Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 My guess is you need a higher percentage of polysorbate 80. Sutton Subject: Blooming Bath Oil a little cloudy and I'm getting one very small layer developing > on the bottom of the bottle after about 24 hours of sitting. > > Blooming Bath Oil > 50% FCO > 11% sunflower seed oil > 10% rice bran oil > 10% poly 80 > 10% sorbitan oleate > 5% Fragrance > 1% aloe vera oil > 1% pistachio nut oil > 1% T-50 > .5% Liquipar Oil > .5% emester > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 What about Poly 20?? Just a thought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 > I've been trying to formulate a blooming bath oil that is clear and > doesn't separate into layers. Each rendition gets better but it's > still a little cloudy and I'm getting one very small layer developing > on the bottom of the bottle after about 24 hours of sitting. > > Blooming Bath Oil > 50% FCO > 11% sunflower seed oil > 10% rice bran oil > 10% poly 80 > 10% sorbitan oleate > 5% Fragrance > 1% aloe vera oil > 1% pistachio nut oil > 1% T-50 > .5% Liquipar Oil > .5% emester > > Does anyone have any suggestions for improving the blooming power, > decreasing the cloudiness and getting a stable mixture that doesn't > separate? Find out what the material on the bottom is. Do you get separation/cloudiness when you mix together just the oils? Does the fragrance mix with the oils OK? Have you tried with and without the poly 80, and sorbitan oleate, see if its either of these that are causing clouding/separation? You say its getting better each time, so what have you done different each time to get it better? Dave Eastham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 > When I first started this quest for a lovely clear, nicely blooming > bath oil I only used 10% emulsifiers. Then I moved on to 15% and I > ended up at 20%. Do you think I should try a higher percentage? > Thinking it might help, I added the .5% emester to increase the RHLB > of the oil mixture which did create a clear product (oils/emulsifiers)until the addition of fragrance (lavender EO) which caused it to cloud up again. Not familiar with emester? What is it? Dave Eastham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 >Not familiar with emester? What is it? C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 RE: Blooming Bath Oil :0) gizzywizzer@... I recived a bottle in a swap, my hubbie was giving me my nightly massage and grabbed it by mistake, well let me tell you, it was the best massage ive ever had. lol but its a Blooming Bath Oil! Here Ya Go! Not Mine, Came from a swap: Blooming Bath Oil! 1oz shea oil 1oz fractionated coconut oil 0.12oz sweet almond oil- or close 0.12oz grapeseed oil- or close 1oz polysorbate 80 1 TBL. T-50 2 tsp. Aquae Venus Fargrance EO Blend. Cost me a fortune to make but work it, This scent is killer! Aquae Venus Fragrance! 1 part neroli eo. 1 part ylang ylang eo. 2 parts bulgarian lavender eo. I tried useing FO's, it did not smell the same or even close! So use some sort of eo's or eo blend if you can. its a great bath oil, no tub ring either, but it makes a killer massage oil as well. HTH- :0) gizzywizzer@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Thanks ! Terri RE: Blooming Bath Oil > RE: Blooming Bath Oil > :0) > gizzywizzer@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 its a great bath oil, no tub ring either, but it makes a killer massage oil as well. HTH- :0) OK, after about an hours' search thru sites, would somebody want to tell me if anyone somewhere in the western half of the US has poly 80 for sale? Seems like chemicals are in short supply on the west coast-hint, hint ;0) Coral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 I got this from a SCC source... BLOOMING OR DISPERSIBLE BATH OILS: -Spontaneously emulsify when poured into bath -Emollient Oils (Mineral Oils, Vegetable Oils, Esters, Ethers) -Nonionic Surfactant (5-10%) (highest HLB oil soluble surfactant) -Perfume Oil -Water I also have more info on spreading and soluble bath oils. E-mail me if you'd like this, also. On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:31:36 EDT, nameismj wrote > What IS a blooming bath oil anyway? I've seen the term frequently, > but don't know what it means!! R. Gomez http://www.bubblescience.com Your Soap & Toiletry Store ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 >What IS a blooming bath oil anyway? from the message archives: >Dispersible or blooming bath oils > >Dispersible bath oils consist of emollient oils and perfume oils, and >contain a surfactant selected to emulsify the oils into the water >instead of making them spread on the surface. When poured into the bath >water, they bloom into a milky cloud. They are sometimes preferred to >the floating type because the oils are dispersed uniformly throughout >the bath water, providing through contact with the body during the >bath. When properly formulated, they leave very little oily slickness >or ring in the tub after the water is drained. > >The perfumes in such products are generally used at concentrations of >5% to 10%, although higher levels are sometimes used. In modern >formulating work, the emollient oils are likely to be mineral or >synthetic oils. Sulfonated vegetable oils have also been used, not only >to supply emollience, but also to contribute some dispersing action. >http://www.surfactants.net/formulary/uniqema/pcm7.html > > >Soluble Bath Oils > >Soluble bath oils are either anhydrous concentrates consisting of >perfume and surfactant or solubilized products consisting of perfume, >surfactant, and water. They are formulated as sparkling, clear >products. When added to bath water, they form clear dispersions. > >Soluble bath oils may contain between 5% to 20% perfume oil. >Solubilization of the perfume oil can usually be accomplished easily >and economically by means of a hydrophilic surfactant. >http://www.surfactants.net/formulary/uniqema/pcm8.html > > >Foaming Bath Oils > >Foaming bath oils (sometimes referred to as bubble baths) provide both >fragrance and foaming action. In addition to being luxury bath items, >these products serve the additional esthetic function of eliminating or >reducing the soap film that produces bathtub ring. > >Foaming bath oils are similar to the traditional soluble bath oils with >foam builders are: alkyl aryl sulfonates; sodium, potassium, ammonium >and alkanolamine lauryl sulfates; and sodium, ammonium and alkanolamine >ether sulfates. As foam stabilizers, alkanolamides of coconut fatty >acid or of lauric acid are commonly used. > >Thickeners and sequestrants are sometimes added as minor adjuncts. When >additional viscosity is desired, carboxymethyl cellulose, methyl >cellulose, and other gums are commonly added. The alkanolamines, when >used as foam stabilizers, will also raise viscosity. > >Foaming detergent bath products require warning labels. The caution >statement required by 21 CFR Part 740.17 is; " Caution--Use only as >directed. Extensive use or prolonged exposure may cause irritation to >skin and urinary tract. Discontinue use if rash, redness or itching >occurs. Consult your physician if irritation persists. Keep out of >reach of children " . > >Nonionic ethoxylates of alcohols have not been known for their foaming >ability, but ARLASOLVE 200 Liquid/Gel Isoceteth-20 has excellent >foaming ability which makes it a logical candidate for shampoos, >shaving creams and bubble baths. >http://www.surfactants.net/formulary/uniqema/pcm8.html > >------------------------- > >SPREADING BATH OILS > > >Composition and Function: > >Spreading or floating type bath oils form a film of perfume and >emollient oils on the surface of the bath water. Since the perfume is >on the surface, the fragrance is quite noticeable. As the bather >emerges from the bath water, a layer of perfume and emollient oils >adheres to the body, affording a pleasing fragrance and causing a >pleasant emollient feel on the skin. Because of their spreading action, >such bath oils can also be used by patting them on to wet skin after a >shower. > >They usually contain perfume oils at a level of 5% to 10% but may >contain as much as 20% or more. The vehicles may be vegetable or >mineral oils, liquid fatty alcohols, liquid fatty acids, or synthetic >fatty acid esters. Some of the most popular are mineral oils, oleyl >alcohol, ispropyl myristate and isopropyl palmitate. Emollients such as >lanolin and lanolin derivatives are frequently added. > >Formulation: > >A surfactant in a floating bath oil should act as a spreading agent for >the oil, eliminating the unattractive appearance of large individual >oil droplets on the water surface, and providing more uniform >deposition of the oil on the body. It may also function as an aid in >rinsing the oil from the bathtub. In some cases, it may increase the >solubility of the perfume oil in the vehicle. > >To formulate a spreading bath oil with optimum functionality, it is >necessary to consider the physicochemical requirements for spreading >emollient oil films. For best performance, the surfactant should >provide a positive spreading coefficient; that is, Spreading >Coefficient = Surface Tension of H20 - Surface Tension of oil - >interfacial Tension of water/oil. > >(S.C. = S.T.H20 - S.T.oil - S.T.oil/H20). > >72dynes/cm - 30dynes/cm - 0 > >As the magnitude of the spreading coefficient increases, the surface >area which a given amount of bath oil can cover increases. The >spreading velocity is directly proportional to the spreading >coefficient divided by the viscosity of the liquid on which the oil is >spread. Consequently, a high spreading coefficient is desirable in >formulating a bath oil. A value of approximately +45 appears to be >optimum. This can be obtained by using a very efficient surfactant and >an oil with a low surface tension. > >The HLB system of surfactant selection can be a useful guide in >choosing a surfactant for use in formulating a spreading bath oil. The >value of the spreading coefficient increases with increasing HLB. >Therefore, the surfactant chosen should have the highest HL consistent >with solubility of the surfactant in the oily vehicle. > >ARLATONE T PEG-40 Sorbitan Peroleate has proved to be a spreading agent >of unusually high efficiency with a variety of oily vehicles. It has an >HLB value of 9, and is soluble at levels up to 10% in vegetable oils, >isopropyl esters, oleic acid, and in some mineral oils. Not only does >ARLATONE T spread oil homogeneously over the water surface and deposit >a uniform emollient oil layer on the skin, but it also minimizes the >ring which forms when the tub is drained. It is effective at >concentrations as low as 1%, lower than that required with most >spreading agents. The effective concentration range for spreading is >about 1% to 3%. More than 3% causes the bath oil to emulsify. > >ARLAMOL E combines unique emollient qualities with the ability to >solubilize immiscible liquids or perfumes. Formula B-1 is an excellent >example of a basic spreading bath oil containing ARLAMOL E as the >emollient with ARLATONE T as the spreading agent. >http://www.surfactants.net/formulary/uniqema/pcm9.html Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 >I also have more info on spreading and soluble bath oils. E-mail me if you'd >like this, also. Please feel free to post the information here so everyone can benefit. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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