Re: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

You are describing me 2 1/2 years ago.  I have found that Trazadol helps me to

relax and sleep.

 

I am going down the itching road right now....I hate this.  This is my feel

sorry week.  Thanks for listening...

 

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

 

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

How logn did it last with you.....days, weeks??? We are on our 4th day with 2hrs

sleep here and there and then walking walking up and down off the

couch......more walking walking and back to in and out of bed......for hours and

hours......i don't know how to help her

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 6:11:25 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

You are describing me 2 1/2 years ago. I have found that Trazadol helps me to

relax and sleep.

I am going down the itching road right now....I hate this. This is my feel

sorry week. Thanks for listening...

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

It lasted a long time for me.  I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was

a long time.  I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased

the pain.

 

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working. 

 

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

It lasted a long time for me.  I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was

a

long time.  I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased

the

pain.

 

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working. 

 

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

curious as all get out,  marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little more

free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this can't

wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh bobby.

lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

i feel for your mother,i also have been thru the no sleep for days my syco dr

said that if i could get sleep it would help with my other issues they tried

abien and it did not agree vwith me.they have given more antidepresants and

muscle relaxers they work some i am nore on a 3mg lunesta and it has helped alot

i ow onlt getup maybe once.i have had the itching problem off and on also they

gave ursodoil to help with it.also helen if your mom is having alot of confusion

ask about puting her on xixifin it really helpps with that i als take lactulose

three to 4 times per day . hope this helps some good luck and god bless.

bev,tx

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:02:58 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

curious as all get out,  marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little more

free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this can't

wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh bobby.

lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

I was having trouble sleeping at home, couldn''t go to sleep until about 4

in the morning. I would get chest pain if I went to bed. and then have to

sit up on the side of the bed, finally came out to the living room and

slept iin the recliner, have been doing it ever since. In the hospital,

they always want to give me ambien, it does help to get me to sleep, but if

I wake up to go to the bathroom then I can't go to sleep again, One doctor

did okay taking a second dose at when I woke up, if it was before 1 AM but

that didn't work. What works for me, is xanax. I started with .5 mg

probably 5 years ago when two angiograms showed no blockages. The only

conclusion for the pain was stress. My doctor knew I was living in a very

stressful situation, and we had talked about the possibility before the

second clear angio. So, he gave me a prescription which was later taken

over by my pcp since it isn't a med normally prescribed by a cardio

speciialist. Then my grandson came to stay, was here for 4 months because

his dad kicked him outl. More stress, so they said I could take two every

night to make sure I could sleep, worked great, get up 2 to 3 times to go to

the bathroom and then not long before I was back to sleep. Grandson left

and I went back to 1 again, until I ended up in the er with heart rhythm

problems, beating so hard and irregular it kept me awake. ER doc said to go

back to the 2 before bedtime. I had noticed that the xanax even calmed

down my heart beat and the doctor confirmed that. Now my insurance

formulary only pays for 30 pills per prescription refill, so going to ask

the new doctor I am seeing for the first time on Saturday if I can get a

prescription for 1 mg and that will last me a month. If I don't think I

will need the whole thing,I have a pill cutter, or even better parry knives

to cut off some. And some nights I fall asleep without taking one. And as

my kidneys are doing less and less, I have to get up less during the night.

Was amazed when I actually slept straight through about 8 hours one night.

Jan

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Beverly Hurlock

wrote:

> i feel for your mother,i also have been thru the no sleep for days my syco

> dr

> said that if i could get sleep it would help with my other issues they

> tried

> abien and it did not agree vwith me.they have given more antidepresants and

> muscle relaxers they work some i am nore on a 3mg lunesta and it has helped

> alot

> i ow onlt getup maybe once.i have had the itching problem off and on also

> they

> gave ursodoil to help with it.also helen if your mom is having alot of

> confusion

> ask about puting her on xixifin it really helpps with that i als take

> lactulose

> three to 4 times per day . hope this helps some good luck and god bless.

>

> bev,tx

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little

> more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this

> can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh

> bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up

> later and

>

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana

> Doctor

>

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard

> great

>

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to

> bring her

>

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies

> before or

>

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was

> lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only

> got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an

> hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated

> with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get

> up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not

> last

>

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night

> and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my

> family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to

> watch

>

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it

> was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased

> the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry

> for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to

> you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She

> sleeps for

>

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I

> understand

>

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is

> awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am

> I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I

> timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness.

> But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the

> bowels

>

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is

> the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her

> some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy

> and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand. This is because

that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical marajuana for

the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in the

neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High stadium, and

on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the locations of

dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it. The catch

is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with machine

guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana is still a

federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical use is to

be expected, whatsoever.

I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that it is still

in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of jail free

cards.

The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it was recently

given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available just down

the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal prison, a felon,

unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone should

decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up with a charge!

Good luck, Helen..

Love, Bobby

P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South America? In

other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little more

free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this can't

wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh bobby.

lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

I did not know that it was still illegal  to use marijuana for medical reasons

in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it must of been

made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here in Canada you

can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of course a

better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and although I

do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such as cancers

that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps them rest and

increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a weirdo don't I,

but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which helps no one

with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll probably

get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand. This is because

that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical marajuana for

the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in the

neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High stadium, and

on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the locations of

dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it. The catch

is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with machine

guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana is still a

federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical use is to

be expected, whatsoever.

I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that it is still

in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of jail free

cards.

The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it was recently

given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available just down

the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal prison, a felon,

unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone should

decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up with a charge!

Good luck, Helen..

Love, Bobby

P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South America? In

other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little more

free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this can't

wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh bobby.

lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

jan, the xanax is good but they will not give it a alcoholic because it is very

addictive my drs are really very careful what they give me so i just i have to

deal with the pain most of the time. good luck

bev,tx

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 11:18:20 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

I was having trouble sleeping at home, couldn''t go to sleep until about 4

in the morning. I would get chest pain if I went to bed. and then have to

sit up on the side of the bed, finally came out to the living room and

slept iin the recliner, have been doing it ever since. In the hospital,

they always want to give me ambien, it does help to get me to sleep, but if

I wake up to go to the bathroom then I can't go to sleep again, One doctor

did okay taking a second dose at when I woke up, if it was before 1 AM but

that didn't work. What works for me, is xanax. I started with .5 mg

probably 5 years ago when two angiograms showed no blockages. The only

conclusion for the pain was stress. My doctor knew I was living in a very

stressful situation, and we had talked about the possibility before the

second clear angio. So, he gave me a prescription which was later taken

over by my pcp since it isn't a med normally prescribed by a cardio

speciialist. Then my grandson came to stay, was here for 4 months because

his dad kicked him outl. More stress, so they said I could take two every

night to make sure I could sleep, worked great, get up 2 to 3 times to go to

the bathroom and then not long before I was back to sleep. Grandson left

and I went back to 1 again, until I ended up in the er with heart rhythm

problems, beating so hard and irregular it kept me awake. ER doc said to go

back to the 2 before bedtime. I had noticed that the xanax even calmed

down my heart beat and the doctor confirmed that. Now my insurance

formulary only pays for 30 pills per prescription refill, so going to ask

the new doctor I am seeing for the first time on Saturday if I can get a

prescription for 1 mg and that will last me a month. If I don't think I

will need the whole thing,I have a pill cutter, or even better parry knives

to cut off some. And some nights I fall asleep without taking one. And as

my kidneys are doing less and less, I have to get up less during the night.

Was amazed when I actually slept straight through about 8 hours one night.

Jan

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Beverly Hurlock

wrote:

> i feel for your mother,i also have been thru the no sleep for days my syco

> dr

> said that if i could get sleep it would help with my other issues they

> tried

> abien and it did not agree vwith me.they have given more antidepresants and

> muscle relaxers they work some i am nore on a 3mg lunesta and it has helped

> alot

> i ow onlt getup maybe once.i have had the itching problem off and on also

> they

> gave ursodoil to help with it.also helen if your mom is having alot of

> confusion

> ask about puting her on xixifin it really helpps with that i als take

> lactulose

> three to 4 times per day . hope this helps some good luck and god bless.

>

> bev,tx

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little

> more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this

> can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh

> bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up

> later and

>

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana

> Doctor

>

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard

> great

>

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to

> bring her

>

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies

> before or

>

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was

> lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only

> got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an

> hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated

> with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get

> up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not

> last

>

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night

> and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my

> family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to

> watch

>

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it

> was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased

> the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry

> for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to

> you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She

> sleeps for

>

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I

> understand

>

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is

> awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am

> I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I

> timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness.

> But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the

> bowels

>

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is

> the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her

> some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy

> and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't know a felon could never collect Social Security. Do they

still take it out of the felons paycheck?

Roni

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry that idea doesn't work for you I was having trouble with my old pcp.

She insisted that I fill out a form every time I got a prescriptionl She

probably saw the cirrhosis on my medical records, figured i was an alcolhoic

so she was going to make sure I didn't abuse it. My insurance does that

very well, won't pay for more than a months worth of meds at a time. So, I

now have a new new pcp, first official appointment tomorrow. I interviewed

him before I switched over so i knew I wouldn't have the same problems

with him. Sorry you have that pain I used to have it in my back with

every step, but don't know if I just got used to it, or if it just went down

to an ache nowl. It can get bad at times when I forget to be careful. Jan

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Beverly Hurlock

wrote:

> jan, the xanax is good but they will not give it a alcoholic because it is

> very

> addictive my drs are really very careful what they give me so i just i have

> to

> deal with the pain most of the time. good luck

>

> bev,tx

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 11:18:20 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> I was having trouble sleeping at home, couldn''t go to sleep until about 4

> in the morning. I would get chest pain if I went to bed. and then have to

> sit up on the side of the bed, finally came out to the living room and

> slept iin the recliner, have been doing it ever since. In the hospital,

> they always want to give me ambien, it does help to get me to sleep, but if

> I wake up to go to the bathroom then I can't go to sleep again, One doctor

> did okay taking a second dose at when I woke up, if it was before 1 AM but

> that didn't work. What works for me, is xanax. I started with .5 mg

> probably 5 years ago when two angiograms showed no blockages. The only

> conclusion for the pain was stress. My doctor knew I was living in a very

> stressful situation, and we had talked about the possibility before the

> second clear angio. So, he gave me a prescription which was later taken

> over by my pcp since it isn't a med normally prescribed by a cardio

> speciialist. Then my grandson came to stay, was here for 4 months because

> his dad kicked him outl. More stress, so they said I could take two every

> night to make sure I could sleep, worked great, get up 2 to 3 times to go

> to

> the bathroom and then not long before I was back to sleep. Grandson left

> and I went back to 1 again, until I ended up in the er with heart rhythm

> problems, beating so hard and irregular it kept me awake. ER doc said to go

> back to the 2 before bedtime. I had noticed that the xanax even calmed

> down my heart beat and the doctor confirmed that. Now my insurance

> formulary only pays for 30 pills per prescription refill, so going to ask

> the new doctor I am seeing for the first time on Saturday if I can get a

> prescription for 1 mg and that will last me a month. If I don't think I

> will need the whole thing,I have a pill cutter, or even better parry knives

> to cut off some. And some nights I fall asleep without taking one. And as

> my kidneys are doing less and less, I have to get up less during the night.

> Was amazed when I actually slept straight through about 8 hours one night.

> Jan

>

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Beverly Hurlock

> wrote:

>

> > i feel for your mother,i also have been thru the no sleep for days my

> syco

> > dr

> > said that if i could get sleep it would help with my other issues they

> > tried

> > abien and it did not agree vwith me.they have given more antidepresants

> and

> > muscle relaxers they work some i am nore on a 3mg lunesta and it has

> helped

> > alot

> > i ow onlt getup maybe once.i have had the itching problem off and on also

> > they

> > gave ursodoil to help with it.also helen if your mom is having alot of

> > confusion

> > ask about puting her on xixifin it really helpps with that i als take

> > lactulose

> > three to 4 times per day . hope this helps some good luck and god bless.

> >

> > bev,tx

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:02:58 PM

> > Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> > Insomnia....any suggestions?

> >

> >

> > curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little

> > more

> > free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this

> > can't

> > wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh

> > bobby.

> > lol

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> > Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> > Insomnia....any suggestions?

> >

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an

> anti

> > depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up

> > later and

> >

> >

> > pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana

> > Doctor

> >

> >

> > to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard

> > great

> >

> >

> > things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to

> > bring her

> >

> >

> > to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies

> > before or

> >

> >

> > heard of them?

> > Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> > Helen

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> > Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> > Insomnia....any suggestions?

> >

> > I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was

> > lucky

> > to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> > dodctor

> > tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only

> > got

> > maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an

> > hour

> > there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated

> > with me

> > and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get

> > up,

> > and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> > morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does

> not

> > last

> >

> >

> > anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night

> > and

> > still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my

> > family

> > doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

> >

> > I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used

> to

> > watch

> >

> >

> > TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> > Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> > Insomnia....any suggestions?

> >

> > It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it

> > was a

> >

> > long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it

> eased

> > the

> >

> > pain.

> >

> > Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

> >

> > Lyncia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> > Insomnia....any

> > suggestions?

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

> >

> > Hello,

> > I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

> > failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> > complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry

> > for

> > those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to

> > you,

> > as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

> >

> > I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She

> > sleeps for

> >

> >

> > maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I

> > understand

> >

> >

> > the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

> > insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is

> > awake.

> > Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so

> am

> > I.

> > She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I

> > timed

> > how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> > apartment

> > as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go

> from

> > underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness.

> > But

> > this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> > would be appreciated.

> >

> > Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the

> > bowels

> >

> >

> > moving.

> >

> > She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this

> is

> > the

> > chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her

> > some

> > relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

> > appreciated.

> >

> > She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy

> > and

> > pain.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sharon says that what she read on the subject is the following: If you are

currently receiving social security disability, and are convicted of a felony

crime, they can and often do take it away from you. The rest , I am unsure of.

One of my cousins was recently convicted and this is what happened.

Love, Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:23:25 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I didn't know a felon could never collect Social Security. Do they

still take it out of the felons paycheck?

Roni

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am starting to see things much different than I used to. I believe that coca

leaves in their natural form, poppies as well as marijuana are natural medicines

given to us by our creator. We have the right to use them for the purpose

intended, but unfortunately we have forfeited those rights.

Alcohol when taken in moderation is safe and even healthy, but unlike the other

three mentioned,it is toxic,where coca, poppies and marijuana are all non toxic.

These are just my personal opinions. I have been reading a lot about the subject

lately. Even one hundred years ago, things were so so much different. The

majority of addicts were middle aged house wives. People were quite sure that

the problem of drug addiction was just horrible and couldnt get any worse, so we

must enact the strictest controls and laws to eradicate the problem. Oh, my how

we have screwed this one up! I'd better shut up before I say too much. I am sure

people see where I am coming from.

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:30:42 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Haven't been on for 5 or 6 months...long story...ever increasing

fatigue...recently had blood work by my primary physician..his nurse called and

said all my blood counts are extremely low..she scheduled appt. mid Dec. with 

hematologist...had them fax results to my hepatologist yesterday...haven't had

any noticeable blood loss like with variceal bleed..I know cirrohsis can cause

some low blood counts, but was wondering if you guys had all your blood

counts extremely low,  (as the nurse put it to me).       

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:18:40 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

I am starting to see things much different than I used to. I believe that coca

leaves in their natural form, poppies as well as marijuana are natural medicines

given to us by our creator. We have the right to use them for the purpose

intended, but unfortunately we have forfeited those rights.

Alcohol when taken in moderation is safe and even healthy, but unlike the other

three mentioned,it is toxic,where coca, poppies and marijuana are all non toxic.

These are just my personal opinions. I have been reading a lot about the subject

lately. Even one hundred years ago, things were so so much different. The

majority of addicts were middle aged house wives. People were quite sure that

the problem of drug addiction was just horrible and couldnt get any worse, so we

must enact the strictest controls and laws to eradicate the problem. Oh, my how

we have screwed this one up! I'd better shut up before I say too much. I am sure

people see where I am coming from.

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:30:42 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys

I actually live up here in British Columbia, Canada. This is the province whose

major cash crop is good old marijuana!! Also, MJ is allowed for medical use and

I understand that, that is so in several states now.

However, I have also heard absolutely horrifying news about the use as well.

It's of the people that were prescribed medical pot and then, when it came time

to be placed on the transplant list, they were rejected for using it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally, I never did like pot and I sure hate the smell of the stuff that is

grown here. I'm a product of the 60's and 70's and it sure didn't smell like

skunk cabbage back then. However, I would rather either smoke it or eat the

cookies etc. than take narcotic prescriptions. Yup, I'm much more afraid of

getting hooked on things like oxycotin, methadone or morphine until it is

absolutely necessary.

I'm with Bobby - besides alcohol, those other legal drugs are more dangerous.

Thankfully, when the time comes, I will be able to get my prescription for pot

and not have to fear that any cops are coming to take me away.

Truthfully, I don't really think that our RCMP would even bother with this

little ole lady, even if I had a couple of plants growing for self-use.

However, I doubt that my little grow op would remain there until maturity

because some neighbour will surely come and cut them before I could. LOL

Gloria

________________________________

In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand. This is because

that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical marajuana for

the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in the

neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High stadium, and

on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the locations of

dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it. The catch

is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with machine

guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana is still a

federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical use is to

be expected, whatsoever.

I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that it is still

in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of jail free

cards.

The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it was recently

given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available just down

the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal prison, a felon,

unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone should

decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up with a charge!

Good luck, Helen..

Love, Bobby

P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South America? In

other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little more

free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this can't

wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh bobby.

lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

Joan

So where are you in Canada?? I'm away out here on Vancouver Island. For

everybody, that's the large island that sits out from the coast of Washington

State and British Columbia. In fact, if the border had actually gone straight

back when, 1/3 of the island would be American.

Gloria

________________________________

I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for medical reasons

in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it must of been

made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here in Canada you

can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of course a

better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and although I

do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such as cancers

that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps them rest and

increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a weirdo don't I,

but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which helps no one

with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll probably

get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand. This is because

that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical marajuana for

the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in the

neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High stadium, and

on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the locations of

dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it. The catch

is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with machine

guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana is still a

federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical use is to

be expected, whatsoever.

I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that it is still

in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of jail free

cards.

The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it was recently

given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available just down

the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal prison, a felon,

unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone should

decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up with a charge!

Good luck, Helen..

Love, Bobby

P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South America? In

other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a little more

free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of this can't

wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an american Eh bobby.

lol

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

Thank you,

I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like an anti

depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it up later and

pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical Marijuana Doctor

to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have heard great

things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have to bring her

to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these cookies before or

heard of them?

Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

Helen

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I was lucky

to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family dodctor

tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I only got

maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour here, an hour

there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got irritated with me

and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I would get up,

and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the early

morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms does not last

anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a night and

still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but my family

doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never used to watch

TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted, but it was a

long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow it eased the

pain.

Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

Lyncia

Subject: My mothers restlessness and Insomnia....any

suggestions?

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

Hello,

I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to liver

failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the various

complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel sorry for

those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes out to you,

as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your families.

I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep. She sleeps for

maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25 I understand

the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of her

insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she is awake.

Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and so am I.

She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds ( I timed

how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the apartment

as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will go from

underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank goodness. But

this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any suggestions

would be appreciated.

Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to keep the bowels

moving.

She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know this is the

chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to get her some

relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic Encephalogy and

pain.

[Guest guest]

Touche, Rhonda

It's sad to think that the granny or the teenager could be put in prison, right

next to a murderer or a dealer in heroin or cocaine!! I don't believe that it

can happen here in the province I live in any more. If a person is caught with

a small amount, they'd usually just have it taken away and they'd be let go.

It's not worth tying up the courts with it.

Gloria

________________________________

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In the states smoking gauge aka herb, will dish the chance for a

transplant...have to be 6 month from it to be considered for a transplant..and

that is in states where it's legal or illegal I hear..a bummer since I

understand it lifts the mood and relieves the pain...and helps the

appetite...   

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 10:06:31 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

 

Touche, Rhonda

It's sad to think that the granny or the teenager could be put in prison, right

next to a murderer or a dealer in heroin or cocaine!! I don't believe that it

can happen here in the province I live in any more. If a person is caught with

a small amount, they'd usually just have it taken away and they'd be let go.

It's not worth tying up the courts with it.

Gloria

________________________________

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bobby

You know that I agree with you wholeheartedly!!

I have to wonder what percentage of society actually suffer from the worst of

the legal drugs, alcohol. I can bet that it is a whole lot higher than we'd

like to admit. However, does that give the right to the governments to outlaw

it because of that percentage that misuse it?? Then go out from there with the

cocoa or poppies. If (or when) my time comes to need heavy pain meds and I

learned that either the cocoa or the poppy could help take it away - then guess

what??

Gloria

________________________________

I am starting to see things much different than I used to. I believe that coca

leaves in their natural form, poppies as well as marijuana are natural medicines

given to us by our creator. We have the right to use them for the purpose

intended, but unfortunately we have forfeited those rights.

Alcohol when taken in moderation is safe and even healthy, but unlike the other

three mentioned,it is toxic,where coca, poppies and marijuana are all non toxic.

These are just my personal opinions. I have been reading a lot about the subject

lately. Even one hundred years ago, things were so so much different. The

majority of addicts were middle aged house wives. People were quite sure that

the problem of drug addiction was just horrible and couldnt get any worse, so we

must enact the strictest controls and laws to eradicate the problem. Oh, my how

we have screwed this one up! I'd better shut up before I say too much. I am sure

people see where I am coming from.

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:30:42 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave

I'm glad to see that you are still here, or at least that, like me you are

back! Don't know if you remember me, I'm the one that lives on that island off

the coast from you in Seattle.

Gloria

________________________________

Haven't been on for 5 or 6 months...long story...ever increasing

fatigue...recently had blood work by my primary physician..his nurse called and

said all my blood counts are extremely low..she scheduled appt. mid Dec. with

hematologist...had them fax results to my hepatologist yesterday...haven't had

any noticeable blood loss like with variceal bleed..I know cirrohsis can cause

some low blood counts, but was wondering if you guys had all your blood

counts extremely low, (as the nurse put it to me).

Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:18:40 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am starting to see things much different than I used to. I believe that coca

leaves in their natural form, poppies as well as marijuana are natural medicines

given to us by our creator. We have the right to use them for the purpose

intended, but unfortunately we have forfeited those rights.

Alcohol when taken in moderation is safe and even healthy, but unlike the other

three mentioned,it is toxic,where coca, poppies and marijuana are all non toxic.

These are just my personal opinions. I have been reading a lot about the subject

lately. Even one hundred years ago, things were so so much different. The

majority of addicts were middle aged house wives. People were quite sure that

the problem of drug addiction was just horrible and couldnt get any worse, so we

must enact the strictest controls and laws to eradicate the problem. Oh, my how

we have screwed this one up! I'd better shut up before I say too much. I am sure

people see where I am coming from.

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:30:42 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, good to hear from you, old friend. My loved one Ardis used to go

aroung a quart low, or so they always told us in the ER when ever she had to go

in. They surmised that she had a " leaker " in her esophagus or lower GI. Any how,

she would spend a night in the hospital so that they could add a quart back, and

get her electrolytes balanced or fix her creatinine level or gFR. I hope they

can patch you up soon. Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 8:54:20 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

Haven't been on for 5 or 6 months...long story...ever increasing

fatigue...recently had blood work by my primary physician..his nurse called and

said all my blood counts are extremely low..she scheduled appt. mid Dec. with

hematologist...had them fax results to my hepatologist yesterday...haven't had

any noticeable blood loss like with variceal bleed..I know cirrohsis can cause

some low blood counts, but was wondering if you guys had all your blood

counts extremely low, (as the nurse put it to me).

Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:18:40 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I am starting to see things much different than I used to. I believe that coca

leaves in their natural form, poppies as well as marijuana are natural medicines

given to us by our creator. We have the right to use them for the purpose

intended, but unfortunately we have forfeited those rights.

Alcohol when taken in moderation is safe and even healthy, but unlike the other

three mentioned,it is toxic,where coca, poppies and marijuana are all non toxic.

These are just my personal opinions. I have been reading a lot about the subject

lately. Even one hundred years ago, things were so so much different. The

majority of addicts were middle aged house wives. People were quite sure that

the problem of drug addiction was just horrible and couldnt get any worse, so we

must enact the strictest controls and laws to eradicate the problem. Oh, my how

we have screwed this one up! I'd better shut up before I say too much. I am sure

people see where I am coming from.

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:30:42 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gloria, there is a facinating show on the history channel which shows the

history of how drugs became illegal. This didnt happen over night. One at a

time, they different drugs came under scrutiny. Some were outlawed for good

reason. LSD really has no medical use. Highly purified cocaine will just kill

the crap out of you so I agree with it being illegal. Meth too.

But flowers and leaves should in my opinion be as legal as alcohol.

In Peru, people chew coca leaves and get the same kick as a cup of coffee. A

little pick me up, if you will. Poppies are the only substance on the earth that

will actually sooth pain. I am not talking about little aches and such, but I am

talking about real, dibilitating,take your breath away pain. Poppies contain 50

different alkaloids known to alleviate pain, with zero toxicity. Crayons are

more poisonous.

Pot is said to have much medicinal value, though I never cared for it myself. We

have over the years succumbed to voices which have convinced us of the evils of

these things, with much of the hysteria being unfounded.

Oh, well. I just wanted to make sure that no one in the group was un aware of

the seriousness of the catch 22 of medical marajuana, and Dave brings up a good

point-they will not give you a transplant if you've been partaking. I know that

this isnt a problem for you, but there are others for whom it may be. Love,

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:16:06 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

Bobby

You know that I agree with you wholeheartedly!!

I have to wonder what percentage of society actually suffer from the worst of

the legal drugs, alcohol. I can bet that it is a whole lot higher than we'd

like to admit. However, does that give the right to the governments to outlaw

it because of that percentage that misuse it?? Then go out from there with the

cocoa or poppies. If (or when) my time comes to need heavy pain meds and I

learned that either the cocoa or the poppy could help take it away - then guess

what??

Gloria

________________________________

I am starting to see things much different than I used to. I believe that coca

leaves in their natural form, poppies as well as marijuana are natural medicines

given to us by our creator. We have the right to use them for the purpose

intended, but unfortunately we have forfeited those rights.

Alcohol when taken in moderation is safe and even healthy, but unlike the other

three mentioned,it is toxic,where coca, poppies and marijuana are all non toxic.

These are just my personal opinions. I have been reading a lot about the subject

lately. Even one hundred years ago, things were so so much different. The

majority of addicts were middle aged house wives. People were quite sure that

the problem of drug addiction was just horrible and couldnt get any worse, so we

must enact the strictest controls and laws to eradicate the problem. Oh, my how

we have screwed this one up! I'd better shut up before I say too much. I am sure

people see where I am coming from.

Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:30:42 PM

Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

Insomnia....any suggestions?

I totally agree with Bobby Joan! Alcohol will make you violent,

aggressive. Marijuana makes you mellow. Alcohol ruins families,

relationships and your health. As far as I know.......this isn't the

case with marijuana. I guess it could ruin a marriage if one decides

they hate it and doesn't want anything to do with it. BTW, I don't

use it myself but did some in college. I don't understand why the

gubment does what it does concerning this. Makes no sense to me to

send a grannie to jail for growing a little in her garden to ease her

pain. Not to mention tying up our court systems busting the teenagers

for having a joint in their car.

Roni

> I did not know that it was still illegal to use marijuana for

> medical reasons

> in the States. I thought with the talk of cookies and such that it

> must of been

> made legal for medical reasons. I am so sorry that it is not, here

> in Canada you

> can get 5 grams a month with a prescription from a doctor. With of

> course a

> better part of your life spent filling out forms and such first and

> although I

> do not use it (yet) I know of many people for other conditions such

> as cancers

> that use it and it helps so much. Eases pain, relaxes them, helps

> them rest and

> increases appetite so what is so bad about that? I sound like a

> weirdo don't I,

> but I agree with Bobby you can get all the booze you want which

> helps no one

> with anything and yet you cannot get something that would help. I'll

> probably

> get arreted the next time I try to cross the border! lol

>

> And bobby at this point anything is possible lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 7:01:38 AM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

>

> In my home town of Denver, the lines at the DMV are out of hand.

> This is because

>

> that is where you go to obtain a special licence to grow medical

> marajuana for

> the dispensaries. There are signs all up and down the main street in

> the

> neighborhood where I grew up, 10 miles directly south of Mile High

> stadium, and

> on the street which it is located, hundreds of signs mark the

> locations of

> dispensaries for marajuana, brownies, cookies, tablets, you name it.

> The catch

> is that already several of them have been raided federal agents with

> machine

> guns, and shooting flash bang grenades... at grandmothers! Marijuana

> is still a

> federal crime here. In the entire copuntry, and NO mercy for medical

> use is to

> be expected, whatsoever.

> I would caution anyone who obtaines marajuana for medical use that

> it is still

> in fact against the law, and there is no such thing as get out of

> jail free

> cards.

>

> The world is truely upside down with alcohol, a drug so lethal, it

> was recently

> given a status as more dangerous than methamphetamine, is available

> just down

> the street, and possesion of marajuana will land you in federal

> prison, a felon,

>

> unable to ever collect social security, or vote. Caution. Everyone

> should

> decide for themselves. I do not want to see any one get caught up

> with a charge!

> Good luck, Helen..

>

> Love, Bobby

>

> P.s,Joan- isnt ther a North America, Central America, and South

> America? In

> other words, are you sure that you arent one? lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:02:58 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> curious as all get out, marijuana cookies??? I thought we were a

> little more

> free thinking up here in the north country but I have never heard of

> this can't

> wait to hear what everyone has to say. May have to become an

> american Eh bobby.

> lol

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 2:08:36 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> Thank you,

>

> I called the doc today and she has prescribed elavil which is like

> an anti

> depressant aswell as something that treats insomnia....will pick it

> up later and

>

> pray it works for her tonight. I also want to contact a Medical

> Marijuana Doctor

>

> to see if its possible to try some medical marijuana cookies. I have

> heard great

>

> things about them for insomnias. My Mum lives in New York so I have

> to bring her

>

> to New Jersey to a new doctor for that. Has anyone tried these

> cookies before or

>

> heard of them?

> Thanks again for your input, it really helps.

> Helen

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:12:18 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> I am sorry to tell you but my last episode of severe insomnia were I

> was lucky

> to get two hours a night lasted for months. My specialist and family

> dodctor

> tried different medications but even with some really strong ones I

> only got

> maybe 4 hours. And it was not 4 hours in a row it was half hour

> here, an hour

> there constantlty up and down like your Mom. Even my dogs got

> irritated with me

> and would do that low growl in the back of there throats when I

> would get up,

> and I discovered that they are really wimps and will not walk in the

> early

> morning hours like 2 or 3. lol I hope for your sake that your moms

> does not last

>

> anywere near this long, even now i don't sleep well, maybe 6 hours a

> night and

> still up and down a couple of times. I miss a good nights sleep, but

> my family

> doctor says sleep is over rated but I do not agree with her.

>

> I doubt a good nights sleep will ever happen again for me, I never

> used to watch

>

> TV now I know all of the shows. Joan

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:44:22 PM

> Subject: Re: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any suggestions?

>

> It lasted a long time for me. I don't remember how long it lasted,

> but it was a

>

> long time. I slept outside in the two person swing because somehow

> it eased the

>

> pain.

>

> Please go and tell her doctor that her meds are not working.

>

> Lyncia

>

>

>

>

> Subject: My mothers restlessness and

> Insomnia....any

> suggestions?

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:01 PM

>

> Hello,

> I am trying to take care of my mother who has complications due to

> liver

> failure. I won't go into everything as all of you know already the

> various

> complications associated with this horrible disease. I really feel

> sorry for

> those of you who do not have enough help or support. My heart goes

> out to you,

> as I really believe you need all the help you can get from your

> families.

>

> I am at my wits end at the moment because my mother cannot sleep.

> She sleeps for

>

> maybe 2 hours with the help of Ambian 2x10mg, Melatonin, Valium .25

> I understand

>

> the chemical reaction going on in the blood and this is the cause of

> her

> insomnia. But worse is that she cannot just sit and relax while she

> is awake.

> Her body/brain will not let her rest and she is really exhausted and

> so am I.

> She is up and down off the couch, in and out of bed every 30 seconds

> ( I timed

> how long she can sit still) I have to walk with her, up and down the

> apartment

> as I am afraid she will fall from exhaustion or that her legs will

> go from

> underneath her. She is not in pain as we have pain patches thank

> goodness. But

> this very serious restlessness is driving me and her crazy. Any

> suggestions

> would be appreciated.

>

> Just so you know. She takes Antibiotic and a little Lactulose to

> keep the bowels

>

> moving.

>

> She walks and talks like she is drunk but she is not, again I know

> this is the

> chemicals talking or the sick liver really. Anyhow, would love to

> get her some

> relief from her misery so again any help or suggestions would be

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> She has been in the hospital 4 times since March with Hepatic

> Encephalogy and

> pain.

>

>