like a tums.

To: miralax Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:50:02 AMSubject: Re: chewable probiotics?

Jeanie,

In what form do the Kirkman's chewables come? Are they like gummies?

From: jeanie ward <dreamjeanie@ att.net>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Tue, June 1, 2010 7:00:15 AMSubject: Re: chewable probiotics?

These probiotics are only sold to health care practitioners (Chiro's etc.) This is the one ours recommended. Haven't tried as she won't take a powder. The only one she'll take is Kirkman's chewable.

http://www.metageni cs.com/

http://www.metageni cs.com/products/ a-z-products- list/Proboulardi

From: Lillu <lillu0314yahoo (DOT) com>To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Tue, June 1, 2010 12:22:30 AMSubject: Re: chewable probiotics?

Hi Renae, Can you post a link to the one you are giving to your 2 y/o? I am currently looking for a pro-b, but a bit hesitant. tried one that ended up causing her to be constipated (had whey, egg and milk).Thanks,Lillu

From: Renae Schley <raeschleygmail (DOT) com>To: venus@...; miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Tue, June 1, 2010 12:49:43 AMSubject: Re: chewable probiotics?

When I went to purchase culturelle, the health food store strongly cautioned against it for a child. They said that it is the strongest they carry, with all the bacterias listed at a dose of 10billion. The brand that my husband and I use (Jarro) is only at 5 billion, and the one we settled on for our 2 yr old is at 3billion, with strains specific to a childâ€™s GI tract, whereas culturelle is specific to an adults GI tract. I encourage you to not give up on probiotics, there are different strains and doses, I think youâ€™ll find one that works and gives pleasing results J

June 2, 2010

Ram, when we first started out with it she did get some strep infections but so did my other dd and it was hard to tell if it was just that time of year all the kids get it in school. Or if the other dd gave it to her? Or if it were caused by the probiotic? As sometimes it was only her that had it? I was hesitant if it was coming form the probiotic or not? I continued with it b/c I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence? (She tends to try to say, "I can't take them, they make me sick" about anything that could help her go including mango!!! LOL!) although, I really believe that these children are nauseaous as my dd's been nauseaous since her first dose of Miralax and it has never went away and this is several times a day for 10 years now. I believe their bodies are too acidic and this is why they

refuse any citrus, get lots of canker sores, etc.

I can say that I've given it to her many time and she didn't get sick. Then another Mom said the same thing. That her child kept getting reoccuring strep and it made me wonder?????? Over time though, she didn't get it anymore and it's the only one she'll take. I am reordering them again this week as this hasn't happened in about a year. I'm not sure if they are related or if her body was reacting to the strep strain that's in them? It may have been that they are reacting to them this way b/c their immune systems are compremised.

It may be good to add that strain so thier body builds up immunity. Over time she didn't get it anymore? I'm not sure but would give them again as it didn't happen anyomore over time. And I've taken them myself and it doesn't happen. It's hard to say what will happen if you give the Miralax kids anything, as they were an experiement. It never happened to me though.............I take them with her so she's not scared and to give reassurance.

here's another analogy..........years ago if you had strep, the docs used to give antibiotics right away, they recently changed the protocol to waiting 24 hours> They did this because they found out that if you wait, the body builds immunity to it and the chances of reoccurance lessen. Giving antibiotics immediately gives the body no time to build immunity. If they did cause this in the beginning, I believe she may have built immunity to the strain which is a good thing.

When I was little, I got strep like 10 times that year, it wasn't until my sister told me about waiting before you take an antibiotic that i never got it again.

Fever's work the same way, they fight infection. We hinder that when giving tylenol immediately, etc.

With that said, I'd have no problem giving them to my children and I take them myself.

To: miralax Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 12:19:50 PMSubject: RE: chewable probiotics?

JeanieWe wanted to give the Kirkman's Pro Bio Gold a try and bought the 60 count capsule. However, we have held back on it after seeing the email from couple of members from this group that their child had repeated strep infection while on Kirkmans. I am little hesitant to give it if it causes strep infection. The bottle is still lying in our refrigerator. what has been your experience with Kirkaman's probiotioc?ThanksRam.

To: miralax@yahoogroups .comFrom: dreamjeanie@ att.netDate: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:29:58 -0700Subject: Re: chewable probiotics?

Venus, That's a sure sign something in it didn't agree with her. I'm not 100% certain about this, but I believe that this is a man made strain. I thought I read this somewhere but can't find it at the moment. Also, It contains dairy, whey, casein, microcrystalline cellulose. Not sure if your child has a dairy or casein allergy, but this may be an indication.

http://www.culturel le.com/files/ culturelle/ pdf/Culturelle_ supplement_ facts_EDH30. pdf

Here's what I mean........ ..... For years scientists had studied health benefits of a "good" bacteria called lactobacillus found in foods like yogurt, milk and certain cheeses. Of the strains they were able to isolate and test, they found that most could not consistently survive the strong acids of the stomach and intestinal bile. Enter Dr. Sherwood L. Gorbach and Barry R. Goldin. These two doctors embraced the challenge and set out to discover the ultimate probiotic power - a strain strong enough, sticky enough, fertile enough to survive the stomach acids and colonize in the intestines successfully. What they found was Lactobacillus GG. A probiotic unlike any other.Culturelle vs. Other Probiotics

Most people I've spoke to say Lactobacillus Rhamous is the one to take for constipation. We had wonderful results with kirkman chewable. I wouldn't do a one size fits all b/c of her reaction. I'd go with a natural probiotic from a Chiro or Kirkman, the one's that need to be refrigerated. They are live bacteria and it makes me wonder when they start doing funky things with them that can stay on shelves.

Jeanie

To: miralax@yahoogroups .comSent: Mon, May 31, 2010 3:07:53 PMSubject: Re: chewable probiotics? we are almost positive that culterelle made our daughter more aggressive and depressed. after 5 weeks of the worst raging ever..we stopped it 10 days ago....and she is back to normal now for about a week or so.still giving the attune though. it does not seem to bother her>>