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It's ok, Jackie. It is totally forgivable for you to make a comment which isn't

exactly a part of our group mission in the context you made it. I know that

anyone whom might have taken offense will just let it go, since to not do so

would actually be not very cool.  I think I get what you are saying though.

Your doctor isn't exactly putting Fred at the top of his priority list. Not

worth putting our focus on something we cannot change.

As far as what we can focus on----

The blood work is important sign.  You can look up Fred's MELD score to keep

track of predicted 30 day mortality-

http://www.mayoclinic.org/meld/mayomodel7.html

Constipation----

Constipation is caused by pain medicine when it makes the intestines squeeze all

the water out. It would be a problem for many of us, except that lactulose is

keeping us with the opposite problem. Lactulose is a natural osmotic laxative,

and is non  addictive un-like other over the counter laxative.

Fruit has a natural laxative effect, as well as high fibre foods, and as far as

I can tell almost work as well for my liver disease as lactulose. In India, they

believe that any thing which can speed up digestion and move toxins out quickly

will help much, and there are a lot of hepatologists who agree with that

thinking.  Please let us know what the MELD score is.  a score over <10 is

when people are typically evaluated for a liver transplant. 6 is the lowest

score, and 40 is the highest, a 40 meaning that predicted 30 day mortality is

high.

Love, Bobby

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 1:41 PM

Subject: Bob Aragon

 

Bob I apologize if I was not to mention obamacare. I won't again.

Jackie

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BOBBY MY MELD SCORE I NOE AN 18 HOW LONG DOES THAR GIVE

ME?                     Bob Aragon

To: " livercirrhosissupport "

<livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 9:14 PM

Subject: Re: Bob Aragon

 

It's ok, Jackie. It is totally forgivable for you to make a comment which isn't

exactly a part of our group mission in the context you made it. I know that

anyone whom might have taken offense will just let it go, since to not do so

would actually be not very cool.  I think I get what you are saying though.

Your doctor isn't exactly putting Fred at the top of his priority list. Not

worth putting our focus on something we cannot change.

As far as what we can focus on----

The blood work is important sign.  You can look up Fred's MELD score to keep

track of predicted 30 day mortality-

http://www.mayoclinic.org/meld/mayomodel7.html

Constipation----

Constipation is caused by pain medicine when it makes the intestines squeeze all

the water out. It would be a problem for many of us, except that lactulose is

keeping us with the opposite problem. Lactulose is a natural osmotic laxative,

and is non  addictive un-like other over the counter laxative.

Fruit has a natural laxative effect, as well as high fibre foods, and as far as

I can tell almost work as well for my liver disease as lactulose. In India, they

believe that any thing which can speed up digestion and move toxins out quickly

will help much, and there are a lot of hepatologists who agree with that

thinking.  Please let us know what the MELD score is.  a score over <10 is

when people are typically evaluated for a liver transplant. 6 is the lowest

score, and 40 is the highest, a 40 meaning that predicted 30 day mortality is

high.

Love, Bobby

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 1:41 PM

Subject: Bob Aragon

 

Bob I apologize if I was not to mention obamacare. I won't again.

Jackie

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hello i just want everyone to know, please please be careful of what

you are taking and why all medicines dont work the same for everyone,

simply said some works and some kills, so please be care and get a real

understanding dont just take meds because your doctor prescribe them

you need to find out the affects of what you are taking. NOW FOR THE

GOOD PART MY HEPC DOCTOR PRESCIBE LACTULOSE TO ME WITH OUT TELLING ME

WHAT THE SIDE EFFECT WERE, TRUST ME IT DIDNT DO ANY THING FOR MY

CONSTIPATION, I WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN AND OVER THE EDGE I THOUGHT I WAS

GOING TO DIE. HEART RACING SWEATING, THERE IS NOTHEN NATURAL ABOUT IT

TO ME, BUT AS I SAID WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BODY MAKE UP.i felt pain i

never felt before, stomach pains that made me want to kill myself. so

to all of you, know what the hell you are taking please. last but

lease, this meds was not covered by my insurance, i look over a hundred

and some dollars, i am not upset i am just glad to be alive. Thank

everyone for listening, again you are my family and i have tell it like

it is. love you thomas n chicago

Bob Aragon

 

Bob I apologize if I was not to mention obamacare. I won't again.

Jackie

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No, I do not know what that is...

This link will describe Lactulose for you. Love, Bobby

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactulose

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000654/

 

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:46 PM

Subject: Re: Bob Aragon

 

I looked up lactalose and got Amitisa. Is that what it is?

Jackie

Bob Aragon

Bob I apologize if I was not to mention obamacare. I won't again.

Jackie

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I know what you are saying, . I have had TERRIBLE gas pains from lactulose

in the past. The stuff stopped working, so they upped the amount, all the way up

to 45 Ml, three times a day. I now take only 30 to 45 ml TWICE a day as this is

the right amount. It also helps to mention that high fibre cereal will turn

laculose in to TURBO lactulose!!

I am so sorry you had such a terrible time. I know you have had a terrible time

with this disease. love, Bobby

 

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:42 PM

Subject: Re: Bob Aragon

 

hello i just want everyone to know, please please be careful of what

you are taking and why all medicines dont work the same for everyone,

simply said some works and some kills, so please be care and get a real

understanding dont just take meds because your doctor prescribe them

you need to find out the affects of what you are taking. NOW FOR THE

GOOD PART MY HEPC DOCTOR PRESCIBE LACTULOSE TO ME WITH OUT TELLING ME

WHAT THE SIDE EFFECT WERE, TRUST ME IT DIDNT DO ANY THING FOR MY

CONSTIPATION, I WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN AND OVER THE EDGE I THOUGHT I WAS

GOING TO DIE. HEART RACING SWEATING, THERE IS NOTHEN NATURAL ABOUT IT

TO ME, BUT AS I SAID WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BODY MAKE UP.i felt pain i

never felt before, stomach pains that made me want to kill myself. so

to all of you, know what the hell you are taking please. last but

lease, this meds was not covered by my insurance, i look over a hundred

and some dollars, i am not upset i am just glad to be alive. Thank

everyone for listening, again you are my family and i have tell it like

it is. love you thomas n chicago

Bob Aragon

 

Bob I apologize if I was not to mention obamacare. I won't again.

Jackie

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I live up here in Canada, where things are done just a little differently. 

Like Lactaloseis an over the counter med.  I have suffered with irritable bowel

for many years.  I tried the Lactalose and it didn't work for me either.

Also, my very busy GP might accidentally overlook which meds I'm on (hasn't

happened yet) and prescribe another that conflicts.  In that case, my

pharmacist will catch it.  Any of the pharmacists that work there also come

over to show me (the customer) the pills in any of the new bottles.  Many many

years ago, I was on Valium.  The 5mgs wasn't doing it for me, so I started to

take 2.  Then, the pharmacy made a mistake and I didn't know about the colours

back then.  Was at work when I popped 2 10 mgs of Valium.  Fifteen minutes

later, I was dead asleep in the washroom.  Also, I absolutely do not believe in

trading pills whatsoever.    

Our computer system that the pharmacists are hooked into, would even make it

less likely that anyone could get away with taking the same script to several

pharmacies. 

Actually, I wondered if our local hospital was hooked into even bigger

hospitals.  Well, when the tech that called me from the Vancouver Diagnostic

office, to say that she didn't have any of my blood work to go with the

requisition for a CT Scan.  That told me that the hospitals don't communicate

together in computerize.  So, my Drs here and the hospital have clearance to

look up my medical history when I have to use the local hospital.  But, the

records that Vancouver has is for the Vancouver procedures and whatever my Drs

here sent them.

Gloria

 

hello i just want everyone to know, please please be careful of what

you are taking and why all medicines dont work the same for everyone,

simply said some works and some kills, so please be care and get a real

understanding dont just take meds because your doctor prescribe them

you need to find out the affects of what you are taking. NOW FOR THE

GOOD PART MY HEPC DOCTOR PRESCIBE LACTULOSE TO ME WITH OUT TELLING ME

WHAT THE SIDE EFFECT WERE, TRUST ME IT DIDNT DO ANY THING FOR MY

CONSTIPATION, I WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN AND OVER THE EDGE I THOUGHT I WAS

GOING TO DIE. HEART RACING SWEATING, THERE IS NOTHEN NATURAL ABOUT IT

TO ME, BUT AS I SAID WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BODY MAKE UP.i felt pain i

never felt before, stomach pains that made me want to kill myself. so

to all of you, know what the hell you are taking please. last but

lease, this meds was not covered by my insurance, i look over a hundred

and some dollars, i am not upset i am just glad to be alive. Thank

everyone for listening, again you are my family and i have tell it like

it is. love you thomas n chicago

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That was funny, Bobby

Fortunately, if I eat my bran in the morning in some way, it does help me.  I'd

like to buy a big tray of bran muffins (I don't bake) to keep in the freezer for

mid morning.

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I know what you are saying, . I have had TERRIBLE gas pains from lactulose

in the past. The stuff stopped working, so they upped the amount, all the way up

to 45 Ml, three times a day. I now take only 30 to 45 ml TWICE a day as this is

the right amount. It also helps to mention that high fibre cereal will turn

laculose in to TURBO lactulose!!

I am so sorry you had such a terrible time. I know you have had a terrible time

with this disease. love, Bobby

 

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