Guest guest Posted April 25, 1999 Report Share Posted April 25, 1999 My inpatient acute area has had 7 day coverage for the entire 10 years I've been with this organization. I've always considered it a very basic patient care issue. Our weekend/holiday coverage has generally been half day with the intent of seeing all of the acute care patients once. The clinical need is definitely there. We do a lot of joint replacements on Tuesdays and Thursdays (who are typically ready for discharge on Saturday and Monday). All of our routine post-acute referral agencies (rehab, subacute, home care) are all prepared to admit new patients 7 days a week, so the structures are all in place whenever the patient is ready. Staffing is done entirely with regular department staff (including both the normal inpatient and outpatient therapists) and everyone works one weekend every 4. My normal staffing is 2 PTs on the inpatient side and 5 PTs in the outpatient area. That makes a total of 8 available PTs (including myself) to rotate two at a time through the weekends. After working a half day Saturday and a half day Sunday, the therapist will take a day off during the following week. The outpatient therapists usually just schedule their patient appointments around that day when they work the weekend, and coverage for a regular inpatient therapist on those days off is usually provided by me. No special incentives are provided for weekend coverage, since it is a basic expectation of the job and applies equally to every PT in the department from myself on down. Everyone was hired knowing that this was an expectation of the position, regardless of whether they were hired primarily for the inpatient or outpatient areas. Hope that helps... Ken Tuley, PT Rehab Services Manager Cape Canaveral Hospital >>> 04/22/99 09:20PM >>> Another topic! PT Managers, I need your help. We are an inpatient acute/rehab facility, now in a position to be able to hire enough per diem and part time help to be able to reasonably provide some degree of 7 day a week coverage. (This of course, has been a long time request of Ortho docs.) Unfortunately, I have some concerns, after meeting with staff, about dept. morale, etc. once this is implemented, (tenatively 7/1/99). Some legitimate concerns of our staff are: 1. Are we doing this for purely financial reasons? 2.Is patient satisfaction and insurer concerns, (i.e, idle time on Sundays/holidays legitimate reasons for pursuing this additional staffing?) 3. Are the docs really going to follow through with getting these patients discharged on Sat / Sunday, when PT recommends they are ready, or have d/c'd them from therapy? (in order to help reduce LOS to HOME.) Or are we simply increasing hospitalization costs by providing more intensive services, without seeing a justifiable decrease in LOS, due to lack of participation in this initiative, on the part of the physicians. What has been your experience in this regard? Please provide me with the following information: 1. Are you currently providing some type of coverage to acute Ortho, and hospital based skilled unit patients on Sundays and/or holidays? 2. If so, are you seeing all of them or are you using a prioritization system? If prioritizing, what is your prioritization design and rationale for same? 3. If you are providing Sunday and / or holiday coverage, what type of continuity of care issues have you encountered, and how have you dealt with them? (Primary concern is our Rehab unit, where, because of comp time issues, therapist attendance at patient staffings, which are conducted by physician, could be impacted, because team members usually attend portions of staffings several days a week to accomodate all physicians.) 4. As managers, are you participating in weekend coverage along with your staff in order to address the morale issue? If so, how frequently? 5. What is the average number of weekends your staff are working, if providing Sat. and Sunday coverage? 6. Are you utilizing any types of pay incentives, etc. for weekend coverage? I really appreciate your input! Thanks in advance......(By the way, at the present time, we work a full day Saturday, see Rehab, Ortho, Skilled, all new evals, some acute neuro, and wound care. Do hi priority wound care on Sun. and holidays 1 x dly.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 wrote: Original Article: /list/ptmanager/?start=5034 > My inpatient acute area has had 7 day coverage for the entire 10 years I've been with this organization. I've always considered it a very basic patient care issue. Our weekend/holiday coverage has generally been half day with the intent of seeing all of the acute care patients once. The clinical need is definitely there. We do a lot of joint replacements on Tuesdays and Thursdays (who are typically ready for discharge on Saturday and Monday). All of our routine post-acute referral agencies (rehab, subacute, home care) are all prepared to admit new patients 7 days a week, so the structures are all in place whenever the patient is ready. > > Staffing is done entirely with regular department staff (including both the normal inpatient and outpatient therapists) and everyone works one weekend every 4. My normal staffing is 2 PTs on the inpatient side and 5 PTs in the outpatient area. That makes a total of 8 available PTs (including myself) to rotate two at a time through the weekends. After working a half day Saturday and a half day Sunday, the therapist will take a day off during the following week. The outpatient therapists usually just schedule their patient appointments around that day when they work the weekend, and coverage for a regular inpatient therapist on those days off is usually provided by me. > > No special incentives are provided for weekend coverage, since it is a basic expectation of the job and applies equally to every PT in the department from myself on down. Everyone was hired knowing that this was an expectation of the position, regardless of whether they were hired primarily for the inpatient or outpatient areas. > > Hope that helps... > Ken Tuley, PT > Rehab Services Manager > Cape Canaveral Hospital > > >>> 04/22/99 09:20PM >>> > Another topic! PT Managers, I need your help. We are an inpatient > acute/rehab facility, now in a position to be able to hire enough per diem > and part time help to be able to reasonably provide some degree of 7 day a > week coverage. (This of course, has been a long time request of Ortho docs.) > Unfortunately, I have some concerns, after meeting with staff, about dept. > morale, etc. once this is implemented, (tenatively 7/1/99). Some legitimate > concerns of our staff are: > 1. Are we doing this for purely financial reasons? > 2.Is patient satisfaction and insurer concerns, (i.e, idle time on > Sundays/holidays legitimate reasons for pursuing this additional staffing?) > 3. Are the docs really going to follow through with getting these patients > discharged on Sat / Sunday, when PT recommends they are ready, or have d/c'd > them from therapy? (in order to help reduce LOS to HOME.) Or are we simply > increasing hospitalization costs by providing more intensive services, > without seeing a justifiable decrease in LOS, due to lack of participation in > this initiative, on the part of the physicians. What has been your > experience in this regard? > Please provide me with the following information: > 1. Are you currently providing some type of coverage to acute Ortho, and > hospital based skilled unit patients on Sundays and/or holidays? > 2. If so, are you seeing all of them or are you using a prioritization > system? If prioritizing, what is your prioritization design and rationale > for same? > 3. If you are providing Sunday and / or holiday coverage, what type of > continuity of care issues have you encountered, and how have you dealt with > them? (Primary concern is our Rehab unit, where, because of comp time > issues, therapist attendance at patient staffings, which are conducted by > physician, could be impacted, because team members usually attend portions > of staffings several days a week to accomodate all physicians.) > 4. As managers, are you participating in weekend coverage along with your > staff in order to address the morale issue? If so, how frequently? > 5. What is the average number of weekends your staff are working, if > providing Sat. and Sunday coverage? > 6. Are you utilizing any types of pay incentives, etc. for weekend coverage? > > I really appreciate your input! Thanks in advance......(By the way, at the > present time, we work a full day Saturday, see Rehab, Ortho, Skilled, all new > evals, some acute neuro, and wound care. Do hi priority wound care on Sun. > and holidays 1 x dly.) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 wrote: I am very glad to see this discussion on PT manager. I have been a manager of PT Services at a small community hospital for ten years. I have never been comfortable defining what I do as only important Monday through Friday. We have always had PT services Monday through Saturday. We went to full day seven day coverage at my insistence in Feb 1999. We currently service our subacute unit and our orthopedic unit., as well as new evals, My patient's needs are now being met effectively especially the TJR patients that have Thursday and Friday OR time. As with Mr. Ken Tuley's response, ALL of my routine post acute referrals settings are prepared to admit 7 days a week. When confonting changes, let me suggest that one asks the question: Will it benefit my patients?? If the answer is YES then you can never go wrong. Financials play a part, and staff issues are always going to be there. I would be willing to bet though, that your seasoned or experienced PTs will not have a problem with this...but the x generation people (, who may have joined our profession at the time when the hours looked great, the opportunities abundant and the pay wonderful) , may not like this expectation. I would be happy to go over any specifics about priorization, pay incentives etc. Just wanted to send my general thoughts on the topic..........Thanks Kessler Lynn PT Virtua Health : West Jersey Hospital Marlton Original Article: /list/ptmanager/?start=5034 > My inpatient acute area has had 7 day coverage for the entire 10 years I've been with this organization. I've always considered it a very basic patient care issue. Our weekend/holiday coverage has generally been half day with the intent of seeing all of the acute care patients once. The clinical need is definitely there. We do a lot of joint replacements on Tuesdays and Thursdays (who are typically ready for discharge on Saturday and Monday). All of our routine post-acute referral agencies (rehab, subacute, home care) are all prepared to admit new patients 7 days a week, so the structures are all in place whenever the patient is ready. > > Staffing is done entirely with regular department staff (including both the normal inpatient and outpatient therapists) and everyone works one weekend every 4. My normal staffing is 2 PTs on the inpatient side and 5 PTs in the outpatient area. That makes a total of 8 available PTs (including myself) to rotate two at a time through the weekends. After working a half day Saturday and a half day Sunday, the therapist will take a day off during the following week. The outpatient therapists usually just schedule their patient appointments around that day when they work the weekend, and coverage for a regular inpatient therapist on those days off is usually provided by me. > > No special incentives are provided for weekend coverage, since it is a basic expectation of the job and applies equally to every PT in the department from myself on down. Everyone was hired knowing that this was an expectation of the position, regardless of whether they were hired primarily for the inpatient or outpatient areas. > > Hope that helps... > Ken Tuley, PT > Rehab Services Manager > Cape Canaveral Hospital > > >>> 04/22/99 09:20PM >>> > Another topic! PT Managers, I need your help. We are an inpatient > acute/rehab facility, now in a position to be able to hire enough per diem > and part time help to be able to reasonably provide some degree of 7 day a > week coverage. (This of course, has been a long time request of Ortho docs.) > Unfortunately, I have some concerns, after meeting with staff, about dept. > morale, etc. once this is implemented, (tenatively 7/1/99). Some legitimate > concerns of our staff are: > 1. Are we doing this for purely financial reasons? > 2.Is patient satisfaction and insurer concerns, (i.e, idle time on > Sundays/holidays legitimate reasons for pursuing this additional staffing?) > 3. Are the docs really going to follow through with getting these patients > discharged on Sat / Sunday, when PT recommends they are ready, or have d/c'd > them from therapy? (in order to help reduce LOS to HOME.) Or are we simply > increasing hospitalization costs by providing more intensive services, > without seeing a justifiable decrease in LOS, due to lack of participation in > this initiative, on the part of the physicians. What has been your > experience in this regard? > Please provide me with the following information: > 1. Are you currently providing some type of coverage to acute Ortho, and > hospital based skilled unit patients on Sundays and/or holidays? > 2. If so, are you seeing all of them or are you using a prioritization > system? If prioritizing, what is your prioritization design and rationale > for same? > 3. If you are providing Sunday and / or holiday coverage, what type of > continuity of care issues have you encountered, and how have you dealt with > them? (Primary concern is our Rehab unit, where, because of comp time > issues, therapist attendance at patient staffings, which are conducted by > physician, could be impacted, because team members usually attend portions > of staffings several days a week to accomodate all physicians.) > 4. As managers, are you participating in weekend coverage along with your > staff in order to address the morale issue? If so, how frequently? > 5. What is the average number of weekends your staff are working, if > providing Sat. and Sunday coverage? > 6. Are you utilizing any types of pay incentives, etc. for weekend coverage? > > I really appreciate your input! Thanks in advance......(By the way, at the > present time, we work a full day Saturday, see Rehab, Ortho, Skilled, all new > evals, some acute neuro, and wound care. Do hi priority wound care on Sun. > and holidays 1 x dly.) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 We also treat 7 days a week in our small rural hospital (60 beds). Saturday treatment was started in the 70's and are just part of our rountine now. Sunday coverage was instituted about two years ago. Sunday coverage is provided by a PTA as part of her regular work week (which no one seems to mind!) ; the PTA can call in any new evals either to myself or the Sr. PT for coverage - in two years this has only happened once. The PTA is an hourly position and as such she recieves a weekend differential. Saturday coverage is done on a rotating basis by all the PTs including myself, this works out to a weekend rotation every 7 weeks. When working Saturday the PT gets the previous Monday off, outpatients are scheduled around this and we rarely have a problem fitting all of our patients in. All inpatients are seen on Saturday and high priority patients are seen on Sunday (Ortho, Cardiac Rehab, wounds and anyone else the PT deems high priority on Saturday). Doctors often discharge patients on Saturdays and Sundays after their PT sessions, so that average LOS is around 4.5 days for most patients. I must add that I'm very lucky to have a wonderful, cohesive group. Often other staff members will come in the help each other on the weekend without recieving any monetary benefit! Eileen Pruzansky, Director Rehab Services Brattleboro Memorial Hospital, VT slynn@... wrote: > wrote: > I am very glad to see this discussion on PT manager. I have been a manager of PT Services at a small community hospital for ten years. I have never been comfortable defining what I do as only important Monday through Friday. > > We have always had PT services Monday through Saturday. We went to full day seven day coverage at my insistence in Feb 1999. We currently service our subacute unit and our orthopedic unit., as well as new evals, My patient's needs are now being met effectively especially the TJR patients that have Thursday and Friday OR time. As with Mr. Ken Tuley's response, ALL of my routine post acute referrals settings are prepared to admit 7 days a week. > When confonting changes, let me suggest that one asks the question: Will it benefit my patients?? If the answer is YES then you can never go wrong. Financials play a part, and staff issues are always going to be there. I would be willing to bet though, that your seasoned or experienced PTs will not have a problem with this...but the x generation people (, who may have joined our profession at the time when the hours looked great, the opportunities abundant and the pay wonderful) , may not like this expectation. > > I would be happy to go over any specifics about priorization, pay incentives etc. > Just wanted to send my general thoughts on the topic..........Thanks > Kessler Lynn PT > Virtua Health : West Jersey Hospital Marlton > > > > Original Article: /list/ptmanager/?start=5034 > > My inpatient acute area has had 7 day coverage for the entire 10 years I've been with this organization. I've always considered it a very basic patient care issue. Our weekend/holiday coverage has generally been half day with the intent of seeing all of the acute care patients once. The clinical need is definitely there. We do a lot of joint replacements on Tuesdays and Thursdays (who are typically ready for discharge on Saturday and Monday). All of our routine post-acute referral agencies (rehab, subacute, home care) are all prepared to admit new patients 7 days a week, so the structures are all in place whenever the patient is ready. > > > > Staffing is done entirely with regular department staff (including both the normal inpatient and outpatient therapists) and everyone works one weekend every 4. My normal staffing is 2 PTs on the inpatient side and 5 PTs in the outpatient area. That makes a total of 8 available PTs (including myself) to rotate two at a time through the weekends. After working a half day Saturday and a half day Sunday, the therapist will take a day off during the following week. The outpatient therapists usually just schedule their patient appointments around that day when they work the weekend, and coverage for a regular inpatient therapist on those days off is usually provided by me. > > > > No special incentives are provided for weekend coverage, since it is a basic expectation of the job and applies equally to every PT in the department from myself on down. Everyone was hired knowing that this was an expectation of the position, regardless of whether they were hired primarily for the inpatient or outpatient areas. > > > > Hope that helps... > > Ken Tuley, PT > > Rehab Services Manager > > Cape Canaveral Hospital > > > > >>> 04/22/99 09:20PM >>> > > Another topic! PT Managers, I need your help. We are an inpatient > > acute/rehab facility, now in a position to be able to hire enough per diem > > and part time help to be able to reasonably provide some degree of 7 day a > > week coverage. (This of course, has been a long time request of Ortho docs.) > > Unfortunately, I have some concerns, after meeting with staff, about dept. > > morale, etc. once this is implemented, (tenatively 7/1/99). Some legitimate > > concerns of our staff are: > > 1. Are we doing this for purely financial reasons? > > 2.Is patient satisfaction and insurer concerns, (i.e, idle time on > > Sundays/holidays legitimate reasons for pursuing this additional staffing?) > > 3. Are the docs really going to follow through with getting these patients > > discharged on Sat / Sunday, when PT recommends they are ready, or have d/c'd > > them from therapy? (in order to help reduce LOS to HOME.) Or are we simply > > increasing hospitalization costs by providing more intensive services, > > without seeing a justifiable decrease in LOS, due to lack of participation in > > this initiative, on the part of the physicians. What has been your > > experience in this regard? > > Please provide me with the following information: > > 1. Are you currently providing some type of coverage to acute Ortho, and > > hospital based skilled unit patients on Sundays and/or holidays? > > 2. If so, are you seeing all of them or are you using a prioritization > > system? If prioritizing, what is your prioritization design and rationale > > for same? > > 3. If you are providing Sunday and / or holiday coverage, what type of > > continuity of care issues have you encountered, and how have you dealt with > > them? (Primary concern is our Rehab unit, where, because of comp time > > issues, therapist attendance at patient staffings, which are conducted by > > physician, could be impacted, because team members usually attend portions > > of staffings several days a week to accomodate all physicians.) > > 4. As managers, are you participating in weekend coverage along with your > > staff in order to address the morale issue? If so, how frequently? > > 5. What is the average number of weekends your staff are working, if > > providing Sat. and Sunday coverage? > > 6. Are you utilizing any types of pay incentives, etc. for weekend coverage? > > > > I really appreciate your input! Thanks in advance......(By the way, at the > > present time, we work a full day Saturday, see Rehab, Ortho, Skilled, all new > > evals, some acute neuro, and wound care. Do hi priority wound care on Sun. > > and holidays 1 x dly.) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 We also treat 7 days a week in acute for PT, 7 days for wound care, and 6 days a week for OT, SP. What we are now running into is the question of if we treat twice a day M-F, and only once a day on the weekends, is that 2 different standards of care? How have others dealt with this? In our inpatient rehab, it's 7 days for ortho patients for PT (and anyone else that needs it on Sunday), and M-S for PT, OT, SP and TR, and M-F for Psychology. All holidays except Thanksgiving and Christmas are scheduled like a Saturday, and we attempt to not offer services on those 2 holidays. We do come in for burns, and last Thanksgiving came in to cover the knee replacement patients that had surgery the day before. We have 8 staff here in PT on the weekends, 1 from the other disciplines, except TR, which has 2. Staff take time off during the week. Barrett SRRC/CFVHS Fayetteville, NC > Re: 7 day coverage > > We also treat 7 days a week in our small rural hospital (60 beds). > Saturday treatment was started in the 70's and are just part of our > rountine now. Sunday coverage was instituted about two years ago. Sunday > coverage is provided by a PTA as part of her regular work week (which no > one seems to mind!) ; the PTA can call in any new evals either to myself > or the Sr. PT for coverage - in two years this has only happened once. The > PTA is an hourly position and as such she recieves a weekend differential. > Saturday coverage is done on a rotating basis by all the PTs including > myself, this works out to a weekend rotation every 7 weeks. When working > Saturday the PT gets the previous > Monday off, outpatients are scheduled around this and we rarely have a > problem fitting all of our patients in. All inpatients are seen on > Saturday and high priority patients are seen on Sunday (Ortho, Cardiac > Rehab, wounds and anyone else the PT deems high priority on Saturday). > Doctors often discharge patients on Saturdays and Sundays after their PT > sessions, so that average LOS is around 4.5 days for most patients. > I must add that I'm very lucky to have a wonderful, cohesive group. Often > other staff members will come in the help each other on the weekend > without recieving any monetary benefit! > Eileen Pruzansky, Director Rehab Services > Brattleboro Memorial Hospital, VT > > slynn@... wrote: > > > wrote: > > I am very glad to see this discussion on PT manager. I have been a > manager of PT Services at a small community hospital for ten years. I > have never been comfortable defining what I do as only important Monday > through Friday. > > > > We have always had PT services Monday through Saturday. We went to > full day seven day coverage at my insistence in Feb 1999. We currently > service our subacute unit and our orthopedic unit., as well as new evals, > My patient's needs are now being met effectively especially the TJR > patients that have Thursday and Friday OR time. As with Mr. Ken Tuley's > response, ALL of my routine post acute referrals settings are prepared to > admit 7 days a week. > > When confonting changes, let me suggest that one asks the question: > Will it benefit my patients?? If the answer is YES then you can never go > wrong. Financials play a part, and staff issues are always going to be > there. I would be willing to bet though, that your seasoned or > experienced PTs will not have a problem with this...but the x generation > people (, who may have joined our profession at the time when the hours > looked great, the opportunities abundant and the pay wonderful) , may not > like this expectation. > > > > I would be happy to go over any specifics about priorization, pay > incentives etc. > > Just wanted to send my general thoughts on the topic..........Thanks > > Kessler Lynn PT > > Virtua Health : West Jersey Hospital Marlton > > > > > > > > Original Article: /list/ptmanager/?start=5034 > > > My inpatient acute area has had 7 day coverage for the entire 10 years > I've been with this organization. I've always considered it a very basic > patient care issue. Our weekend/holiday coverage has generally been half > day with the intent of seeing all of the acute care patients once. The > clinical need is definitely there. We do a lot of joint replacements on > Tuesdays and Thursdays (who are typically ready for discharge on Saturday > and Monday). All of our routine post-acute referral agencies (rehab, > subacute, home care) are all prepared to admit new patients 7 days a week, > so the structures are all in place whenever the patient is ready. > > > > > > Staffing is done entirely with regular department staff (including > both the normal inpatient and outpatient therapists) and everyone works > one weekend every 4. My normal staffing is 2 PTs on the inpatient side > and 5 PTs in the outpatient area. That makes a total of 8 available PTs > (including myself) to rotate two at a time through the weekends. After > working a half day Saturday and a half day Sunday, the therapist will take > a day off during the following week. The outpatient therapists usually > just schedule their patient appointments around that day when they work > the weekend, and coverage for a regular inpatient therapist on those days > off is usually provided by me. > > > > > > No special incentives are provided for weekend coverage, since it is a > basic expectation of the job and applies equally to every PT in the > department from myself on down. Everyone was hired knowing that this was > an expectation of the position, regardless of whether they were hired > primarily for the inpatient or outpatient areas. > > > > > > Hope that helps... > > > Ken Tuley, PT > > > Rehab Services Manager > > > Cape Canaveral Hospital > > > > > > >>> 04/22/99 09:20PM >>> > > > Another topic! PT Managers, I need your help. We are an inpatient > > > acute/rehab facility, now in a position to be able to hire enough per > diem > > > and part time help to be able to reasonably provide some degree of 7 > day a > > > week coverage. (This of course, has been a long time request of Ortho > docs.) > > > Unfortunately, I have some concerns, after meeting with staff, about > dept. > > > morale, etc. once this is implemented, (tenatively 7/1/99). Some > legitimate > > > concerns of our staff are: > > > 1. Are we doing this for purely financial reasons? > > > 2.Is patient satisfaction and insurer concerns, (i.e, idle time on > > > Sundays/holidays legitimate reasons for pursuing this additional > staffing?) > > > 3. Are the docs really going to follow through with getting these > patients > > > discharged on Sat / Sunday, when PT recommends they are ready, or have > d/c'd > > > them from therapy? (in order to help reduce LOS to HOME.) Or are we > simply > > > increasing hospitalization costs by providing more intensive services, > > > without seeing a justifiable decrease in LOS, due to lack of > participation in > > > this initiative, on the part of the physicians. What has been your > > > experience in this regard? > > > Please provide me with the following information: > > > 1. Are you currently providing some type of coverage to acute Ortho, > and > > > hospital based skilled unit patients on Sundays and/or holidays? > > > 2. If so, are you seeing all of them or are you using a > prioritization > > > system? If prioritizing, what is your prioritization design and > rationale > > > for same? > > > 3. If you are providing Sunday and / or holiday coverage, what type > of > > > continuity of care issues have you encountered, and how have you dealt > with > > > them? (Primary concern is our Rehab unit, where, because of comp time > > > issues, therapist attendance at patient staffings, which are > conducted by > > > physician, could be impacted, because team members usually attend > portions > > > of staffings several days a week to accomodate all physicians.) > > > 4. As managers, are you participating in weekend coverage along with > your > > > staff in order to address the morale issue? If so, how frequently? > > > 5. What is the average number of weekends your staff are working, if > > > providing Sat. and Sunday coverage? > > > 6. Are you utilizing any types of pay incentives, etc. for weekend > coverage? > > > > > > I really appreciate your input! Thanks in advance......(By the way, > at the > > > present time, we work a full day Saturday, see Rehab, Ortho, Skilled, > all new > > > evals, some acute neuro, and wound care. Do hi priority wound care on > Sun. > > > and holidays 1 x dly.) > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Just out of curiosity, do we treat acute ortho patients BID based on evidence and outcomes? Or tradition? If BID is good - would TID offer a better outcome? I would love to hear everyone's views on this... Maureen Windmoeller, PT MacNeal Health Network Berwyn, IL mwindmoe@... Re: 7 day coverage > > We also treat 7 days a week in our small rural hospital (60 beds). > Saturday treatment was started in the 70's and are just part of our > rountine now. Sunday coverage was instituted about two years ago. Sunday > coverage is provided by a PTA as part of her regular work week (which no > one seems to mind!) ; the PTA can call in any new evals either to myself > or the Sr. PT for coverage - in two years this has only happened once. The > PTA is an hourly position and as such she recieves a weekend differential. > Saturday coverage is done on a rotating basis by all the PTs including > myself, this works out to a weekend rotation every 7 weeks. When working > Saturday the PT gets the previous > Monday off, outpatients are scheduled around this and we rarely have a > problem fitting all of our patients in. All inpatients are seen on > Saturday and high priority patients are seen on Sunday (Ortho, Cardiac > Rehab, wounds and anyone else the PT deems high priority on Saturday). > Doctors often discharge patients on Saturdays and Sundays after their PT > sessions, so that average LOS is around 4.5 days for most patients. > I must add that I'm very lucky to have a wonderful, cohesive group. Often > other staff members will come in the help each other on the weekend > without recieving any monetary benefit! > Eileen Pruzansky, Director Rehab Services > Brattleboro Memorial Hospital, VT > > slynn@... wrote: > > > wrote: > > I am very glad to see this discussion on PT manager. I have been a > manager of PT Services at a small community hospital for ten years. I > have never been comfortable defining what I do as only important Monday > through Friday. > > > > We have always had PT services Monday through Saturday. We went to > full day seven day coverage at my insistence in Feb 1999. We currently > service our subacute unit and our orthopedic unit., as well as new evals, > My patient's needs are now being met effectively especially the TJR > patients that have Thursday and Friday OR time. As with Mr. Ken Tuley's > response, ALL of my routine post acute referrals settings are prepared to > admit 7 days a week. > > When confonting changes, let me suggest that one asks the question: > Will it benefit my patients?? If the answer is YES then you can never go > wrong. Financials play a part, and staff issues are always going to be > there. I would be willing to bet though, that your seasoned or > experienced PTs will not have a problem with this...but the x generation > people (, who may have joined our profession at the time when the hours > looked great, the opportunities abundant and the pay wonderful) , may not > like this expectation. > > > > I would be happy to go over any specifics about priorization, pay > incentives etc. > > Just wanted to send my general thoughts on the topic..........Thanks > > Kessler Lynn PT > > Virtua Health : West Jersey Hospital Marlton > > > > > > > > Original Article: /list/ptmanager/?start=5034 > > > My inpatient acute area has had 7 day coverage for the entire 10 years > I've been with this organization. I've always considered it a very basic > patient care issue. Our weekend/holiday coverage has generally been half > day with the intent of seeing all of the acute care patients once. The > clinical need is definitely there. We do a lot of joint replacements on > Tuesdays and Thursdays (who are typically ready for discharge on Saturday > and Monday). All of our routine post-acute referral agencies (rehab, > subacute, home care) are all prepared to admit new patients 7 days a week, > so the structures are all in place whenever the patient is ready. > > > > > > Staffing is done entirely with regular department staff (including > both the normal inpatient and outpatient therapists) and everyone works > one weekend every 4. My normal staffing is 2 PTs on the inpatient side > and 5 PTs in the outpatient area. That makes a total of 8 available PTs > (including myself) to rotate two at a time through the weekends. After > working a half day Saturday and a half day Sunday, the therapist will take > a day off during the following week. The outpatient therapists usually > just schedule their patient appointments around that day when they work > the weekend, and coverage for a regular inpatient therapist on those days > off is usually provided by me. > > > > > > No special incentives are provided for weekend coverage, since it is a > basic expectation of the job and applies equally to every PT in the > department from myself on down. Everyone was hired knowing that this was > an expectation of the position, regardless of whether they were hired > primarily for the inpatient or outpatient areas. > > > > > > Hope that helps... > > > Ken Tuley, PT > > > Rehab Services Manager > > > Cape Canaveral Hospital > > > > > > >>> 04/22/99 09:20PM >>> > > > Another topic! PT Managers, I need your help. We are an inpatient > > > acute/rehab facility, now in a position to be able to hire enough per > diem > > > and part time help to be able to reasonably provide some degree of 7 > day a > > > week coverage. (This of course, has been a long time request of Ortho > docs.) > > > Unfortunately, I have some concerns, after meeting with staff, about > dept. > > > morale, etc. once this is implemented, (tenatively 7/1/99). Some > legitimate > > > concerns of our staff are: > > > 1. Are we doing this for purely financial reasons? > > > 2.Is patient satisfaction and insurer concerns, (i.e, idle time on > > > Sundays/holidays legitimate reasons for pursuing this additional > staffing?) > > > 3. Are the docs really going to follow through with getting these > patients > > > discharged on Sat / Sunday, when PT recommends they are ready, or have > d/c'd > > > them from therapy? (in order to help reduce LOS to HOME.) Or are we > simply > > > increasing hospitalization costs by providing more intensive services, > > > without seeing a justifiable decrease in LOS, due to lack of > participation in > > > this initiative, on the part of the physicians. What has been your > > > experience in this regard? > > > Please provide me with the following information: > > > 1. Are you currently providing some type of coverage to acute Ortho, > and > > > hospital based skilled unit patients on Sundays and/or holidays? > > > 2. If so, are you seeing all of them or are you using a > prioritization > > > system? If prioritizing, what is your prioritization design and > rationale > > > for same? > > > 3. If you are providing Sunday and / or holiday coverage, what type > of > > > continuity of care issues have you encountered, and how have you dealt > with > > > them? (Primary concern is our Rehab unit, where, because of comp time > > > issues, therapist attendance at patient staffings, which are > conducted by > > > physician, could be impacted, because team members usually attend > portions > > > of staffings several days a week to accomodate all physicians.) > > > 4. As managers, are you participating in weekend coverage along with > your > > > staff in order to address the morale issue? If so, how frequently? > > > 5. What is the average number of weekends your staff are working, if > > > providing Sat. and Sunday coverage? > > > 6. Are you utilizing any types of pay incentives, etc. for weekend > coverage? > > > > > > I really appreciate your input! Thanks in advance......(By the way, > at the > > > present time, we work a full day Saturday, see Rehab, Ortho, Skilled, > all new > > > evals, some acute neuro, and wound care. Do hi priority wound care on > Sun. > > > and holidays 1 x dly.) > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 I would be extremely interested in hearing more about how you schedule, incentives, etc. This will give me more information to share with staff and other dept. managers as we make this change. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 I am particularly interested in prioritization determinations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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