Re: Is it really just sound?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your post, Tani. These comments reminded me of another post I meant to respond to earlier this week. There was a comment - related to what you just said - about there being some relation of 4S to our nervous system. The words in the former post was something about an "immature nervous system".

I loved that phrase. Makes perfect sense to me. A weak nervous system is basically an immature nervous system. Ideally, that is nurtured and strengthened as we grow up. But if not, then well, we get to live with that until/if it matures . . .

Reminds me of something I read once, that we inherit the nervous system of our parents. Weak nervous systems of one's parents, creates the same in their offspring. A strong nervous system, creates offspring with the same.

That sure is true with me and my family. And changing that programming is not easy. Re-wiring, re-thinking, re-patterning thoughts/behaviors/reactions to things is a constant. Like I mentioned before, for me, meditations helps me tremendously. When I stop, or don't make/have time for it, the difference is profound.

Subject: Is it really just sound?To: Soundsensitivity Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 10:22 AM

I don't often contribute to the conversation. It helps me to read about what others are going through so thank you for that.I have been putting a lot of thought into this as I read the various posts and I wonder if 4S is really just sound or even if sound is the primary problem. I have the same issues as most of you with irritating sounds like chewing, saliva sounds when talking, etc. These sounds create a revulsion. I am filled with disgust, anger, and I want to hide. I also have sight and touch issues that produce the exact same reactions. I used to think that maybe they were OCD, but the more I ponder this, the more I think they are related to the same part of me that hates chewing.I have always washed my hands a lot, hence the thought that it was OCD. However, there really is no obsession with germs here. I am not afraid of germs in any way shape or form. I just can't touch chalk, metal, or anything that feels dusty without

feeling anger, disgust and wanting to hide. I have visual cues that send me to the same emotional place such as seeing birds lined up on telephone wires or too many feet prints (like from birds or other animals) in mud or snow. I feel so disgusted by it like it is a disease. I try very hard to never look at telephone wires with birds on them. I am not afraid of birds, I studied them in my career. I love birds. I also hate seeing people's elbows up in the air when they are eating. This I could see might be related to the sound of eating, but what about feet prints and birds on a wire?Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?Thoughts?Tani

[Guest guest]

What you are describing might be sensory processing disorder (SPD).

Try these websites for more information:

http://www.spdfoundation.net/

http://www.sensory-processing-disorder.com/

SPD can involve any or all of the senses. Not just the commonly recognised 5

senses, but also the sense of balance and the sense of " proprioception " (knowing

where all parts of your body are right now through sensors in joints and

muscles). People with SPD may have issues with touching, smells, tastes (i.e.

food pickiness), noises, visual stimuli, heights, balance, movement ... and any

combination of these things.

SPD is (in my opinion) a bit of a catch-all disorder that includes a number of

distinct conditions, possibly with separate causes and effective treatments -

all falling under the " sensory " umbrella. For instance, SPD would logically seem

to include both hyperacusis and 4S, although these are distinct conditions.

Also, the treatment for SPD ( " sensory diet " , etc) doesn't seem to be effective

at curing 4S.

Anyway, if you have more than just selected sounds and a few selected sights

that bother (enrage) you - e.g. if you react to touch or textures, etc - then I

would certainly check out SPD as a possibility.

>

> Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an

overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?

>

> Thoughts?

> Tani

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've posted a few times before that, for me, it is far larger in scope than just sound. All my senses are screwy. How you feel about touching chalk, metal, etc. or seeing things like birds on a wire, all of that type stuff bothers me immensely. I react very, very strongly to touch and sight triggers the same as I do sound. Along that line, here's something new that I've finally realized about myself and I'm wondering...who else? Remember a while back, we were talking about words and how certain words can revolt or attract us? Well, I'm wondering if this new element is a psychosis issue or another element in 4s. But I hate when people I don't know say my name. Due to conversations with work mates, I've come to realize this. It's not just that it's a stranger and I don't know them. I feel...pain at the sound of my name. I feel immense indignation, anger, resentment, disgust, pain...you get the idea, all when a person that I don't know says my

name. Thoughts on this? And today, the girl at work standing beside me was chewing her knuckle!!! I thought she was chewing her nail before I realized her finger was bent too far. She was gnawing her knuckle raw. I don't think my reaction is strange to be naturally revolted by that though, do you? That's just gross. ew, ew,ew! and seeing someone's tongue or someone who has a speech impediment, even if they aren't making sound (like the tv is on mute or they noises are masked by something else) just seeing the tongue (like a commercial where someone is licking something) or seeing someone's mouth not forming words on their tongue right...that sets me on edge something fierce. Again, like you said, it has nothing to do with the actual Sound so it must be something far, far more grand in scale than a simple ear disorder.

So it's easy to say 'I have 4s' and that's a large part of it. But there's something else out there for many of us, I feel.

Tammy

To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 1:22:08 PMSubject: Is it really just sound?

I don't often contribute to the conversation. It helps me to read about what others are going through so thank you for that.I have been putting a lot of thought into this as I read the various posts and I wonder if 4S is really just sound or even if sound is the primary problem. I have the same issues as most of you with irritating sounds like chewing, saliva sounds when talking, etc. These sounds create a revulsion. I am filled with disgust, anger, and I want to hide. I also have sight and touch issues that produce the exact same reactions. I used to think that maybe they were OCD, but the more I ponder this, the more I think they are related to the same part of me that hates chewing.I have always washed my hands a lot, hence the thought that it was OCD. However, there really is no obsession with germs here. I am not afraid of germs in any way shape or form. I just can't touch chalk, metal, or anything that feels dusty without feeling

anger, disgust and wanting to hide. I have visual cues that send me to the same emotional place such as seeing birds lined up on telephone wires or too many feet prints (like from birds or other animals) in mud or snow. I feel so disgusted by it like it is a disease. I try very hard to never look at telephone wires with birds on them. I am not afraid of birds, I studied them in my career. I love birds. I also hate seeing people's elbows up in the air when they are eating. This I could see might be related to the sound of eating, but what about feet prints and birds on a wire?Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?Thoughts?Tani

[Guest guest]

Tammy forgive me if this is way off topic, but your talk about somebody's tongue showing reminded me of this website I was on the other day, The Center for Nonverbal Studies, who promote the scientific study of nonverbal communication, which includes body movement, gesture, facial expression ect.. they have started a non-verbal dictionary on-line.The tongue-show has been studied in gorillas and human beings as a negative sign of aversiveness and social stress.http://web.archive.org/web/20070714200338/members.aol.com/nonverbal2/tonguesh.htm#TONGUE-SHOWFrom: Tammy Case To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 11:32:34 AMSubject: Re: Is it really just sound?

Hi,

I've posted a few times before that, for me, it is far larger in scope than just sound. All my senses are screwy. How you feel about touching chalk, metal, etc. or seeing things like birds on a wire, all of that type stuff bothers me immensely. I react very, very strongly to touch and sight triggers the same as I do sound. Along that line, here's something new that I've finally realized about myself and I'm wondering... who else? Remember a while back, we were talking about words and how certain words can revolt or attract us? Well, I'm wondering if this new element is a psychosis issue or another element in 4s. But I hate when people I don't know say my name. Due to conversations with work mates, I've come to realize this. It's not just that it's a stranger and I don't know them. I feel...pain at the sound of my name. I feel immense indignation, anger, resentment, disgust, pain...you get the idea, all when a person that I don't know says my

name. Thoughts on this? And today, the girl at work standing beside me was chewing her knuckle!!! I thought she was chewing her nail before I realized her finger was bent too far. She was gnawing her knuckle raw. I don't think my reaction is strange to be naturally revolted by that though, do you? That's just gross. ew, ew,ew! and seeing someone's tongue or someone who has a speech impediment, even if they aren't making sound (like the tv is on mute or they noises are masked by something else) just seeing the tongue (like a commercial where someone is licking something) or seeing someone's mouth not forming words on their tongue right...that sets me on edge something fierce. Again, like you said, it has nothing to do with the actual Sound so it must be something far, far more grand in scale than a simple ear disorder.

So it's easy to say 'I have 4s' and that's a large part of it. But there's something else out there for many of us, I feel.

Tammy

From: tani_hubbard <tani_hubbard@ yahoo.com>To: Soundsensitivity@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, January 29, 2010 1:22:08 PMSubject: Is it really just sound?

I don't often contribute to the conversation. It helps me to read about what others are going through so thank you for that.I have been putting a lot of thought into this as I read the various posts and I wonder if 4S is really just sound or even if sound is the primary problem. I have the same issues as most of you with irritating sounds like chewing, saliva sounds when talking, etc. These sounds create a revulsion. I am filled with disgust, anger, and I want to hide. I also have sight and touch issues that produce the exact same reactions. I used to think that maybe they were OCD, but the more I ponder this, the more I think they are related to the same part of me that hates chewing.I have always washed my hands a lot, hence the thought that it was OCD. However, there really is no obsession with germs here. I am not afraid of germs in any way shape or form. I just can't touch chalk, metal, or anything that feels dusty without feeling

anger, disgust and wanting to hide. I have visual cues that send me to the same emotional place such as seeing birds lined up on telephone wires or too many feet prints (like from birds or other animals) in mud or snow. I feel so disgusted by it like it is a disease. I try very hard to never look at telephone wires with birds on them. I am not afraid of birds, I studied them in my career. I love birds. I also hate seeing people's elbows up in the air when they are eating. This I could see might be related to the sound of eating, but what about feet prints and birds on a wire?Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?Thoughts?Tani

[Guest guest]



I have aversions to touching a lot of different objects, as well as texture of some food bothers me.

Vicki

Is it really just sound?

I don't often contribute to the conversation. It helps me to read about what others are going through so thank you for that.I have been putting a lot of thought into this as I read the various posts and I wonder if 4S is really just sound or even if sound is the primary problem. I have the same issues as most of you with irritating sounds like chewing, saliva sounds when talking, etc. These sounds create a revulsion. I am filled with disgust, anger, and I want to hide. I also have sight and touch issues that produce the exact same reactions. I used to think that maybe they were OCD, but the more I ponder this, the more I think they are related to the same part of me that hates chewing.I have always washed my hands a lot, hence the thought that it was OCD. However, there really is no obsession with germs here. I am not afraid of germs in any way shape or form. I just can't touch chalk, metal, or anything that feels dusty without feeling anger, disgust and wanting to hide. I have visual cues that send me to the same emotional place such as seeing birds lined up on telephone wires or too many feet prints (like from birds or other animals) in mud or snow. I feel so disgusted by it like it is a disease. I try very hard to never look at telephone wires with birds on them. I am not afraid of birds, I studied them in my career. I love birds. I also hate seeing people's elbows up in the air when they are eating. This I could see might be related to the sound of eating, but what about feet prints and birds on a wire?Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?Thoughts?Tani

[Guest guest]

Thank you for these links to the SPD sites. As I was reading the stories about

kids with SPD I admit that I saw a bit (maybe more than a bit) of myself in some

of them, especially some of the rages related to sounds, sights, and touching

that I have such a hard time tolerating. For example, since I was young, and to

this day, I cannot wearing button-down shirts with collars that might touch my

neck or face, and I am 38! That is just so weird. I also have other touching

dislikes that seem so silly to me to think about, but they are very real and I

have to do some major social contortions sometimes to avoid them.

My husband thinks all my little sound and touching quirks (and now I feel

comfortable placing them in a single broad catetory) are a bit funny, but he is

very understanding and does not laugh at me in a mean way about them, thank

goodness.

I am sure I have some kind of SPD-related problem too, now that I have read

this. To be honest, knowing that this is an actual problem that has a real

cause helps me feel a bit kinder toward myself.

Peace,

Jen

> >

> > Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an

overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?

> >

> > Thoughts?

> > Tani

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Heya, yeah I can't deal with touching chalk or picking up anything off of a

cement or dusty floor. I don't like anything under my fingernails so don't do

gardening or anything involving dirt.

I have a hyper sense of smell which wasn't great when I lived in NYC and

certainly does me no good taking care of my older parents.

The tongue thing drives me batsh*t. My dad has no teeth and can't keep his

tongue in his mouth, I can't look at him or I freak out. We fight about it all

the time.

Rappers lip their lips constantly so I can't watch that sort of video or

performance as it really really bothers me.

I like it when anyone says my name though, so long as they pronounce it

correctly.

I have so many questions that I wonder on this group but it doesn't allow the

members to do polls, or at least it won't allow me to =(.

pk

>

> Hi,

>

> I've posted a few times before that, for me, it is far larger in scope than

just sound. All my senses are screwy. How you feel about touching chalk, metal,

etc. or seeing things like birds on a wire, all of that type stuff bothers me

immensely. I react very, very strongly to touch and sight triggers the same as I

do sound. Along that line, here's something new that I've finally realized about

myself and I'm wondering...who else? Remember a while back, we were talking

about words and how certain words can revolt or attract us? Well, I'm wondering

if this new element is a psychosis issue or another element in 4s. But I hate

when people I don't know say my name. Due to conversations with work mates, I've

come to realize this. It's not just that it's a stranger and I don't know them.

I feel...pain at the sound of my name. I feel immense indignation, anger,

resentment, disgust, pain...you get the idea, all when a person that I don't

know says my name.

> Thoughts on this? And today, the girl at work standing beside me was chewing

her knuckle!!! I thought she was chewing her nail before I realized her finger

was bent too far. She was gnawing her knuckle raw. I don't think my reaction is

strange to be naturally revolted by that though, do you? That's just gross. ew,

ew,ew! and seeing someone's tongue or someone who has a speech impediment, even

if they aren't making sound (like the tv is on mute or they noises are masked by

something else) just seeing the tongue (like a commercial where someone is

licking something) or seeing someone's mouth not forming words on their tongue

right...that sets me on edge something fierce. Again, like you said, it has

nothing to do with the actual Sound so it must be something far, far more grand

in scale than a simple ear disorder.

> So it's easy to say 'I have 4s' and that's a large part of it. But there's

something else out there for many of us, I feel.

> Tammy

>

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>

>

>

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> To: Soundsensitivity

> Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 1:22:08 PM

> Subject: Is it really just sound?

>

>  

> I don't often contribute to the conversation. It helps me to read about what

others are going through so thank you for that.

>

> I have been putting a lot of thought into this as I read the various posts and

I wonder if 4S is really just sound or even if sound is the primary problem. I

have the same issues as most of you with irritating sounds like chewing, saliva

sounds when talking, etc. These sounds create a revulsion. I am filled with

disgust, anger, and I want to hide. I also have sight and touch issues that

produce the exact same reactions. I used to think that maybe they were OCD, but

the more I ponder this, the more I think they are related to the same part of me

that hates chewing.

>

> I have always washed my hands a lot, hence the thought that it was OCD.

However, there really is no obsession with germs here. I am not afraid of germs

in any way shape or form. I just can't touch chalk, metal, or anything that

feels dusty without feeling anger, disgust and wanting to hide.

>

> I have visual cues that send me to the same emotional place such as seeing

birds lined up on telephone wires or too many feet prints (like from birds or

other animals) in mud or snow. I feel so disgusted by it like it is a disease. I

try very hard to never look at telephone wires with birds on them. I am not

afraid of birds, I studied them in my career. I love birds. I also hate seeing

people's elbows up in the air when they are eating. This I could see might be

related to the sound of eating, but what about feet prints and birds on a wire?

>

> Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an

overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?

>

> Thoughts?

> Tani

>

[Guest guest]

very intersting article. thanx :)Tammy

To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 1:07:36 PMSubject: Re: Is it really just sound?

Tammy forgive me if this is way off topic, but your talk about somebody's tongue showing reminded me of this website I was on the other day, The Center for Nonverbal Studies, who promote the scientific study of nonverbal communication, which includes body movement, gesture, facial expression ect.. they have started a non-verbal dictionary on-line.The tongue-show has been studied in gorillas and human beings as a negative sign of aversiveness and social stress.http://web.archive. org/web/20070714 200338/members. aol.com/nonverba l2/tonguesh. htm#TONGUE- SHOW

From: Tammy Case <tgcase1yahoo (DOT) com>To: Soundsensitivity@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, January 30, 2010 11:32:34 AMSubject: Re: Is it really just sound?

Hi,

I've posted a few times before that, for me, it is far larger in scope than just sound. All my senses are screwy. How you feel about touching chalk, metal, etc. or seeing things like birds on a wire, all of that type stuff bothers me immensely. I react very, very strongly to touch and sight triggers the same as I do sound. Along that line, here's something new that I've finally realized about myself and I'm wondering... who else? Remember a while back, we were talking about words and how certain words can revolt or attract us? Well, I'm wondering if this new element is a psychosis issue or another element in 4s. But I hate when people I don't know say my name. Due to conversations with work mates, I've come to realize this. It's not just that it's a stranger and I don't know them. I feel...pain at the sound of my name. I feel immense indignation, anger, resentment, disgust, pain...you get the idea, all when a person that I don't know says my

name. Thoughts on this? And today, the girl at work standing beside me was chewing her knuckle!!! I thought she was chewing her nail before I realized her finger was bent too far. She was gnawing her knuckle raw. I don't think my reaction is strange to be naturally revolted by that though, do you? That's just gross. ew, ew,ew! and seeing someone's tongue or someone who has a speech impediment, even if they aren't making sound (like the tv is on mute or they noises are masked by something else) just seeing the tongue (like a commercial where someone is licking something) or seeing someone's mouth not forming words on their tongue right...that sets me on edge something fierce. Again, like you said, it has nothing to do with the actual Sound so it must be something far, far more grand in scale than a simple ear disorder.

So it's easy to say 'I have 4s' and that's a large part of it. But there's something else out there for many of us, I feel.

Tammy

From: tani_hubbard <tani_hubbard@ yahoo.com>To: Soundsensitivity@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, January 29, 2010 1:22:08 PMSubject: Is it really just sound?

I don't often contribute to the conversation. It helps me to read about what others are going through so thank you for that.I have been putting a lot of thought into this as I read the various posts and I wonder if 4S is really just sound or even if sound is the primary problem. I have the same issues as most of you with irritating sounds like chewing, saliva sounds when talking, etc. These sounds create a revulsion. I am filled with disgust, anger, and I want to hide. I also have sight and touch issues that produce the exact same reactions. I used to think that maybe they were OCD, but the more I ponder this, the more I think they are related to the same part of me that hates chewing.I have always washed my hands a lot, hence the thought that it was OCD. However, there really is no obsession with germs here. I am not afraid of germs in any way shape or form. I just can't touch chalk, metal, or anything that feels dusty without feeling

anger, disgust and wanting to hide. I have visual cues that send me to the same emotional place such as seeing birds lined up on telephone wires or too many feet prints (like from birds or other animals) in mud or snow. I feel so disgusted by it like it is a disease. I try very hard to never look at telephone wires with birds on them. I am not afraid of birds, I studied them in my career. I love birds. I also hate seeing people's elbows up in the air when they are eating. This I could see might be related to the sound of eating, but what about feet prints and birds on a wire?Could this really be a larger sensory issue rather than just sound where an overload on a particular sense triggers anger and the need to get away?Thoughts?Tani