RE: FR>EN Instrumentation for a total knee prosthesis

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Here you have a description of the prodecure in French :

http://www.esop-hip.com/homefr.html

And here the same in English :

http://www.esop-hip.com/homean.html

It appears to be " box chisel " .

Le 12/12/2011 11:50, Hutchings a écrit :

> Hello,

> I would be grateful if anyone could help with a couple of terms for

> instruments used for fitting a total knee prosthesis.

> The terms are

> " ciseau emporte pièce " et " faux "

>

> ciseau emporte pièce:

> an example is in the following sentence:

> " Un ciseau emporte pièce peut être utilisé pour réaliser en un temps

> l’ablation des ostéophytes de l’échancrure inter condylienne et du

> pivot central. "

> I have found this translated on the Website of another French prosthesis

> manufacturer simply as chisel or bone chisel but I have a film of the

> procedure and the instrument has a cross-section of about two thirds of

> a circle and in most cases will probably remove the ablated bone as it

> is withdrawn. At the moment I an inclined to use the English " gouge " but

> perhaps there is a better term. When used the instrument is held in a

> cutting guide as it is hammered in.

>

> faux:

> as in the sentence below:

> La hauteur de coupe est néanmoins vérifiée à l’aide de la faux.

> In the film the " faux " is a curved metal " feeler " inserted through the

> cutting guide against the surface of the bone to check that it is

> correctly positioned before using an oscillating saw.

> I can find no reference anywhere to a " faux " as a surgical instrument

> except in " le grande dictionnaire terminologique " which gives " a curved

> bistoury " which from the film is evidently not the case here.

>

> Many thanks for any help.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ciseau emporte-pièce: I'm not sure " box chisel " is appropriate. Isn't it for

close square/rectangular chisels? I would suggest " punch chisel " . " Gouge "

looks also correct.

" Faux " is probably used because the feeler is falciform (like a scythe

blade).

KR,

f

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Objet : FR>EN Instrumentation for a total knee prosthesis

Hello,

I would be grateful if anyone could help with a couple of terms for

instruments used for fitting a total knee prosthesis.

The terms are

" ciseau emporte pièce " et " faux "

ciseau emporte pièce:

an example is in the following sentence:

" Un ciseau emporte pièce peut être utilisé pour réaliser en un temps

l’ablation des ostéophytes de l’échancrure inter condylienne et du pivot

central. "

I have found this translated on the Website of another French prosthesis

manufacturer simply as chisel or bone chisel but I have a film of the

procedure and the instrument has a cross-section of about two thirds of a

circle and in most cases will probably remove the ablated bone as it is

withdrawn. At the moment I an inclined to use the English " gouge " but

perhaps there is a better term. When used the instrument is held in a

cutting guide as it is hammered in.

faux:

as in the sentence below:

La hauteur de coupe est néanmoins vérifiée à l’aide de la faux.

In the film the " faux " is a curved metal " feeler " inserted through the

cutting guide against the surface of the bone to check that it is correctly

positioned before using an oscillating saw.

I can find no reference anywhere to a " faux " as a surgical instrument except

in " le grande dictionnaire terminologique " which gives " a curved bistoury "

which from the film is evidently not the case here.

Many thanks for any help.

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There is an easy way to check if " faux " means " falciform instrument " . If the

video says " la faux " (and not " le faux " ), " faux " is used for " scythe " .

Proposal: " falciform feeler " , " crescent feeler " ...

KR,

f

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Objet : FR>EN Instrumentation for a total knee prosthesis

Hello,

I would be grateful if anyone could help with a couple of terms for

instruments used for fitting a total knee prosthesis.

The terms are

" ciseau emporte pièce " et " faux "

ciseau emporte pièce:

an example is in the following sentence:

" Un ciseau emporte pièce peut être utilisé pour réaliser en un temps

l’ablation des ostéophytes de l’échancrure inter condylienne et du pivot

central. "

I have found this translated on the Website of another French prosthesis

manufacturer simply as chisel or bone chisel but I have a film of the

procedure and the instrument has a cross-section of about two thirds of a

circle and in most cases will probably remove the ablated bone as it is

withdrawn. At the moment I an inclined to use the English " gouge " but

perhaps there is a better term. When used the instrument is held in a

cutting guide as it is hammered in.

faux:

as in the sentence below:

La hauteur de coupe est néanmoins vérifiée à l’aide de la faux.

In the film the " faux " is a curved metal " feeler " inserted through the

cutting guide against the surface of the bone to check that it is correctly

positioned before using an oscillating saw.

I can find no reference anywhere to a " faux " as a surgical instrument except

in " le grande dictionnaire terminologique " which gives " a curved bistoury "

which from the film is evidently not the case here.

Many thanks for any help.

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Le 12/12/2011 17:33, François Malaise a écrit :

> There is an easy way to check if " faux " means " falciform instrument " . If the

> video says " la faux " (and not " le faux " ), " faux " is used for " scythe " .

> Proposal: " falciform feeler " , " crescent feeler " ...

Thank you for both your suggestions. I am sure that you are right with

the falciform shape. Margaret is just rereading the text at the moment

and doesn't like my use of the word " feeler " but we will argue over that

and gouge, punch, box chisel, punch chisel etc in the morning.

Thanks again,