Re: How soon to eat after workout?

[Guest guest]

,

I thought the suggested food restriction was to achieve a max fat burn on

the HIIT cardio, so, I'll often have a meal shortly after completing my UBWO

or LBWO. I generally try to wait for the hour after my cardio, but, even

then, I'll sometimes give in and eat sooner.

I think my difficulty in holding down my weight has come from the larger

quantities and improper balance of nutrition, not so much the timing, but, I

am interested in other's experience, too.

Nearly 3 years & still learning,

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Holowko, CPA, CCP

PO Box 444

Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-0444

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Telephone:

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E-mailto:gholowko@...

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Remember... Progress, NOT perfection!

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From: bodyforlife [mailto:bodyforlife ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:23 AM

To: bodyforlife

Subject: How soon to eat after workout?

I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

[Guest guest]

If anyone is interested in the program I am following, for every calorie

" amount " the meals are broken down into so many grams each of carb and

protein........that way you can figure out how much of what to eat to get the

alloted grams. SO much easier than counting calories, etc. I am able to do

pretty good on it, tho since I am a carboholic, I reverse the carb and protein

ratios so I am taking in more protein.

Z.

How soon to eat after workout?

I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

[Guest guest]

If you want the results bill phillips promises then you need to follow

the program. I have for 23 days and already I have dramatic results.

Never has my body changed like this from any other program. But I also

have not strayed one bitExcept for my cheat day. I suggest that you

don't eat for an hour. Fill your belly with water, make yourself busy.

The challenge works if you don't taylor it Too Too much.

Janet

> ,

>

> I thought the suggested food restriction was to achieve a max fat burn

> on

> the HIIT cardio, so, I'll often have a meal shortly after completing my

> UBWO

> or LBWO. I generally try to wait for the hour after my cardio, but,

> even

> then, I'll sometimes give in and eat sooner.

>

> I think my difficulty in holding down my weight has come from the

> larger

> quantities and improper balance of nutrition, not so much the timing,

> but, I

> am interested in other's experience, too.

>

> Nearly 3 years & still learning,

>

>

>

> - - - - -

>

> Holowko, CPA, CCP

>

> PO Box 444

>

> Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-0444

>

> - - - - -

>

> Telephone:

>

> - - - - -

>

> E-mailto:gholowko@...

>

> - - - - -

>

> Remember... Progress, NOT perfection!

>

> - - - - -

>

> _____

>

> From: bodyforlife [mailto:bodyforlife ]

> On

> Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:23 AM

> To: bodyforlife

> Subject: How soon to eat after workout?

>

> I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

> after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

>

> Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

If you want to loose weight then wait an hour before eating. That is the BEST

way to burn fat, however if you want to keep your weight and increase muscle

mass, eat within the hour of working out.

Make sense?

Best,

-------------- Original message --------------

I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, sounds like everyone is doing somthing different, LOL.

(Whips out her bag of pennies and starts fligging them around.)

I workout at 4am. I wait an hour after HIIT before I have my first

meal to maximize the burn. I eat a liquid MRP with added glutamine

ASAP after lifting. (In my opinion an hour is way too long to wait

for this meal) Getting that meal in quickly starts the muscle

building process immediatly. An hour later I eat a whole food meal

(#2) of complex carbs and protein.

This is definitly something you should research. Nutrition is a very

important part of your overall plan in my opinion, and there are

circumstances where timing is everything.

Machelle

>

> Hello ,

>

> If you want to loose weight then wait an hour before eating. That

is the BEST way to burn fat, however if you want to keep your weight

and increase muscle mass, eat within the hour of working out.

>

> Make sense?

>

> Best,

>

>

>

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

> after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

>

> Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yep. There are times when I might eat a protein bar or shake WHILE doing

the upper or lower body workout. :-)

But, we are ALL different. (Much better than saying I'm strange!!!)

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Holowko, CPA, CCP

PO Box 444

Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-0444

- - - - -

Telephone:

- - - - -

E-mailto:gholowko@...

- - - - -

Remember... Progress, NOT perfection!

- - - - -

_____

From: bodyforlife [mailto:bodyforlife ] On

Behalf Of Machelle

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:45 PM

To: bodyforlife

Subject: Re: How soon to eat after workout?

Hmmm, sounds like everyone is doing somthing different, LOL.

(Whips out her bag of pennies and starts fligging them around.)

I workout at 4am. I wait an hour after HIIT before I have my first

meal to maximize the burn. I eat a liquid MRP with added glutamine

ASAP after lifting. (In my opinion an hour is way too long to wait

for this meal) Getting that meal in quickly starts the muscle

building process immediatly. An hour later I eat a whole food meal

(#2) of complex carbs and protein.

This is definitly something you should research. Nutrition is a very

important part of your overall plan in my opinion, and there are

circumstances where timing is everything.

Machelle

>

> Hello ,

>

> If you want to loose weight then wait an hour before eating. That

is the BEST way to burn fat, however if you want to keep your weight

and increase muscle mass, eat within the hour of working out.

>

> Make sense?

>

> Best,

>

>

>

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

> after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

>

> Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is not BFL, but depending on your overall fitness goals, a high

glycemic carb with some protein is good to eat within 30 minutes of

working out. This replenishes glycogen stores, giving you energy for

your next workout.

The same true if your goal is to build muscle more than lose fat.

Andy

>

> Hello ,

>

> If you want to loose weight then wait an hour before eating. That

is the BEST way to burn fat, however if you want to keep your weight

and increase muscle mass, eat within the hour of working out.

>

> Make sense?

>

> Best,

>

>

>

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> I know the BFL says to wait 1 hour, but im hungry sometimes 15 min

> after im done especially when i work out 1st ting in the am.

>

> Should i eat if im hungry or drink more water and wait it out??

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like what you are doing after lifting is right on target.

Andy

>

> Hmmm, sounds like everyone is doing somthing different, LOL.

>

> (Whips out her bag of pennies and starts fligging them around.)

>

> I workout at 4am. I wait an hour after HIIT before I have my first

> meal to maximize the burn. I eat a liquid MRP with added glutamine

> ASAP after lifting. (In my opinion an hour is way too long to wait

> for this meal) Getting that meal in quickly starts the muscle

> building process immediatly. An hour later I eat a whole food meal

> (#2) of complex carbs and protein.

>

> This is definitly something you should research. Nutrition is a

very

> important part of your overall plan in my opinion, and there are

> circumstances where timing is everything.

>

> Machelle

[Guest guest]

Agreed. Just do BFL as written for at least one challenge. Then, if

you aren't getting the results that you want, you can tinker with the

timing. Also, when you reach your weight goal, you can consider the

timing of the meals as well.

For myself, I feel post workout meal timing is very important in my

recovery for the next workout, but I am no longer following BFL

workouts and trying to lose a great deal of fat. When I had 20 lbs

to lose, it was more crucial to follow the program as written.

Andy

>

> Hi,

> I think one needs to make a distinction between fat burning cardio

and

> weight training when you talk about timing your feedings.With

latter you are

> right to do a quick mrp with whey and some carb ,a window of

opportunity...

> But BFL alludes to studies which seem to show that a fasted state

helps burn

> fat incl about an hour after before a feeding. MY GUT INSTINCTS say

just do

> it and dont worry about this timing stuff, eat your 6 meals every 2-

3 hours

> and enjoy the results regardless.

> Rich

[Guest guest]

Wow, this topic has stirred up a lot of opinions. I guess I'll

chime in with mine. I consider myself a BFLer for life. I have

done a couple of 12 week challenges, but now I'm in more or less a

fluctuating cycle between mass/strength building, fat loss/lean, or

maintenance. I try to have about 3 month cycles. Summer is fat

loss. Fall and spring are maintenance, and Winter (November -

January) is for mass building. I tailor my workouts to try to

achieve my goals.

With that said I still follow the BFL structure of 3 days lifting, 3

days cardio, 1 day of rest. I still eat 5-7 meals per day and I

still try to achieve a P/C/F balance in my meals both daily and by

the week. Those of you who've been around this board for a while

may remember that I keep detailed records of ALL (and I mean ALL) my

food consumption. I have been using Fitday software for 2.5 years

and it is a powerful weapon in my toolkit. I know a lot of people

don't think they could possibly keep track of everything the way I

do. But I've come to believe that for anyone who is not sure of

their progress that it is the way to go. I know EXACTLY how much of

every nutrient, both macro and micro, that I've taken into my body

since May of 2004. Believe me when I tell you that this knowledge

is immensely useful when it comes time to tweak my program.

Now I will also tell you that when I first started BFL I lost 13 lbs

over 6 months and I gained some muscle mass during the same time

frame. I had already lost 25 lbs before I ever heard of BFL -

mostly through portion control and walking every day. If I had been

following the BFL calorie calculator (from their website) I should

have been eating only 1968 calories per day. In fact I averaged

nearly 2600 calories per day! I was about 600 calories above the

recommended amount and I still made great strides. Now granted,

that was at the beginning of my program. Today I would not lose 13

lbs eating the same amount. But my point is that eating and eating

enough is IMPORTANT.

I don't know of any knowledgable fitness expert who promotes

extremely low caloric levels (based on either body mass or muscle

mass) in trying to achhieve our goals.

My suggestion is to use the BFL calculator as a guide. There are

other online calculators as well that can help. Let me use this

opportunity to remind people (first timers may not be aware of

this), but there is a remarkable website that delves deeply into the

science behind BFL (and training in general). It is one of the

links in this group. It is the Hussman site. Here is the link.

http://www.hussmanfitness.org/

I would urge anybody on BFL who has not read this in its entirety to

do so. It is VERY informative.

We must NOT let our caloric intake drop below our resting metabolic

rate (RMR). Also we must not consume more calories than we burn if

we want to lose fat. These are physical laws. The things we can

control are the food consumption and our own metabolism through

exercise of all kinds. Follow BFL to the letter and when you know

enough to tweak it feel free to do so. I can promise you that the

basic principles of BFL will hold up for a long long time, even if

some of the details may be challenged as new science comes along.

I for example do try (key word -try) to eat within an hour and a

half after every weight workout. This is over and above the

immediate post-workout concoction. For muscle gains, it is

important to FEED the muscles so that they do not go catabolic. We

want anabolic action in our muscles instead. Similarly after cardio

workouts there is a risk of catabolism, especially after intense

workouts like BFL or other HIIT exercise. With that in mind I also

supplement immediately after my cardio with small (never more than

100 calories) amounts of protein. We don't need very much. Leucine

is one of our bodies non-essential amino acids. It has been

discovered to act sort of like a switch between catabolic and

anabolic modes within our bodies. When intense exercise depletes

the leucine in our bloodstreams, muscle is more likely to be burned

for fuel. Most whey protein contains enough leucine in about half a

serving to make the switch from muscle catabolism to anabolic mode.

By supplementing small amounts of protein right after cardio it is

possible to turn that process around WITHOUT diminishing (by much)

the fat burning that we want to occur and that is so fundamental to

Bill's BFL approach to meal timing.

I've surely rambled here, but I hope that it may help some people

who are new to BFL.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Amen to that one!

-------------- Original message --------------

Wow, this topic has stirred up a lot of opinions. I guess I'll

chime in with mine. I consider myself a BFLer for life. I have

done a couple of 12 week challenges, but now I'm in more or less a

fluctuating cycle between mass/strength building, fat loss/lean, or

maintenance. I try to have about 3 month cycles. Summer is fat

loss. Fall and spring are maintenance, and Winter (November -

January) is for mass building. I tailor my workouts to try to

achieve my goals.

With that said I still follow the BFL structure of 3 days lifting, 3

days cardio, 1 day of rest. I still eat 5-7 meals per day and I

still try to achieve a P/C/F balance in my meals both daily and by

the week. Those of you who've been around this board for a while

may remember that I keep detailed records of ALL (and I mean ALL) my

food consumption. I have been using Fitday software for 2.5 years

and it is a powerful weapon in my toolkit. I know a lot of people

don't think they could possibly keep track of everything the way I

do. But I've come to believe that for anyone who is not sure of

their progress that it is the way to go. I know EXACTLY how much of

every nutrient, both macro and micro, that I've taken into my body

since May of 2004. Believe me when I tell you that this knowledge

is immensely useful when it comes time to tweak my program.

Now I will also tell you that when I first started BFL I lost 13 lbs

over 6 months and I gained some muscle mass during the same time

frame. I had already lost 25 lbs before I ever heard of BFL -

mostly through portion control and walking every day. If I had been

following the BFL calorie calculator (from their website) I should

have been eating only 1968 calories per day. In fact I averaged

nearly 2600 calories per day! I was about 600 calories above the

recommended amount and I still made great strides. Now granted,

that was at the beginning of my program. Today I would not lose 13

lbs eating the same amount. But my point is that eating and eating

enough is IMPORTANT.

I don't know of any knowledgable fitness expert who promotes

extremely low caloric levels (based on either body mass or muscle

mass) in trying to achhieve our goals.

My suggestion is to use the BFL calculator as a guide. There are

other online calculators as well that can help. Let me use this

opportunity to remind people (first timers may not be aware of

this), but there is a remarkable website that delves deeply into the

science behind BFL (and training in general). It is one of the

links in this group. It is the Hussman site. Here is the link.

http://www.hussmanfitness.org/

I would urge anybody on BFL who has not read this in its entirety to

do so. It is VERY informative.

We must NOT let our caloric intake drop below our resting metabolic

rate (RMR). Also we must not consume more calories than we burn if

we want to lose fat. These are physical laws. The things we can

control are the food consumption and our own metabolism through

exercise of all kinds. Follow BFL to the letter and when you know

enough to tweak it feel free to do so. I can promise you that the

basic principles of BFL will hold up for a long long time, even if

some of the details may be challenged as new science comes along.

I for example do try (key word -try) to eat within an hour and a

half after every weight workout. This is over and above the

immediate post-workout concoction. For muscle gains, it is

important to FEED the muscles so that they do not go catabolic. We

want anabolic action in our muscles instead. Similarly after cardio

workouts there is a risk of catabolism, especially after intense

workouts like BFL or other HIIT exercise. With that in mind I also

supplement immediately after my cardio with small (never more than

100 calories) amounts of protein. We don't need very much. Leucine

is one of our bodies non-essential amino acids. It has been

discovered to act sort of like a switch between catabolic and

anabolic modes within our bodies. When intense exercise depletes

the leucine in our bloodstreams, muscle is more likely to be burned

for fuel. Most whey protein contains enough leucine in about half a

serving to make the switch from muscle catabolism to anabolic mode.

By supplementing small amounts of protein right after cardio it is

possible to turn that process around WITHOUT diminishing (by much)

the fat burning that we want to occur and that is so fundamental to

Bill's BFL approach to meal timing.

I've surely rambled here, but I hope that it may help some people

who are new to BFL.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

This was a great response: packed with valuable information and very

educational.

It is helpful to some of us " old " to BFL'ers, too.

Thank you,

- - - - -

Holowko, CPA, CCP

PO Box 444

Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-0444

- - - - -

Telephone:

- - - - -

E-mailto:gholowko@...

- - - - -

Remember... Progress, NOT perfection!

- - - - -

_____

From: bodyforlife [mailto:bodyforlife ] On

Behalf Of bgarlock49

Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:56 AM

To: bodyforlife

Subject: Re: How soon to eat after workout?

Wow, this topic has stirred up a lot of opinions. I guess I'll

chime in with mine. I consider myself a BFLer for life. I have

done a couple of 12 week challenges, but now I'm in more or less a

fluctuating cycle between mass/strength building, fat loss/lean, or

maintenance. I try to have about 3 month cycles. Summer is fat

loss. Fall and spring are maintenance, and Winter (November -

January) is for mass building. I tailor my workouts to try to

achieve my goals.

With that said I still follow the BFL structure of 3 days lifting, 3

days cardio, 1 day of rest. I still eat 5-7 meals per day and I

still try to achieve a P/C/F balance in my meals both daily and by

the week. Those of you who've been around this board for a while

may remember that I keep detailed records of ALL (and I mean ALL) my

food consumption. I have been using Fitday software for 2.5 years

and it is a powerful weapon in my toolkit. I know a lot of people

don't think they could possibly keep track of everything the way I

do. But I've come to believe that for anyone who is not sure of

their progress that it is the way to go. I know EXACTLY how much of

every nutrient, both macro and micro, that I've taken into my body

since May of 2004. Believe me when I tell you that this knowledge

is immensely useful when it comes time to tweak my program.

Now I will also tell you that when I first started BFL I lost 13 lbs

over 6 months and I gained some muscle mass during the same time

frame. I had already lost 25 lbs before I ever heard of BFL -

mostly through portion control and walking every day. If I had been

following the BFL calorie calculator (from their website) I should

have been eating only 1968 calories per day. In fact I averaged

nearly 2600 calories per day! I was about 600 calories above the

recommended amount and I still made great strides. Now granted,

that was at the beginning of my program. Today I would not lose 13

lbs eating the same amount. But my point is that eating and eating

enough is IMPORTANT.

I don't know of any knowledgable fitness expert who promotes

extremely low caloric levels (based on either body mass or muscle

mass) in trying to achhieve our goals.

My suggestion is to use the BFL calculator as a guide. There are

other online calculators as well that can help. Let me use this

opportunity to remind people (first timers may not be aware of

this), but there is a remarkable website that delves deeply into the

science behind BFL (and training in general). It is one of the

links in this group. It is the Hussman site. Here is the link.

http://www.hussmanf <http://www.hussmanfitness.org/> itness.org/

I would urge anybody on BFL who has not read this in its entirety to

do so. It is VERY informative.

We must NOT let our caloric intake drop below our resting metabolic

rate (RMR). Also we must not consume more calories than we burn if

we want to lose fat. These are physical laws. The things we can

control are the food consumption and our own metabolism through

exercise of all kinds. Follow BFL to the letter and when you know

enough to tweak it feel free to do so. I can promise you that the

basic principles of BFL will hold up for a long long time, even if

some of the details may be challenged as new science comes along.

I for example do try (key word -try) to eat within an hour and a

half after every weight workout. This is over and above the

immediate post-workout concoction. For muscle gains, it is

important to FEED the muscles so that they do not go catabolic. We

want anabolic action in our muscles instead. Similarly after cardio

workouts there is a risk of catabolism, especially after intense

workouts like BFL or other HIIT exercise. With that in mind I also

supplement immediately after my cardio with small (never more than

100 calories) amounts of protein. We don't need very much. Leucine

is one of our bodies non-essential amino acids. It has been

discovered to act sort of like a switch between catabolic and

anabolic modes within our bodies. When intense exercise depletes

the leucine in our bloodstreams, muscle is more likely to be burned

for fuel. Most whey protein contains enough leucine in about half a

serving to make the switch from muscle catabolism to anabolic mode.

By supplementing small amounts of protein right after cardio it is

possible to turn that process around WITHOUT diminishing (by much)

the fat burning that we want to occur and that is so fundamental to

Bill's BFL approach to meal timing.

I've surely rambled here, but I hope that it may help some people

who are new to BFL.

Bruce