Comaprison of accident rates

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

Is there any justifiable way to compare

accident rates between two units of the same company, whose activities vary and

so hazard potential.

I’m from shipyard industry and we

have got lot of shops like hull, assembly, machine, pipe etc and other areas

like building, repair docks, service departments etc.

Annually when we take accident statistics

for awarding the best performing area, all areas are combined together and

therefore some departments bang the award most often than others.

Is there any way to give due weight age to

accidents happening at a relatively safer area than at a much riskier area.

Regards

Manaf

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

Let me share Visteon Safety Metrics

FTOV - First time Occupational Health Center Visits - If any person visits Occupational health center as a result of any minor injury that is called FTOV

Lost time Case - Any person who misses one subsequent shift as a result of any injury that is termed as Lost time case

FTOV Rate = No of FTOV s x 2 Lakhs/ Total Manhours worked

LTC Rate = No of LTC s x 2 Lakhs/ Total Man hours worked

Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2 Lakhs/ Total Man hours worked

What is this 2 Lakhs

We consider 100 persons as one unit

They work for 50 weeks per annum

5 Days per week

8 hours per day

100 X 50 X 5 X 8 = 2 Lakhs

Also the Success Days Between two LTC s is another measure

Current record - The no of days since the last LTC happened

All time best - The longest gap between two LTCs

Trust that the above Safety Metrics can be measured even between the different units too

Regards

Safety everyday, everyway, all the time!!!! "Zero Tolerance for Unsafe Conditions and Unsafe Acts" Suresh Safety Officer Visteon India, Climate Control Systems Division 91-4114-254280 x 2862 e-mail ssuresh5@... Mobile 9840182504

-----Original Message-----From: indiansafetyprofessionals [mailto:indiansafetyprofessionals ] On Behalf Of abdullamSent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:35 PMTo: indiansafetyprofessionals Subject: Comaprison of accident rates

Dear all,

Is there any justifiable way to compare accident rates between two units of the same company, whose activities vary and so hazard potential.

I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of shops like hull, assembly, machine, pipe etc and other areas like building, repair docks, service departments etc.

Annually when we take accident statistics for awarding the best performing area, all areas are combined together and therefore some departments bang the award most often than others.

Is there any way to give due weight age to accidents happening at a relatively safer area than at a much riskier area.

Regards

Manaf

[Guest guest]

Dear S.Rabiq,

But as per IS 3786:1983, what

Mr.T.S.SRINIVASAN

wrote is right.

This is being used by National Safety

Council in safety competition.

Regards.

M.Balachandran.

S Rabiqali

Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals

08/09/2006 01:24 PM

To

indiansafetyprofessionals

cc

Subject

Comaprison

of accident rates

Dear friend,

To add some more info.

As per IS 3786 :1966 Severity rate shall be calculated for no of manday

lost and per 2 lacs manhours is in vogue in US based companies.

regards,

S. Rabiq Ali

srinivasan ts

Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals

09/08/2006 01:08 PM

To

" Suram, Suresh

\(S.\) "

cc

indiansafetyprofessionals

Subject

RE:

Comaprison of accident rates

Dear Sir,

The calculation of severity rate which you

have mentioned is as under :

Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2

> Lakes/ Total Man hours

> worked

but the universal formula for this is

Severity rate : No of man hours lost x 1000000 ( that

is 10 to the power six )/ Total man hours lost.

This is to compare the safety performance at a uniform

level.

Regards,

T.S.SRINIVASAN

--- " Suram, Suresh (S.) "

wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Let me share Visteon Safety Metrics

>

> FTOV - First time Occupational Health Center

> Visits - If any person

> visits Occupational health center as a result of any

> minor injury that is

> called FTOV

>

> Lost time Case - Any person who misses one

> subsequent shift as a

> result of any injury that is termed as Lost time

> case

>

>

> FTOV Rate = No of FTOV s x 2 Lakhs/ Total

> Manhours worked

>

> LTC Rate = No of LTC s x 2 Lakhs/ Total Man

> hours worked

>

>

> Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2

> Lakhs/ Total Man hours

> worked

>

>

> What is this 2 Lakhs

>

> We consider 100 persons as one unit

>

> They work for 50 weeks per annum

>

> 5 Days per week

>

> 8 hours per day

>

> 100 X 50 X 5 X 8 = 2 Lakhs

>

> Also the Success Days Between two LTC s is

> another measure

>

> Current record - The no of days since the last

> LTC happened

>

> All time best - The longest gap between two LTCs

>

>

> Trust that the above Safety Metrics can be

> measured even between the

> different units too

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Safety everyday, everyway, all the time!!!!

> " Zero Tolerance for Unsafe Conditions and Unsafe

> Acts "

> Suresh

> Safety Officer

> Visteon India, Climate Control Systems Division

> 91-4114-254280 x 2862

> e-mail ssuresh5@...

> Mobile 9840182504

>

> Comaprison of

> accident rates

>

>

>

> Dear all,

>

>

>

> Is there any justifiable way to compare accident

> rates between two units of

> the same company, whose activities vary and so

> hazard potential.

>

>

>

> I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of

> shops like hull, assembly,

> machine, pipe etc and other areas like building,

> repair docks, service

> departments etc.

>

>

>

> Annually when we take accident statistics for

> awarding the best performing

> area, all areas are combined together and therefore

> some departments bang

> the award most often than others.

>

>

>

> Is there any way to give due weight age to accidents

> happening at a

> relatively safer area than at a much riskier area.

>

>

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Manaf

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Could be, I have not seen 1983 revised

edition, I have only 1966 edition. Request you to forward the soft copy

if available.

regards,

S. Rabiq Ali

balachandran.m@...

09/08/2006 02:37 PM

To

S Rabiqali

cc

indiansafetyprofessionals

Subject

Re:

Comaprison of accident rates

Dear S.Rabiq,

But as per IS 3786:1983, what Mr.T.S.SRINIVASAN

wrote is right.

This is being used by National Safety Council in safety competition.

Regards.

M.Balachandran.

S Rabiqali

Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals

08/09/2006 01:24 PM

To

indiansafetyprofessionals

cc

Subject

Comaprison

of accident rates

Dear friend,

To add some more info.

As per IS 3786 :1966 Severity rate shall be calculated for no of manday

lost and per 2 lacs manhours is in vogue in US based companies.

regards,

S. Rabiq Ali

srinivasan ts

Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals

09/08/2006 01:08 PM

To

" Suram, Suresh

\(S.\) "

cc

indiansafetyprofessionals

Subject

RE:

Comaprison of accident rates

Dear Sir,

The calculation of severity rate which you

have mentioned is as under :

Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2

> Lakes/ Total Man hours

> worked

but the universal formula for this is

Severity rate : No of man hours lost x 1000000 ( that

is 10 to the power six )/ Total man hours lost.

This is to compare the safety performance at a uniform

level.

Regards,

T.S.SRINIVASAN

--- " Suram, Suresh (S.) "

wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Let me share Visteon Safety Metrics

>

> FTOV - First time Occupational Health Center

> Visits - If any person

> visits Occupational health center as a result of any

> minor injury that is

> called FTOV

>

> Lost time Case - Any person who misses one

> subsequent shift as a

> result of any injury that is termed as Lost time

> case

>

>

> FTOV Rate = No of FTOV s x 2 Lakhs/ Total

> Manhours worked

>

> LTC Rate = No of LTC s x 2 Lakhs/ Total Man

> hours worked

>

>

> Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2

> Lakhs/ Total Man hours

> worked

>

>

> What is this 2 Lakhs

>

> We consider 100 persons as one unit

>

> They work for 50 weeks per annum

>

> 5 Days per week

>

> 8 hours per day

>

> 100 X 50 X 5 X 8 = 2 Lakhs

>

> Also the Success Days Between two LTC s is

> another measure

>

> Current record - The no of days since the last

> LTC happened

>

> All time best - The longest gap between two LTCs

>

>

> Trust that the above Safety Metrics can be

> measured even between the

> different units too

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Safety everyday, everyway, all the time!!!!

> " Zero Tolerance for Unsafe Conditions and Unsafe

> Acts "

> Suresh

> Safety Officer

> Visteon India, Climate Control Systems Division

> 91-4114-254280 x 2862

> e-mail ssuresh5@...

> Mobile 9840182504

>

> Comaprison of

> accident rates

>

>

>

> Dear all,

>

>

>

> Is there any justifiable way to compare accident

> rates between two units of

> the same company, whose activities vary and so

> hazard potential.

>

>

>

> I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of

> shops like hull, assembly,

> machine, pipe etc and other areas like building,

> repair docks, service

> departments etc.

>

>

>

> Annually when we take accident statistics for

> awarding the best performing

> area, all areas are combined together and therefore

> some departments bang

> the award most often than others.

>

>

>

> Is there any way to give due weight age to accidents

> happening at a

> relatively safer area than at a much riskier area.

>

>

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Manaf

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sir, There is no such universal formulas for severity rates. It varries, place to place. For copper smelters we are having factor called as Severity index, which is Mandays Lost per 1000 mandays worked. While surfing, I have seen some places ratio of no. of accidents / manhours worked is being multiplied by 200000 and other places it is 10E6. In 1983 version Frequncy rate = No. of LTI * 10E6 / Manhours worked Severity

rate = Mandays lost * 10E6 / Manhours worked Incidence rate = No. of LTI * 1000 / Avg of persons employed. regards, Shaik S Rabiqali wrote: Could be, I have not seen 1983 revised edition, I have only 1966 edition. Request you to forward the soft copy if available.

regards,S. Rabiq Ali balachandran.m@...elf.co.in 09/08/2006 02:37 PM To S Rabiqali <s.rabiqaliitc (DOT) in> cc indiansafetyprofessionals Subject Re: Comaprison of accident rates Dear S.Rabiq, But as per IS 3786:1983, what Mr.T.S.SRINIVASAN wrote is right. This is being used by National Safety Council in safety competition. Regards. M.Balachandran. S Rabiqali <s.rabiqaliitc (DOT) in> Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals 08/09/2006 01:24 PM To indiansafetyprofessionals cc Subject Comaprison of accident rates Dear friend, To add some more info. As per IS 3786 :1966 Severity rate shall be calculated

for no of manday lost and per 2 lacs manhours is in vogue in US based companies. regards,S. Rabiq Ali srinivasan ts <srinivasan_ts> Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals 09/08/2006 01:08 PM To "Suram, Suresh \(S.\)" <ssuresh5visteon> cc indiansafetyprofessionals Subject RE: Comaprison of accident rates Dear Sir,The calculation of severity rate which youhave mentioned is as under :Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2> Lakes/ Total Man hours> workedbut the universal formula for this isSeverity rate : No of man hours lost x 1000000 ( thatis 10 to the power six )/ Total man hours lost. This is to compare the safety performance at a uniformlevel.Regards,T.S.SRINIVASAN---

"Suram, Suresh (S.)" <ssuresh5visteon> wrote:> > > Dear All,> > Let me share Visteon Safety Metrics> > FTOV - First time Occupational Health Center> Visits - If any person> visits Occupational health center as a result of any> minor injury that is> called FTOV> > Lost time Case - Any person who misses one> subsequent shift as a> result of any injury that is termed as Lost time> case> > > FTOV Rate = No of FTOV s x 2 Lakhs/ Total> Manhours worked> > LTC Rate = No of LTC s x 2 Lakhs/ Total Man> hours worked> > > Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2> Lakhs/ Total Man hours> worked> > > What is this 2 Lakhs> > We consider

100 persons as one unit> > They work for 50 weeks per annum> > 5 Days per week> > 8 hours per day> > 100 X 50 X 5 X 8 = 2 Lakhs> > Also the Success Days Between two LTC s is> another measure> > Current record - The no of days since the last> LTC happened> > All time best - The longest gap between two LTCs> > > Trust that the above Safety Metrics can be> measured even between the> different units too> > Regards> > > > Safety everyday, everyway, all the time!!!! > "Zero Tolerance for Unsafe Conditions and Unsafe> Acts" > Suresh > Safety Officer > Visteon India, Climate Control Systems Division > 91-4114-254280 x 2862 > e-mail ssuresh5visteon > Mobile 9840182504 > > Comaprison of> accident rates> > > > Dear all,> > > > Is there any justifiable way to compare

accident> rates between two units of> the same company, whose activities vary and so> hazard potential. > > > > I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of> shops like hull, assembly,> machine, pipe etc and other areas like building,> repair docks, service> departments etc.> > > > Annually when we take accident statistics for> awarding the best performing> area, all areas are combined together and therefore> some departments bang> the award most often than others.> > > > Is there any way to give due weight age to accidents> happening at a> relatively safer area than at a much riskier area. > > > > > > Regards> > > > Manaf > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear All, In our Tata group of cos, we calculate on the below formula and moreever it is quite common in all MNC's. LTIFR ( Lost time Injury Frequency Rate ) = 1000000 x Cumulative LTI / Total Manhours Worked ) SR ( Severity Rate ) = 1000000 x Cumulative Days lost / Total Man hours Worked AIFR ( All Injury Frequency Rate ) = 1000000 x Cumulative (LTI + MTI + WI)/ Total Man hours worked LTI - Lost time Injury MTI - Medical Treatment Injury WI - Work Injury ( First Aid Case ) I hope this will give certain clear picture... Thanks and regards, V.Sureshbabu +919840915274 balachandran.m@... wrote: Dear S.Rabiq, But as per IS 3786:1983, what Mr.T.S.SRINIVASAN wrote is right. This is being used by National Safety Council in safety competition. Regards. M.Balachandran. S Rabiqali <s.rabiqaliitc (DOT) in> Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals 08/09/2006 01:24 PM To indiansafetyprofessionals cc Subject Comaprison of accident rates Dear friend, To add some more info. As per IS 3786 :1966 Severity rate shall be calculated for no of manday lost and per 2 lacs manhours is in vogue in US based companies. regards,S. Rabiq Ali srinivasan ts <srinivasan_ts> Sent by: indiansafetyprofessionals 09/08/2006 01:08 PM To "Suram, Suresh \(S.\)" <ssuresh5visteon> cc indiansafetyprofessionals Subject RE: Comaprison of accident rates Dear Sir,The calculation of severity rate which youhave mentioned is as under :Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2> Lakes/ Total Man hours> workedbut the universal formula for this isSeverity rate : No of man hours lost x 1000000 ( thatis 10 to the power six )/ Total man hours lost. This is to compare the safety performance at a uniformlevel.Regards,T.S.SRINIVASAN--- "Suram, Suresh

(S.)" <ssuresh5visteon> wrote:> > > Dear All,> > Let me share Visteon Safety Metrics> > FTOV - First time Occupational Health Center> Visits - If any person> visits Occupational health center as a result of any> minor injury that is> called FTOV> > Lost time Case - Any person who misses one> subsequent shift as a> result of any injury that is termed as Lost time> case> > > FTOV Rate = No of FTOV s x 2 Lakhs/ Total> Manhours worked> > LTC Rate = No of LTC s x 2 Lakhs/ Total Man> hours worked> > > Severity Rate = No of days away from work x 2> Lakhs/ Total Man hours> worked> > > What is this 2 Lakhs> > We consider 100 persons as

one unit> > They work for 50 weeks per annum> > 5 Days per week> > 8 hours per day> > 100 X 50 X 5 X 8 = 2 Lakhs> > Also the Success Days Between two LTC s is> another measure> > Current record - The no of days since the last> LTC happened> > All time best - The longest gap between two LTCs> > > Trust that the above Safety Metrics can be> measured even between the> different units too> > Regards> > > > Safety everyday, everyway, all the time!!!! > "Zero Tolerance for Unsafe Conditions and Unsafe> Acts" > Suresh > Safety Officer > Visteon India, Climate Control Systems Division > 91-4114-254280 x 2862 > e-mail ssuresh5visteon

> Mobile 9840182504 > > Comaprison of> accident rates> > > > Dear all,> > > > Is there any justifiable way to compare accident> rates between two units of> the same

company, whose activities vary and so> hazard potential. > > > > I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of> shops like hull, assembly,> machine, pipe etc and other areas like building,> repair docks, service> departments etc.> > > > Annually when we take accident statistics for> awarding the best performing> area, all areas are combined together and therefore> some departments bang> the award most often than others.> > > > Is there any way to give due weight age to accidents> happening at a> relatively safer area than at a much riskier area. > > > > > > Regards> > > > Manaf > > > > > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

can any body give me a soft copy of IS 3786 :1966 latest version,this is urgent please help

Regards

Comaprison of> accident rates> > > > Dear all,> > > > Is there any justifiable way to compare accident> rates between two units of> the same company, whose activities vary and so> hazard potential. > > > > I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of> shops like hull, assembly,> machine, pipe etc and other areas like building,> repair docks, service> departments etc.> > > > Annually when we take accident statistics for> awarding the best performing> area, all areas are combined together and therefore> some departments bang> the award most often than others.> > > > Is there any way to give due weight age to accidents> happening at a> relatively safer area than at a much riskier area. > > > > > > Regards> > > > Manaf > > > > > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

You wrote the following:

We are talking about injury to the individuals

>

> We are taking the man hours as input

>

> Then why the constant should be irrelevant?

>

> When we are talking about human beings, the constant

> that we are taking also

> should have that relationship

why this constant of 10 lakh is used is for

comparing safety performance of companies .

if for example you the Pugalr unit you multiply

with 2 lskah and your sister concern Nellikuppam

multiples with 10 lakh naturally you will be in bettr

position than Nelikupam ,Not only BIS and Natinal

Safety committe folows this constany of multiplying

with 10 lakh the countries like Soviet union countries

follows this.

Whatever consultant we use ,all should fol ow one

constant ,otherwise we cannot compare our safety

performance with oher organizations or National or

International standard.

Regards,

T.S.SRINIVASAN.

--- " Suram, Suresh (S.) " wrote:

>

> You are correct;

>

> What we follow is American method;

>

> 10 Lakhs is arrived out of components PPM - Product

> Quality

>

> The concept behind taking 2 lakhs is like this

>

> 100 EMPLOYEES ONE UNIT

>

> THEY ARE WORKING FOR ONE YEAR

>

> IN A YEAR THEY WORK FOR 50 WEEKS

>

> IN A WEEK THEY WORK FOR 5 DAYS

>

> IN A DAY THEY WORK FOR 8 HOURS

>

> SO 100X50X5X8 = 200, 000

>

> We are talking about injury to the individuals

>

> We are taking the manhours as input

>

> Then why the constant should be irrelevant?

>

> When we are talking about human beings, the constant

> that we are taking also

> should have that relationship.

>

> It also talks about the ideal frame of working 8

> hours per day and 5 days a

> week

>

> So this is a different concept widely followed by US

> based companies

>

> Regards

> Suresh

>

> Comaprison of

> > accident rates

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> >

> >

> > Is there any justifiable way to compare accident

> > rates between two units of

> > the same company, whose activities vary and so

> > hazard potential.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm from shipyard industry and we have got lot of

> > shops like hull, assembly,

> > machine, pipe etc and other areas like building,

> > repair docks, service

> > departments etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > Annually when we take accident statistics for

> > awarding the best performing

> > area, all areas are combined together and

> therefore

> > some departments bang

> > the award most often than others.

> >

> >

> >

> > Is there any way to give due weight age to

> accidents happening at a

> > relatively safer area than at a much riskier area.

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

>

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