Re: What is stage 4 liver disease?- It is cirrhosis, or ESLD

[Guest guest]

Hi, Donny, my name is Bobby.

There is one stage of true cirrhosis, and that is 4. Cirrhosis is stage 4 liver

disease, which is the end stage. There are no more stages after this one. Stage

3 liver disease is PARTIAL fibrosis, reversable, and not quite end stage. Stage

4 is ESLD.

Stage 3 is NOT cirrhosis, stage 4 IS CIRRHOSIS.

There are two kinds of cirrhosis- COMPENSATED and DE-COMPENSATED.

COMPENSATED means no or few complications have happened. This benchmark is

flexible. You could experience ONE bleed or ONE episode of encephalopathy, and

then if you improve because of a change as in stopping drinking, or losing

weight, then they might call it COMPENSATED.

DE-COMPENSATED means that complications have occurred and stayed and are severe

and life threatening. This includes liver failure, ascites, encephalopathy,

edema, variceal bleeding, hepatopulmonary or hepato renal syndromes.

When a person has DECOMPENSATED cirrhosis, they need a LIVER TRANSPLANT.

When I first heard that I had stage 4 liver cirrhosis, I thought it was like the

grades of cancer, but it is not. Hep C is a different matter and I would have to

look up those stages

Bobby.

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 4:23:18 PM

Subject: Why Me

Hey My name is Donny I will be 46 next week.....i was diagnose with a fatty

liver known as NASH non-alcoholic-steatosis and I have had a biopsy last

month...now they say I have cirrosis ...i do not have any systoms other than I

have mild pain in my right side...i dont know what stage it in . I have a

appointment on Feb...7 with a hepatologist. I was just wandering what to

expect...i feel fine ......my appetite is good ,,,,how do they determine the

stages of cirrosis???

Thanks for any info.

Donny

[Guest guest]

Hi Bobby: Thought I would tell you about this: The day after my husband's

transplant the surgeon came in to see him. This surgeon was a cute little

Japanese man who speaks very fast and always asks if we have any questions. I

happened to see a clipboard in the room with a picture on it of the various

stages of liver disease. I showed it to him and asked " which one of these did

's liver look like? " He pointed to the worst looking one (it said under the

picture, necrotic cirrhosis) and said " this one. this one here. very bad

liver " ! Wow! Jackie

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> Hi, Donny, my name is Bobby.

> There is one stage of true cirrhosis, and that is 4. Cirrhosis is stage 4

liver

> disease, which is the end stage. There are no more stages after this one.

Stage

> 3 liver disease is PARTIAL fibrosis, reversable, and not quite end stage.

Stage

> 4 is ESLD.

> Stage 3 is NOT cirrhosis, stage 4 IS CIRRHOSIS.

>

> There are two kinds of cirrhosis- COMPENSATED and DE-COMPENSATED.

> COMPENSATED means no or few complications have happened. This benchmark is

> flexible. You could experience ONE bleed or ONE episode of encephalopathy, and

> then if you improve because of a change as in stopping drinking, or losing

> weight, then they might call it COMPENSATED.

>

> DE-COMPENSATED means that complications have occurred and stayed and are

severe

> and life threatening. This includes liver failure, ascites, encephalopathy,

> edema, variceal bleeding, hepatopulmonary or hepato renal syndromes.

>

> When a person has DECOMPENSATED cirrhosis, they need a LIVER TRANSPLANT.

> When I first heard that I had stage 4 liver cirrhosis, I thought it was like

the

> grades of cancer, but it is not. Hep C is a different matter and I would have

to

> look up those stages

>

> Bobby.

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> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 4:23:18 PM

> Subject: Why Me

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> Hey My name is Donny I will be 46 next week.....i was diagnose with a fatty

> liver known as NASH non-alcoholic-steatosis and I have had a biopsy last

> month...now they say I have cirrosis ...i do not have any systoms other than I

> have mild pain in my right side...i dont know what stage it in . I have a

> appointment on Feb...7 with a hepatologist. I was just wandering what to

> expect...i feel fine ......my appetite is good ,,,,how do they determine the

> stages of cirrosis???

> Thanks for any info.

> Donny

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Bobby for the info....I really think mine is in the very early

stage...i have not had any episode of anything other a slight pain in my rt.

abdomin....i have a very good appetite....feel sluggish on some days...but for

the most i feel ok.....I have my first appmt with a hepatologist on 2/7......i

have been seeing a gastrologist and was not getiing any satisfaction from

him....so i am wanting to whats GOING on.....with my liver...they found this at

a health fair at my employers...so anything you can tell will greatly

appreciate.....i was wandering on what to expect...signs to watch for

etc....Thanks!

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> > Hi, Donny, my name is Bobby.

> > There is one stage of true cirrhosis, and that is 4. Cirrhosis is stage 4

liver

> > disease, which is the end stage. There are no more stages after this one.

Stage

> > 3 liver disease is PARTIAL fibrosis, reversable, and not quite end stage.

Stage

> > 4 is ESLD.

> > Stage 3 is NOT cirrhosis, stage 4 IS CIRRHOSIS.

> >

> > There are two kinds of cirrhosis- COMPENSATED and DE-COMPENSATED.

> > COMPENSATED means no or few complications have happened. This benchmark is

> > flexible. You could experience ONE bleed or ONE episode of encephalopathy,

and

> > then if you improve because of a change as in stopping drinking, or losing

> > weight, then they might call it COMPENSATED.

> >

> > DE-COMPENSATED means that complications have occurred and stayed and are

severe

> > and life threatening. This includes liver failure, ascites, encephalopathy,

> > edema, variceal bleeding, hepatopulmonary or hepato renal syndromes.

> >

> > When a person has DECOMPENSATED cirrhosis, they need a LIVER TRANSPLANT.

> > When I first heard that I had stage 4 liver cirrhosis, I thought it was like

the

> > grades of cancer, but it is not. Hep C is a different matter and I would

have to

> > look up those stages

> >

> > Bobby.

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> > From: donnywilliams2006 <donnywilliams2006@>

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 4:23:18 PM

> > Subject: Why Me

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> >

> > Hey My name is Donny I will be 46 next week.....i was diagnose with a fatty

> > liver known as NASH non-alcoholic-steatosis and I have had a biopsy last

> > month...now they say I have cirrosis ...i do not have any systoms other than

I

> > have mild pain in my right side...i dont know what stage it in . I have a

> > appointment on Feb...7 with a hepatologist. I was just wandering what to

> > expect...i feel fine ......my appetite is good ,,,,how do they determine the

> > stages of cirrosis???

> > Thanks for any info.

> > Donny

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