Re: Sale by or on the order of a physician?

[Guest guest]

Well ,it means the device can only be sold on prescription or by a

doctor (although doctors are not usually employed in medical supplies/drug

stores).

So it is prescription strength and cannot be sold over the counter.

Best,

>

>

> Happy Holidays to everyone.

>

> I keep seeing the same sentence every now and then: " U.S. Federal law

> restricts this device to sale(s) by or on the order of a physician. " Does

> this mean only a doctor may sell it, or buy it? This sentence has been

> discussed on Proz before:

>

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greetings_letters/3591181\

-to_restrict_sale_to.html,but nobody seemed to know for sure. Also, I haven't

been able to find the

> exact U.S. federal law that is being referred to. Any thoughts?

>

> Many thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello ,

No, that's not what it says (although the legislator's --intention-- is

not something mere mortals can second-guess).

It says:

- sale by: a doctor may sell it

- OR on the order of: a doctor may prescribe it, and then it can be sold

by another party (medical supply house? - presumably where the doctor

would buy it also).

- restricts: nobody else may sell it.

It says nothing about who buys it.

Of course, the above applies to the sentence as you quoted it. If we are

talking about replacing 'by' with 'to', then we get a different sentence

entirely with a completely different meaning.

HTH

> I keep seeing the same sentence every now and then: " U.S. Federal law

> restricts this device to sale(s) by or on the order of a physician. " Does

> this mean only a doctor may sell it, or buy it? This sentence has been

> discussed on Proz before:

>

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greetings_letters/3591181\

-to_restrict_sale_to.html,

> but nobody seemed to know for sure. Also, I haven't been able to find the

> exact U.S. federal law that is being referred to. Any thoughts?

>

> Many thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and for your replies. I agree with you both about the meaning

of the sentence, but I was never sure if this was the actual intention of the

legislator. I guess what confused me is the fact that the results of " by " and

" to " are essentially the same: the product can only end up in possession of a

doctor or somebody a doctor thinks should have it.

Best regards,

van Nellen

>

> Hello ,

>

> No, that's not what it says (although the legislator's --intention-- is

> not something mere mortals can second-guess).

>

> It says:

> - sale by: a doctor may sell it

> - OR on the order of: a doctor may prescribe it, and then it can be sold

> by another party (medical supply house? - presumably where the doctor

> would buy it also).

> - restricts: nobody else may sell it.

>

> It says nothing about who buys it.

>

> Of course, the above applies to the sentence as you quoted it. If we are

> talking about replacing 'by' with 'to', then we get a different sentence

> entirely with a completely different meaning.

>

> HTH

>

>

>

>

> > I keep seeing the same sentence every now and then: " U.S. Federal law

> > restricts this device to sale(s) by or on the order of a physician. " Does

> > this mean only a doctor may sell it, or buy it? This sentence has been

> > discussed on Proz before:

> >

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greetings_letters/3591181\

-to_restrict_sale_to.html,

> > but nobody seemed to know for sure. Also, I haven't been able to find the

> > exact U.S. federal law that is being referred to. Any thoughts?

> >

> > Many thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Colleagues,

What native speakers would say about the possible interpretation that " by " and

" on " both refer to " order " , not " physician " , and the whole phrase is an instance

of redundancy characteristic of legal texts?

With best wishes for the coming New Year,

_________________________

Sosnovsky, M.D.

Biomedical Translation & Editing

English > Russian < French

Moscow, Russia

email: mail@...

http://www.biomedtrans.ru

Tel.: +7

Skype: alex_sosnovsky

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > No, that's not what it says (although the legislator's --intention-- is

> > not something mere mortals can second-guess).

> >

> > It says:

> > - sale by: a doctor may sell it

> > - OR on the order of: a doctor may prescribe it, and then it can be sold

> > by another party (medical supply house? - presumably where the doctor

> > would buy it also).

> > - restricts: nobody else may sell it.

> >

> > It says nothing about who buys it.

> >

> > Of course, the above applies to the sentence as you quoted it. If we are

> > talking about replacing 'by' with 'to', then we get a different sentence

> > entirely with a completely different meaning.

> >

> > HTH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I keep seeing the same sentence every now and then: " U.S. Federal law

> > > restricts this device to sale(s) by or on the order of a physician. " Does

> > > this mean only a doctor may sell it, or buy it? This sentence has been

> > > discussed on Proz before:

> > >

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greetings_letters/3591181\

-to_restrict_sale_to.html,

> > > but nobody seemed to know for sure. Also, I haven't been able to find the

> > > exact U.S. federal law that is being referred to. Any thoughts?

> > >

> > > Many thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, that is definitely a possibility that had not occurred to me.

As you say, it would be a redundancy, since I can't think of any

difference between 'by the order' and 'on the order'.

Cheers,

> What native speakers would say about the possible interpretation that " by "

> and " on " both refer to " order " , not " physician " , and the whole phrase is

> an instance of redundancy characteristic of legal texts?

>

> With best wishes for the coming New Year,

>

>

> _________________________

> Sosnovsky, M.D.

> Biomedical Translation & Editing

> English > Russian < French

> Moscow, Russia

> email: mail@...

> http://www.biomedtrans.ru

> Tel.: +7

> Skype: alex_sosnovsky

>

>

>> >

>> > Hello ,

>> >

>> > No, that's not what it says (although the legislator's --intention--

>> is

>> > not something mere mortals can second-guess).

>> >

>> > It says:

>> > - sale by: a doctor may sell it

>> > - OR on the order of: a doctor may prescribe it, and then it can be

>> sold

>> > by another party (medical supply house? - presumably where the doctor

>> > would buy it also).

>> > - restricts: nobody else may sell it.

>> >

>> > It says nothing about who buys it.

>> >

>> > Of course, the above applies to the sentence as you quoted it. If we

>> are

>> > talking about replacing 'by' with 'to', then we get a different

>> sentence

>> > entirely with a completely different meaning.

>> >

>> > HTH

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > > I keep seeing the same sentence every now and then: " U.S. Federal

>> law

>> > > restricts this device to sale(s) by or on the order of a physician. "

>> Does

>> > > this mean only a doctor may sell it, or buy it? This sentence has

>> been

>> > > discussed on Proz before:

>> > >

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greetings_letters/3591181\

-to_restrict_sale_to.html,

>> > > but nobody seemed to know for sure. Also, I haven't been able to

>> find the

>> > > exact U.S. federal law that is being referred to. Any thoughts?

>> > >

>> > > Many thanks,

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear and ,

It looks like was right. I received the following from my client:

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<CLIENT> has confirmed this, and also other English native speakers that have

experience with other medical clients, and know the legal jargon. This sentence:

U.S. Federal law restricts this device to sales by or on the order of a

physician

simply means that the device can only be sold " by the order of a physician " or

" on the order of a physician " . It does NOT mean that the device can be sold by a

physician. Doctors in the US don't sell devices either.

------------------------------------

Best regards,

van Nellen

> >> >

> >> > Hello ,

> >> >

> >> > No, that's not what it says (although the legislator's --intention--

> >> is

> >> > not something mere mortals can second-guess).

> >> >

> >> > It says:

> >> > - sale by: a doctor may sell it

> >> > - OR on the order of: a doctor may prescribe it, and then it can be

> >> sold

> >> > by another party (medical supply house? - presumably where the doctor

> >> > would buy it also).

> >> > - restricts: nobody else may sell it.

> >> >

> >> > It says nothing about who buys it.

> >> >

> >> > Of course, the above applies to the sentence as you quoted it. If we

> >> are

> >> > talking about replacing 'by' with 'to', then we get a different

> >> sentence

> >> > entirely with a completely different meaning.

> >> >

> >> > HTH

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > > I keep seeing the same sentence every now and then: " U.S. Federal

> >> law

> >> > > restricts this device to sale(s) by or on the order of a physician. "

> >> Does

> >> > > this mean only a doctor may sell it, or buy it? This sentence has

> >> been

> >> > > discussed on Proz before:

> >> > >

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/general_conversation_greetings_letters/3591181\

-to_restrict_sale_to.html,

> >> > > but nobody seemed to know for sure. Also, I haven't been able to

> >> find the

> >> > > exact U.S. federal law that is being referred to. Any thoughts?

> >> > >

> >> > > Many thanks,

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>