Re: need to vent

August 30, 2010

Thanks Bobby for agreeing with me on the marijaunna and the Disability

insurance. I am pretty confident that if I re aply now I will be approved

after I jump through their hoops. I just need to geet some other things

taken care of so I can handle all their paper work and other requirements

Jan

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Bob Aragon wrote:

> I'd have to agree with Jan. I think marajuana isnt going to help the

> situation

> at all. This is very very scary for someone with this disease to

> contemplate.

> And in my opinion, Jan, you were supposed to get full SSDI long ago. Some

> times

> people fall through the cracks. I sure wish it hadnt been you. Love, Bobby

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 11:34:37 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> If he was receiving disability for cirrhosis in 2005, he must be toward the

> end of progression of the disease. I was turned down for disability after

> that date when I was in stage four and also had a number of other serious

> medical conditions. As to the marijuanna, some prescriptions meds are very

> bad for the liver even before the liver is damaged, so I am sure the

> marijuanna wouldn't helphis liver, might help with pain, but sounds like he

> just has an addictive behavior and just substituted one for another. You

> haven't said which way you want to go but since he tried to kill you and

> did

> kill your father I am taking it that you want him locked up for as long as

> possilbe. I am not aware what the sentencing guidelines are for insanity,

> Could you tell us more about his physical condition then and now. Before I

> was diagnosed, I stood in my kithchrn in AZ sure I was in my former home in

> MN, aLSO WENT looking for some oreos I believed we had just purchased a

> couple of days before and accused Ed of eating them all up and wouldn't

> believe we hadn't just bought them until he showed me the receipt for 2

> weeks before. Since my diagnosis and orders to cut down on protein, I

> haven't had any real trouble. That was more than 10 years ago Other

> people

> have been very careful and gone down hill much faster. So we can't say how

> long he will live. If his problem is cirrhosis and they commit him for

> bipolar, I am sure those meds won't make his cirrhosis improve.It is

> possible he has both. Remember, I am not a doctor just been living with

> this disease for quite a while now. For others it is different. Jan

>

> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Laurinda Cumming <

> laurinda.cumming@...> wrote:

>

> > Bobby,

> >

> > He has no previous criminal history to my knowledge, however does have

> > previous

> > violence including

> > acts of anger/temper, domestic, etc., previous arrests. I'm being told

> > these

> > arrests are too old, prior to 2003, murder

> > occurred in 2009. He definitely has a history. I met him in 2005, no

> > indication

> > of having any psychosis. No prior mental health

> > issues or treatment. Was receiving disability income for the cirrhosis.

> > What about illegal drugs like marijuana smoking added to having

> > Cirrhosis? No

> > prescribed meds taken.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Blessings,

> > Laurinda

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 4:52:30 PM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Yes. The answer is yes. Temporary insanity can be caused by cirrhosis.

> Gfr

> > stands for Glomerular filtration rate, and

> >

> > is the best overall index of kidney function.

> > The question is does the person have any other criminal history or prior

> > history

> >

> > of violence, etc.

> > Because there is no telling what he thought he was doing, or what he was

> > thinking when he did this.

> >

> > I once found my own loved one talking to me on the television remote

> > control

> > when I walked in to her room at the nursing home. Her cell phone was

> right

> > there

> >

> > on a necklace, within reach, but she was completely un aware, and thought

> > the

> > remote was the phone.

> > Love, Bobby

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 8:12:07 AM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Bobby,

> >

> > Thank you. My concern is the temporary insanity, can that really be

> caused

> > by Cirrhosis? What is GFR? Are there any other forms of testing? His

> > symptoms

> > in 2003 was severe ascites and edema, no jaundice or itching. He had

> > chronic

> > alcoholism from age 8 to 43. He does self induced daily vomiting, even

> > today.

> > Two days prior to the murder he was normal then the day before he

> starting

> > talking strange,etc.

> >

> > The attorneys want to claim guilty except insane because of " Bipolar " not

> > the

> > Cirrhosis.

> > Are these two often compared? This means he will be sent to the mental

> > hospital

> > and

> > have the potential of being released for cold blooded murder. At this

> point

> > this

> >

> > is my

> >

> > major concern as he also attempted to murder me at that same time. Just

> so

> > you

> > know

> > a little more the person he murdered was my 83 yr helpless father.

> >

> > Thank you again so much for all your information, I can't tell you how

> > helpful

> > it is and

> > how grateful I am.

> > Oh I forgot can daily smoking marijuana be harmful to someone with

> > Cirrhosis?

> > Can that cause

> >

> > further symptoms. I would assume it does. He replaced the alcohol with

> this

> > drug, he needed

> >

> > the daily high.

> >

> > God Bless,

> > Laurinda

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 7:05:42 PM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > A hepatologist, and sometimes a gastrointerologist. Certainly temporary

> > insanity

> >

> > which has been used frivolously should be considered if the person has no

> > other

> > criminal record, and if they do have biopsy confirmed cirrhosis. Love,

> > Bobby

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 8:09:22 AM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Thank you again for all of the information, I have received more in last

> 12

> > hours then

> > I have in 12 months. I have researched myself but not always sure what

> I'm

> > looking at

> > since this disease is new too me.

> > This link you just sent said " Agitation and mania can develop but are

> > uncommon "

> >

> > this is

> > why I get confused.

> > Can you please tell me what type of medical specialist deals with this

> > illness?

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 3:21:22 AM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Wet brain is also known as Wernike Korsikoff syndrome, and is NOT the

> same

> > as

> > portal systemic encephalopathy. The chart in the following article does

> > include

> > Anger, paranoia, or other bizarre behavior

> >

> > Please read this article for the best information. Love, Bobby

> >

> > http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec03/ch022/ch022g.html

> >

> > 0 (subclinical)

> >

> > Asymptomatic loss of cognitive abilities

> >

> > None

> >

> > 1

> >

> > Sleep disturbances

> >

> > Impaired concentration

> >

> > Depression, anxiety, or irritability

> >

> > Monotone voice

> >

> > Tremor

> >

> > Poor handwriting

> >

> > Constructional apraxia

> >

> > 2

> >

> > Drowsiness

> >

> > Disorientation

> >

> > Poor short-term memory

> >

> > Disinhibited behavior

> >

> > Ataxia

> >

> > Dysarthria

> >

> > Asterixis

> >

> > Automatisms (eg, yawning, blinking, sucking)

> >

> > 3

> >

> > Somnolence

> >

> > Confusion

> >

> > Amnesia

> >

> > Anger, paranoia, or other bizarre behavior

> >

> > Nystagmus

> >

> > Muscular rigidity

> >

> > Hyperreflexia or hyporeflexia

> >

> > 4

> >

> > Coma

> >

> > Dilated pupils

> >

> > Oculocephalic or oculovestibular reflexes

> >

> > Decerebrate posturing

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 10:53:46 PM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > Thank you, I have looked up " wet brain " , from my understanding it says

> > that a person becomes confused and slips into a coma, they don't

> violently

> > murder someone. Has anyone heard of someone killing another? I need all

> > the information I can find on the symptoms,etc of cirrhosis and hepatic

> > encephalopathy. What type of medical specialist deals with this illness?

> >

> > Thank you, this communication is wonderful, god bless

> > Laurinda

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 8:44:00 PM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Jackie thanks for the encouragement. To the lady who spoke about

> > Hepatatic Encephalopathy, My dad was an alcoholic, and one day he just

> > started

> > taking apart the house, pulling out nails, tearing off the walls in his

> own

> > little world. that was 1983. She had him committed, he wasnt drinking,

> but

> > his

> > ammonia levels were very high. He didnt even know she was there. But from

> > what

> > i have learned from the people on this forum and from watching my own

> > husbands

> > ammonia levels increase that he gets very tired and it can lead to longer

> > and

> > longer sleeping, lethargy etc. Why dont you google " wet brain " . I bet

> that

> > would give you some info. Just a thought. Bonnie

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:20:50 PM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > Hi Bonnie: We were just at the drs today and we saw the surgeon who

> > operated on

> > my husband. I was telling him about this forum and he said it's the best

> > place

> > to learn, from real live people. My husband got social security

> disability

> > after his open heart surgery in 2004. He had lost his job in Sept. of

> 2003

> > and

> > was getting unemployment. Ironically, his last unemployment check came

> the

> > day

> > before his open heart surgery. At that time he was 59 and I figured if he

> > applied for disability he would stand a good chance of getting it. Who

> > would

> > hire a 59 year old man with a host of health problems? It took awhile,

> and

> > thankfully, we had some savings we were living off of. Once he got his

> > disability it was retro-active from the date he became disabled. It

> sounds

> > like

> > your husband may get disability. I sure hope so. Maybe it will be

> > retro-active

> > like my husband's was. You will be ok. These things have a way of working

> > themselves out.

> > My husband is 65 now and it looks like we will be able to enjoy

> retirement.

> > He

> > got a good report from the surgeons today. His liver is functioning real

> > good

> > and they even decreased some of the meds. I'm keeping you and your

> husband

> > in

> > my prayers. Let me hear from you soon. Jackie

> >

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:00 PM

> >

> > Hi everyone, I am glad to find this group and unsure how to navigate it.

> > Hopefully u all can give me some insight. My husband was admitted to the

> > hospital for 4 days in July. He was told prior to this that he has

> > cirhossis

> > and Hepatitis C. His enzymes are up and down. His liver specialist said

> > that

> > even though he isnt drinking, they will fluctuate. His white cells and

> > platelets are very low. Too low for the interferon and ribo shots. He is

> > using lactulose for the ammonia levels. they were at 77 while in the

> > hospital

> > and 3 weeks ago his ammonia was 156. Last week they were at 66. He is so

> > tired all the time, he sleeps so much. His liver specialist said that a

> med

> > rate of 16 he would need a liver transplant. His med rate is 14. He has

> > applied for disability. What should I expect.? Hes had an ultrasound, all

> > of

> > the labs, and x rays. we are waiting on the results. In any case we were

> > very

> > stunned by the news that he is almost at the point of a liver transplant.

> > Can

> > someone tell me some of the symptoms, outcomes, prognosis (which i

> realize

> > is

> > different in each case) will he be tired like this all the time. He is 54

> > years

> > old. It doesnt seem like anything can be done, except control the side

> > effects,

> > like leg swelling and infection. any input would be appreciate. Thanks

> > Bonnie

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > To: livercirrhosissupport

> > Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 9:53:54 PM

> > Subject: Re: need to vent

> >

> > yes roller coater ride puts it mildly girl!!!!!

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > this will sound crazy so if you want to skip reading i wont mind.

> i

> > am

> > > > > > pissed, bobby glenns not been feeling well calling dr. tommorrow

> > want

> > > > scan

> > > > > > and labs done NOW not wait till nov. hes losing days by 2. he

> > forgets i

> > > > fed

> > > > > > him and skyler the grandson living with us, i found his empty

> glass

> > of

> > > > in

> > > > > > the frige instesd of the sink today. he thought it was friday our

> > > > > > grandaughters birthday but its sunday, we went to her party he

> > doesnt

> > > > > > remeber it. like i said i am pissed or call it scared what ever

> it

> > is i

> > > > am

> > > > > > it. my newest grandbaby conts. to do good then bad....to be

> > expected

> > > > for a

> > > > > > 25 week old baby i guess. i am tired a 4 year olsd is wearing me

> > out

> > > > ...hes

> > > > > > a boy and for some reason its different than the girls...hes in

> > time

> > > > out

> > > > > > right now....am i to hard on him...or is he to stubborn i dont

> > know.

> > > > the

> > > > > > tears rolling down my face says it all. i am tired but i have to

> > cont.

> > > > on i

> > > > > > have no choice in any of this. if i had my choice i would be at

> the

> > > > ocean

> > > > > > watching the waves lap the shore...eating at cock of the walk

> with

> > > > elsie and

> > > > > > roger...but i have no choice. i am here i am mad i am confused i

> am

> > > > > > ....??????? really makes me want a glass of wine, but i live to

> far

> > > > from

> > > > > > town and its sunday and i cant get any lol. whys life so messed

> > > > up...what

> > > > > > did i do to deserve all this crap???? should i walk away and tell

> > them

> > > > all

> > > > > > do it yourself??? should i just suck it up ,drink water and drive

> > on

> > > > soldier

> > > > > > ???? i know this is my life, for whatever reason these are the

> > cards

> > > > dealt

> > > > > > to me, and i will find away to stand. but right now i am pissy i

> am

> > sad

> > > > i

> > > > > > miss my life the way it was. i am sorry but if i told anyone in

> my

> > > > family

> > > > > > the way i feel they would blame me for enabling everyone. you all

> > and

> > > > > > elsie...aka mae mae are they only ones i have to vent to that

> dont

> > > > sugarcoat

> > > > > > the facts or blow smoke up my butt. i love you all and just

> needed

> > to

> > > > get

> > > > > > this off my chest cause i have been one angry chick all week

> cause

> > i

> > > > dont

> > > > > > know where these feelings are supposed to go. i am angry with the

> > sick

> > > > ones

> > > > > > the stupid ones and the ones who just dont give a crap. i wanna

> lay

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > sun with a glass of something...even water lol. in my hand

> soaking

> > up

> > > > the

> > > > > > rays, without a care in the world....but life wont let me. who

> > wouldnt

> > > > be

> > > > > > pissed. sorry if i have offended anyone...welcome to barbys world

> > its

> > > > me

> > > > > > against all of them.... when will it be my turn? i know that

> sounds

> > > > selfish

> > > > > > but i feel selfish right now. whats god...the universe trying to

> > tell

> > > > me?

> > > > > > well just spit it out already i will do what i need to but i am

> > tired

> > > > for

> > > > > > crying out loud!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport

> > > > > > web address:

> > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/

> > > > > >

August 30, 2010

Jan & Bobby,

Here's a new one I was asked today by the prosecutor " where does it say that

cirrhosis causes

violent murder behavior? "

I know it causes confusion, comas, disorientation, etc. have you heard of

anyoneÂ actually killingÂ another because of the illness or where can

IÂ find something in writing that refers to violent behavior?Â Can someone go

insane from cirrhosis?

Jan you asked what I wanted done, it's that he be locked up for his natural life

(forever), no chance of parole.Â They

the court system want to send to the mental hospital where he could stand the

chance of being released once they

determined he is restored mentally.Â They can't be serious, this man is not

mentally ill.

If it's not cirrhosis then how can someone go bipolar in just three days? I

realize you may not have the answer for this one.

Thank you for all your concern and help.

Many Blessings,

Laurinda

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 3:17:25 AM

Subject: Re: need to vent

Â

I'd have to agree with Jan. I think marajuana isnt going to help the situation

at all. This is very very scary for someone with this disease to contemplate.

And in my opinion, Jan, you were supposed to get full SSDI long ago. Some times

people fall through the cracks. I sure wish it hadnt been you. Love, Bobby

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 11:34:37 PM

Subject: Re: need to vent

If he was receiving disability for cirrhosis in 2005, he must be toward the

end of progression of the disease. I was turned down for disability after

that date when I was in stage four and also had a number of other serious

medical conditions. As to the marijuanna, some prescriptions meds are very

bad for the liver even before the liver is damaged, so I am sure the

marijuanna wouldn't helphis liver, might help with pain, but sounds like he

just has an addictive behavior and just substituted one for another. You

haven't said which way you want to go but since he tried to kill you and did

kill your father I am taking it that you want him locked up for as long as

possilbe. I am not aware what the sentencing guidelines are for insanity,

Could you tell us more about his physical condition then and now. Before I

was diagnosed, I stood in my kithchrn in AZ sure I was in my former home in

MN, aLSO WENT looking for some oreos I believed we had just purchased a

couple of days before and accused Ed of eating them all up and wouldn't

believe we hadn't just bought them until he showed me the receipt for 2

weeks before. Since my diagnosis and orders to cut down on protein, I

haven't had any real trouble. That was more than 10 years ago Other people

have been very careful and gone down hill much faster. So we can't say how

long he will live. If his problem is cirrhosis and they commit him for

bipolar, I am sure those meds won't make his cirrhosis improve.It is

possible he has both. Remember, I am not a doctor just been living with

this disease for quite a while now. For others it is different. Jan

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Laurinda Cumming <

laurinda.cumming@...> wrote:

> Bobby,

>

> He has no previous criminal history to my knowledge, however does have

> previous

> violence including

> acts of anger/temper, domestic, etc., previous arrests. I'm being told

> these

> arrests are too old, prior to 2003, murder

> occurred in 2009. He definitely has a history. I met him in 2005, no

> indication

> of having any psychosis. No prior mental health

> issues or treatment. Was receiving disability income for the cirrhosis.

> What about illegal drugs like marijuana smoking added to having

> Cirrhosis? No

> prescribed meds taken.

>

> Thanks again,

> Blessings,

> Laurinda

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 4:52:30 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Yes. The answer is yes. Temporary insanity can be caused by cirrhosis. Gfr

> stands for Glomerular filtration rate, and

>

> is the best overall index of kidney function.

> The question is does the person have any other criminal history or prior

> history

>

> of violence, etc.

> Because there is no telling what he thought he was doing, or what he was

> thinking when he did this.

>

> I once found my own loved one talking to me on the television remote

> control

> when I walked in to her room at the nursing home. Her cell phone was right

> there

>

> on a necklace, within reach, but she was completely un aware, and thought

> the

> remote was the phone.

> Love, Bobby

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 8:12:07 AM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Bobby,

>

> Thank you. My concern is the temporary insanity, can that really be caused

> by Cirrhosis? What is GFR? Are there any other forms of testing? His

> symptoms

> in 2003 was severe ascites and edema, no jaundice or itching. He had

> chronic

> alcoholism from age 8 to 43. He does self induced daily vomiting, even

> today.

> Two days prior to the murder he was normal then the day before he starting

> talking strange,etc.

>

> The attorneys want to claim guilty except insane because of " Bipolar " not

> the

> Cirrhosis.

> Are these two often compared? This means he will be sent to the mental

> hospital

> and

> have the potential of being released for cold blooded murder. At this point

> this

>

> is my

>

> major concern as he also attempted to murder me at that same time. Just so

> you

> know

> a little more the person he murdered was my 83 yr helpless father.

>

> Thank you again so much for all your information, I can't tell you how

> helpful

> it is and

> how grateful I am.

> Oh I forgot can daily smoking marijuana be harmful to someone with

> Cirrhosis?

> Can that cause

>

> further symptoms. I would assume it does. He replaced the alcohol with this

> drug, he needed

>

> the daily high.

>

> God Bless,

> Laurinda

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 7:05:42 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> A hepatologist, and sometimes a gastrointerologist. Certainly temporary

> insanity

>

> which has been used frivolously should be considered if the person has no

> other

> criminal record, and if they do have biopsy confirmed cirrhosis. Love,

> Bobby

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 8:09:22 AM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Thank you again for all of the information, I have received more in last 12

> hours then

> I have in 12 months. I have researched myself but not always sure what I'm

> looking at

> since this disease is new too me.

> This link you just sent said " Agitation and mania can develop but are

> uncommon "

>

> this is

> why I get confused.

> Can you please tell me what type of medical specialist deals with this

> illness?

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 3:21:22 AM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Wet brain is also known as Wernike Korsikoff syndrome, and is NOT the same

> as

> portal systemic encephalopathy. The chart in the following article does

> include

> Anger, paranoia, or other bizarre behavior

>

> Please read this article for the best information. Love, Bobby

>

> http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec03/ch022/ch022g.html

>

> 0 (subclinical)

>

> Asymptomatic loss of cognitive abilities

>

> None

>

> 1

>

> Sleep disturbances

>

> Impaired concentration

>

> Depression, anxiety, or irritability

>

> Monotone voice

>

> Tremor

>

> Poor handwriting

>

> Constructional apraxia

>

> 2

>

> Drowsiness

>

> Disorientation

>

> Poor short-term memory

>

> Disinhibited behavior

>

> Ataxia

>

> Dysarthria

>

> Asterixis

>

> Automatisms (eg, yawning, blinking, sucking)

>

> 3

>

> Somnolence

>

> Confusion

>

> Amnesia

>

> Anger, paranoia, or other bizarre behavior

>

> Nystagmus

>

> Muscular rigidity

>

> Hyperreflexia or hyporeflexia

>

> 4

>

> Coma

>

> Dilated pupils

>

> Oculocephalic or oculovestibular reflexes

>

> Decerebrate posturing

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 10:53:46 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Bonnie,

>

> Thank you, I have looked up " wet brain " , from my understanding it says

> that a person becomes confused and slips into a coma, they don't violently

> murder someone. Has anyone heard of someone killing another? I need all

> the information I can find on the symptoms,etc of cirrhosis and hepatic

> encephalopathy. What type of medical specialist deals with this illness?

>

> Thank you, this communication is wonderful, god bless

> Laurinda

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 8:44:00 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Jackie thanks for the encouragement. To the lady who spoke about

> Hepatatic Encephalopathy, My dad was an alcoholic, and one day he just

> started

> taking apart the house, pulling out nails, tearing off the walls in his own

> little world. that was 1983. She had him committed, he wasnt drinking, but

> his

> ammonia levels were very high. He didnt even know she was there. But from

> what

> i have learned from the people on this forum and from watching my own

> husbands

> ammonia levels increase that he gets very tired and it can lead to longer

> and

> longer sleeping, lethargy etc. Why dont you google " wet brain " . I bet that

> would give you some info. Just a thought. Bonnie

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:20:50 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> Hi Bonnie: We were just at the drs today and we saw the surgeon who

> operated on

> my husband. I was telling him about this forum and he said it's the best

> place

> to learn, from real live people. My husband got social security disability

> after his open heart surgery in 2004. He had lost his job in Sept. of 2003

> and

> was getting unemployment. Ironically, his last unemployment check came the

> day

> before his open heart surgery. At that time he was 59 and I figured if he

> applied for disability he would stand a good chance of getting it. Who

> would

> hire a 59 year old man with a host of health problems? It took awhile, and

> thankfully, we had some savings we were living off of. Once he got his

> disability it was retro-active from the date he became disabled. It sounds

> like

> your husband may get disability. I sure hope so. Maybe it will be

> retro-active

> like my husband's was. You will be ok. These things have a way of working

> themselves out.

> My husband is 65 now and it looks like we will be able to enjoy retirement.

> He

> got a good report from the surgeons today. His liver is functioning real

> good

> and they even decreased some of the meds. I'm keeping you and your husband

> in

> my prayers. Let me hear from you soon. Jackie

>

> Subject: Re: need to vent

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:00 PM

>

> Hi everyone, I am glad to find this group and unsure how to navigate it.

> Hopefully u all can give me some insight. My husband was admitted to the

> hospital for 4 days in July. He was told prior to this that he has

> cirhossis

> and Hepatitis C. His enzymes are up and down. His liver specialist said

> that

> even though he isnt drinking, they will fluctuate. His white cells and

> platelets are very low. Too low for the interferon and ribo shots. He is

> using lactulose for the ammonia levels. they were at 77 while in the

> hospital

> and 3 weeks ago his ammonia was 156. Last week they were at 66. He is so

> tired all the time, he sleeps so much. His liver specialist said that a med

> rate of 16 he would need a liver transplant. His med rate is 14. He has

> applied for disability. What should I expect.? Hes had an ultrasound, all

> of

> the labs, and x rays. we are waiting on the results. In any case we were

> very

> stunned by the news that he is almost at the point of a liver transplant.

> Can

> someone tell me some of the symptoms, outcomes, prognosis (which i realize

> is

> different in each case) will he be tired like this all the time. He is 54

> years

> old. It doesnt seem like anything can be done, except control the side

> effects,

> like leg swelling and infection. any input would be appreciate. Thanks

> Bonnie

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 9:53:54 PM

> Subject: Re: need to vent

>

> yes roller coater ride puts it mildly girl!!!!!

>

> > > >

> > > > > this will sound crazy so if you want to skip reading i wont mind. i

> am

> > > > > pissed, bobby glenns not been feeling well calling dr. tommorrow

> want

> > > scan

> > > > > and labs done NOW not wait till nov. hes losing days by 2. he

> forgets i

> > > fed

> > > > > him and skyler the grandson living with us, i found his empty glass

> of

> > > in

> > > > > the frige instesd of the sink today. he thought it was friday our

> > > > > grandaughters birthday but its sunday, we went to her party he

> doesnt

> > > > > remeber it. like i said i am pissed or call it scared what ever it

> is i

> > > am

> > > > > it. my newest grandbaby conts. to do good then bad....to be

> expected

> > > for a

> > > > > 25 week old baby i guess. i am tired a 4 year olsd is wearing me

> out

> > > ...hes

> > > > > a boy and for some reason its different than the girls...hes in

> time

> > > out

> > > > > right now....am i to hard on him...or is he to stubborn i dont

> know.

> > > the

> > > > > tears rolling down my face says it all. i am tired but i have to

> cont.

> > > on i

> > > > > have no choice in any of this. if i had my choice i would be at the

> > > ocean

> > > > > watching the waves lap the shore...eating at cock of the walk with

> > > elsie and

> > > > > roger...but i have no choice. i am here i am mad i am confused i am

> > > > > ....??????? really makes me want a glass of wine, but i live to far

> > > from

> > > > > town and its sunday and i cant get any lol. whys life so messed

> > > up...what

> > > > > did i do to deserve all this crap???? should i walk away and tell

> them

> > > all

> > > > > do it yourself??? should i just suck it up ,drink water and drive

> on

> > > soldier

> > > > > ???? i know this is my life, for whatever reason these are the

> cards

> > > dealt

> > > > > to me, and i will find away to stand. but right now i am pissy i am

> sad

> > > i

> > > > > miss my life the way it was. i am sorry but if i told anyone in my

> > > family

> > > > > the way i feel they would blame me for enabling everyone. you all

> and

> > > > > elsie...aka mae mae are they only ones i have to vent to that dont

> > > sugarcoat

> > > > > the facts or blow smoke up my butt. i love you all and just needed

> to

> > > get

> > > > > this off my chest cause i have been one angry chick all week cause

> i

> > > dont

> > > > > know where these feelings are supposed to go. i am angry with the

> sick

> > > ones

> > > > > the stupid ones and the ones who just dont give a crap. i wanna lay

> in

> > > the

> > > > > sun with a glass of something...even water lol. in my hand soaking

> up

> > > the

> > > > > rays, without a care in the world....but life wont let me. who

> wouldnt

> > > be

> > > > > pissed. sorry if i have offended anyone...welcome to barbys world

> its

> > > me

> > > > > against all of them.... when will it be my turn? i know that sounds

> > > selfish

> > > > > but i feel selfish right now. whats god...the universe trying to

> tell

> > > me?

> > > > > well just spit it out already i will do what i need to but i am

> tired

> > > for

> > > > > crying out loud!!

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > Group Email: livercirrhosissupport

> > > > > web address:

> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/

> > > > >

August 30, 2010

Here is a paper from the US government library. Maybe the answer you seek is in

here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2501102/pdf/postmedj00527-0031.pdf

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 3:34:03 PM

Subject: Re: need to vent

Jan & Bobby,

Here's a new one I was asked today by the prosecutor " where does it say that

cirrhosis causes

violent murder behavior? "

I know it causes confusion, comas, disorientation, etc. have you heard of

anyone actually killing another because of the illness or where can

I find something in writing that refers to violent behavior? Can someone go

insane from cirrhosis?

Jan you asked what I wanted done, it's that he be locked up for his natural life

(forever), no chance of parole. They

the court system want to send to the mental hospital where he could stand the

chance of being released once they

determined he is restored mentally. They can't be serious, this man is not