Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Craig: I believe the issue is that chiropractors want mobilization lumped under manipulation, so that would preclude us from utilizing and billing for mobilization techniques. It is once again primarily a turf war issue rather than an issue born out of professional concerns. G. Flickinger, PT Butturff, Craig wrote: Thanks I found it and as a PT I was happy to hear the news. But, what about PT's doing manipulations that appears to be the hot topic. Some PT's ("may or may not") for example do not want Chiropractors to do modalities and in turn some Chiropractors ("may or may not")for example do not want PTs to do manipulations. Why or why not? Just curious what the average PT thinks. Craig M.S.P.T. CHIROPRACTOR INVOLVED IN AQUATIC THERAPY SCAM > > > > Thought you'd find this interesting. > > > > CHIROPRACTOR INVOLVED IN AQUATIC THERAPY SCAM > > Dickson, a chiropractor and investor in a program of aquatic therapy > > called "AquaHab," was sentenced to five years probation, a $10,000 > fine, and > > $1,564.30 restitution for insurance fraud when he misrepresented pool > > aerobics classes as reimbursable physical therapy, Harry Litman, U.S. > > Attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania, said on July 15. Dickson > > also illegally performed initial evaluations of patients and wrote > > physicians orders and reports under another physician's name, Litman said. > > Those physican reports and orders were sent to Three Rivers Physical > Therapy > > and Occupational Therapy as a means to fraudulently bill insurers. Three > > other participants in the AquaHab scheme--ph Edlestein, , > > and Spatz--previously pleaded guilty to health care fraud, Litman > > said. > > > > COMPLIANCE MONITOR > > July 28, 1999 > > Vol. 2, No. 30 > > > > R. Kovacek, MSA, PT > > Email Pkovacek@... > > 313 884-8920 > > Visit <www.PTManager.com> > > > > TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > - Simplifying group communications > > > R. Kovacek, MSA, PT Email Pkovacek@... 313 884-8920 Visit <www.PTManager.com> TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications R. Kovacek, MSA, PT Email Pkovacek@... 313 884-8920 Visit <www.PTManager.com> TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Thanks I found it and as a PT I was happy to hear the news. But, what about PT's doing manipulations that appears to be the hot topic. Some PT's ( " may or may not " ) for example do not want Chiropractors to do modalities and in turn some Chiropractors ( " may or may not " )for example do not want PTs to do manipulations. Why or why not? Just curious what the average PT thinks. Craig M.S.P.T. CHIROPRACTOR INVOLVED IN AQUATIC THERAPY SCAM > > > > Thought you'd find this interesting. > > > > CHIROPRACTOR INVOLVED IN AQUATIC THERAPY SCAM > > Dickson, a chiropractor and investor in a program of aquatic therapy > > called " AquaHab, " was sentenced to five years probation, a $10,000 > fine, and > > $1,564.30 restitution for insurance fraud when he misrepresented pool > > aerobics classes as reimbursable physical therapy, Harry Litman, U.S. > > Attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania, said on July 15. Dickson > > also illegally performed initial evaluations of patients and wrote > > physicians orders and reports under another physician's name, Litman said. > > Those physican reports and orders were sent to Three Rivers Physical > Therapy > > and Occupational Therapy as a means to fraudulently bill insurers. Three > > other participants in the AquaHab scheme--ph Edlestein, , > > and Spatz--previously pleaded guilty to health care fraud, Litman > > said. > > > > COMPLIANCE MONITOR > > July 28, 1999 > > Vol. 2, No. 30 > > > > R. Kovacek, MSA, PT > > Email Pkovacek@... > > 313 884-8920 > > Visit <www.PTManager.com> > > > > TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager > - Simplifying group communications > > > R. Kovacek, MSA, PT Email Pkovacek@... 313 884-8920 Visit <www.PTManager.com> TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications R. Kovacek, MSA, PT Email Pkovacek@... 313 884-8920 Visit <www.PTManager.com> TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/ptmanager - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Ok, I'll wade into this one. I view the relationship btwn PTs and Chiros no differently than btwn PTs and any other health care provider. As far as the scope of practice goes that would all depend on what state you are practicing in. Generally, I view PT scope of practice as encompassing every treatment technique that is chiropractic and chiropractic encompassing manipulation/mobilization of the spine and superficially some physical agents. Recently, chiros have tried to expand their scope of practice in many states to include more physical agents and therapeutic exercise. In my opinion they do not have the education to support this expanded scope of practice. Manipulation or mobilization is semantics as far as I am concerned. Each one is a skilled passive movement to a joint. PTs have a responsibility to coordinate their treatment with any other health care provider actively treating the patient. One of the reasons for coordinating the treatment is to ensure there is not duplication of services. If one of my patients is seeing a chiro and I am treating the same body part then I usually ask the patient to make a choice btwn the chiro and me. The primary reason for this is that in most cases my treatment plan would be duplicative to the chiro treatment. I will not, as many PTs do, give up part of my scope of practice to the chiro by not doing manipulations. If I can make one more generalization, in the thousands of cases I have reviewed PT/Chiro dual treatment is problematic. Patients often receive duplicative services, the length of treatment is longer than with just PT and the outcome is less satisfactory than PT alone. Did I stir the pot enough to get a response from some lurkers? "G. Flickinger" wrote: Craig: I believe the issue is that chiropractors want mobilization lumped under manipulation, so that would preclude us from utilizing and billing for mobilization techniques. It is once again primarily a turf war issue rather than an issue born out of professional concerns. G. Flickinger, PT Butturff, Craig wrote: Thanks I found it and as a PT I was happy to hear the news. But, what about PT's doing manipulations that appears to be the hot topic. Some PT's ("may or may not") for example do not want Chiropractors to do modalities and in turn some Chiropractors ("may or may not")for example do not want PTs to do manipulations. Why or why not? Just curious what the average PT thinks. Craig M.S.P.T. CHIROPRACTOR INVOLVED IN AQUATIC THERAPY SCAM > > > > Thought you'd find this interesting. > > > > CHIROPRACTOR INVOLVED IN AQUATIC THERAPY SCAM > > Dickson, a chiropractor and investor in a program of aquatic therapy > > called "AquaHab," was sentenced to five years probation, a $10,000 > fine, and > > $1,564.30 restitution for insurance fraud when he misrepresented pool > > aerobics classes as reimbursable physical therapy, Harry Litman, U.S. > > Attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania, said on July 15. Dickson > > also illegally performed initial evaluations of patients and wrote > > physicians orders and reports under another physician's name, Litman said. > > Those physican reports and orders were sent to Three Rivers Physical > Therapy > > and Occupational Therapy as a means to fraudulently bill insurers. Three > > other participants in the AquaHab scheme--ph Edlestein, , > > and Spatz--previously pleaded guilty to health care fraud, Litman > > said. > > > > COMPLIANCE MONITOR > > July 28, 1999 > > Vol. 2, No. 30 > > > > R. Kovacek, MSA, PT > > Email Pkovacek@... > > 313 884-8920 > > Visit <www.PTManager.com> > > > > TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ! Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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